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PhDreamer
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 Posted - 01/29/2002 : 20:54:02
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Who the hell is the International Bible Society?
http://msnbc.com/news/695508.asp?0dm=C239N
“This is incredibly serious to evangelicals, how the Bible is translated,” Stinson said. “We believe the Bible is the word of God, so changing these things deliberately is dangerous.”
Ahem, we believe one of these bibles is the Word of God...
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Zandermann
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 01/29/2002 : 21:00:21 [Permalink]
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...caught some of this on the news tonight on NPR...is there anyone here who feels this is necessary or even advantageous? Or is this the wrong group to be asking?
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Garrette
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Posted - 01/30/2002 : 04:29:38 [Permalink]
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Standing outside the ruckus the idea of removing gender references strikes me, as it has others, as another indication (read proof) that the whole work is solely the work of humans without divine intervention.
Yet I expect that for those standing inside the circle, it is merely an indication of the 'wonderful adaptability' of the word of god.
Further, for those religious types standing on opposite sides of the 'revise-or-not-revise' fence, it will probably serve only to entrench them more firmly into their ideologies and their ideas that the other guy is wrong.
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Marc_a_b
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 01/30/2002 : 05:41:20 [Permalink]
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to quote my own post on another message board:
What next? Change the teachings of the KKK to race/religion neutral?
So how will they handle where female slaves are worth half as much as male slaves? David + Solomon and their many, many wives and concubines? Lot offering a rape gang his daughters? How women are not allowed to speak in church/temple, and must recieve all instruction from their man?
hmm... Leviticus 19:20 And whosoever lieth carnally with a woman, that is a bondmaid, betrothed to an husband, and not at all redeemed, nor freedom given her; she shall be scourged; they shall not be put to death, because she was not free. The guy gets to go free.
Oh yea, and the taking of virgin girls as spoils of war. How are they going to handle that?
This new 'bible' might be very amusing in seeing just how they make a sexist document 'inclusive'.
In a way I agree with the fundamentalists. People say this book is the word of god. If you start changing it then you are not following the 'word of god' anymore. So do the people doing the changes think the bible is not the word of god, or do they think it is but they can do better than god?
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Dr Shari
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Posted - 01/30/2002 : 06:56:58 [Permalink]
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Society and religion always has been and always will be gender biased. Back in the 60's they thought they could keep us hippies interested in God by changing the King James Version into a Bible with modern phrases. With all the PC directives now days for even me this is going a little too far.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 01/30/2002 : 07:12:45 [Permalink]
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Christianity will survive. I don't think that any other belief system is more versitile.
From what I've read, the Bible has been revised countless times. Even whole books have been added and removed.
As flotsom follows the tide, so will goseples follow their believers, albit a bit more slowely.
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Slater
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Posted - 01/30/2002 : 10:45:53 [Permalink]
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If they are going to go PC then let's go all the way.
Let's change the part where Sodom gets nuked into Lot and his three Angels open a Techno Disco called the "Pillar of Salt."
"For the sake of three good men," he lisped," I shall spare you, gaaa."
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Garrette
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Posted - 01/30/2002 : 11:22:03 [Permalink]
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Back in the 60's they thought they could keep us hippies interested in God by changing the King James Version into a Bible with modern phrases.
Next you're going to say that "Godspell" didn't convince you, either. Or "Jesus Christ Superstar," which at least has some rockin' good tunes.
My view of this gender-fixing of the bible mirrors my view of one religion's tolerance of another.
Supporters of this tweaking of the bible are demonstrating the inherent fallacy of their belief, sometimes they even acknowledge it, yet they persist in that belief.
Likewise, believers of one type commonly accept the beliefs of another as just as legitimate as their own, yet they persist in telling themselves that their belief is the correct one.
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 01/30/2002 : 11:46:49 [Permalink]
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I've watched JCS over and over. I love it, but I always leave thinking that it's a really, really, for sure really dumb story. Does anyone really believe this stuff?  quote:
Or "Jesus Christ Superstar," which at least has some rockin' good tunes.
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Garrette
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Posted - 01/30/2002 : 11:55:02 [Permalink]
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I've watched JCS over and over. I love it, but I always leave thinking that it's a really, really, for sure really dumb story. Does anyone really believe this stuff?
Used to; guilty as charged.
More than that: I've played the lead in Godspell on stage and have sung the painfully beautiful song "Gethsemane" from JCS in recital. And this was AFTER my turn to atheism. (It's not all bad; I've done Pirates of Penzance, too, among others).
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Slater
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USA
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Posted - 01/30/2002 : 13:02:06 [Permalink]
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I've done Pirates of Penzance, too, among others).
"I am the very model of a modern evangelical sk-ep-t-ic"
Stuff and bother, it doesn't quite work.
But back to gender-fixing. The subservient role of women was not part of the northern and western European culture until Christianity imposed it. It's something you would only find in the Near East / Greece. It is ridiculous to say it the bible doesn't reflect this attitude when it is the very source of this nonsense.
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Garrette
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Posted - 01/30/2002 : 13:14:18 [Permalink]
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But back to gender-fixing. The subservient role of women was not part of the northern and western European culture until Christianity imposed it. It's something you would only find in the Near East / Greece. It is ridiculous to say it the bible doesn't reflect this attitude when it is the very source of this nonsense.
Another flaw in the faith that is so wretchedly obvious it is easy for the believers to ignore.
I see more and more how faith in general and christianity in particular have become cafeteria plans. Don't like the complete kosher thing? Just skip the part about separating the dishes. Tired of sexism? We'll just rewrite that bit. Having doubts about papal infallibility? Well, okay, but don't say it out loud and please still kiss the ring.
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steinhenge
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 01/30/2002 : 14:52:29 [Permalink]
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I've played the lead in Godspell on stage and have sung the painfully beautiful song "Gethsemane" from JCS in recital. And this was AFTER my turn to atheism. (It's not all bad; I've done Pirates of Penzance, too, among others).
Hey, a handfull of years back I performed in "Children of Eden", a musical by the same person (people, can't remember)that did "Godspell". Surprisingly good music. Even though I'm an Athiest I didn't find the experience unduly uncomfortable.
I used to do a regular church gig (musician) for a place across the street from NASA. Had a great relationship with the music director there, and he convinced me to stick around alot longer than I would have otherwise.
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Garrette
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Posted - 01/31/2002 : 04:00:54 [Permalink]
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Hey, a handfull of years back I performed in "Children of Eden", a musical by the same person (people, can't remember)that did "Godspell". Surprisingly good music. Even though I'm an Athiest I didn't find the experience unduly uncomfortable.
I used to do a regular church gig (musician) for a place across the street from NASA. Had a great relationship with the music director there, and he convinced me to stick around alot longer than I would have otherwise.
I am not alone!!
My mother has been the organist at her church for longer than I've been alive. When they have no one else to fill in or when she simply wants me around, she'll ask me to help out the choir for a special mass or cantor (solo singer up front) when there is no choir. I like music, and there's lots of gorgeous music from the church, so I usually comply.
I usually help out with caroling during the holidays, too.
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
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Posted - 01/31/2002 : 20:54:20 [Permalink]
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I've done Pirates of Penzance, too, among others).
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"I am the very model of a modern evangelical sk-ep-t-ic"
Stuff and bother, it doesn't quite work.
When I can hold the bible up to skeptical analysis
When I can tell the big bang from a tale that's told in Genesis
When I know that abduction is more likely sleep paralysis
And I can tell from evidence what's real from tests and common sense
When I can tell a theory from what's simply hypothetical
When I can tell a scam from something worthy and more practical
When I know that a future can't be foretold astrological
And I can tell a Nessy from a log, a boat or macaral
In short in matters animal or vegetable or mineral
I am the very model of a skeptic evangelical
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steinhenge
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 02/01/2002 : 02:44:33 [Permalink]
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When I can hold the bible up to skeptical analysis
When I can tell the big bang from a tale that's told in Genesis
When I know that abduction is more likely sleep paralysis
And I can tell from evidence what's real from tests and common sense
When I can tell a theory from what's simply hypothetical
When I can tell a scam from something worthy and more practical
When I know that a future can't be foretold astrological
And I can tell a Nessy from a log, a boat or macaral
In short in matters animal or vegetable or mineral
I am the very model of a skeptic evangelical
My god that's one of the funniest things I've ever seen.
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...she'll ask me to help out the choir....
I love a good choir. One of my favorite music experiences was performing with a church choir (roughly 30 people or so). I'm a bass player, and I performed as part of a bass, drum and guitar rhythm section. Much like performing with a Big Band, playing in a rhythm section for a good sized choir produces a wall of sound that makes you feel like you're driving a tank. It rocks.
I actually had a great time at that church (Gloria Dei Lutheran for those keeping score at home). As I said, I had a great relationship with the musical director, and the drummer and guitar players are the guys in my own band. We usually played fairly hip (musically, anyway) christian pop tunes. Took me a long time to finally refuse gigs there. I started feeling more and more hypocritical with every performance. I just hated the idea that kids at the services might be taking my performance as more than just a job. My feeling was that unless I had a sign on my face reading "ATHIEST" or something that my presence there was a lie.
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