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Lisa
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USA
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 Posted - 03/18/2002 : 22:37:22
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Anyone catch Dr. Plait on PAX TV the other night? The show was mentioned over on the BA page so I made of point of finding the channel.
That Kaysing and Sibrel are something else, what? I think if I was trying to argue a position, and my "facts" were constantly disproven, debunked, and trashed, I'd get some new material. I couldn't believe Kaysing dragged out the old chestnut "you can't see any stars in the pictures".
The show was almost funny to watch. As a matter of fact, my husband and I made up a new game after the first interview. It's called "Spot the Fallacy". Whoever debunks the idiotic statement first, wins. (That would be me)
Lisa
If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much room.
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Chippewa
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USA
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Posted - 03/19/2002 : 00:41:38 [Permalink]
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Anyone catch Dr. Plait on PAX TV the other night?
Yeah. Mentioned some thoughts about this show on the BA website moon hoax section (under the title: "PAX TV") but the discussion there just swept back to engine exhaust problems and other (yawn) stuff. Kaysing - ugh! What a goofball. The new idea from him (to me) was when he stated that film director Stanley Kubrick was involved in a conspiracy! HA! (How about George Pal? He had big bright stars in the sky in his classic 1950 film "Destination Moon".)
I thought that Phil eventually got some good, logical rebuffs out. But I also noticed that this show, being an "entertainment" rather than a real documentary or news program, was not edited to settle the mater. The producers would no doubt say that they were presenting both sides fairly, but that's just smoke screen. The real purpose is to sell advertising and keep the "mystery" going for entertainment value rather than information value.
On the BA website I mentioned that PBS's "Nova" did a great program debunking the "Bermuda Triangle" myth - and that myth has fizzled away in recent years. If the moon hoax myth were to unfortunately grow strong enough with the public, maybe something similar to what Nova did could be done. i.e. - A real science program debunking Kaysing and company. - Chip
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James
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USA
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Posted - 03/19/2002 : 06:20:04 [Permalink]
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Anyone catch Dr. Plait on PAX TV the other night?
Yep, I saw it. Basically, PAX TV got thier facts wrong as far as Kaysing is concerned. He was a glorified librarian, not an engineer. Dude should be pumped full of drugs(if he isn't already) and shoved into nursing home for the rest of his life.
Sibrel needs to get a life, IMO.
With the NOVA show, I'd say that they definitely have to answer at least one question: If we did fake it, why didn't anyone, let alone the Soviets, call us on it? If an HB can answer that with a plausible, realistic-type answer, then maybe I'll think about it. Maybe. 
"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your common sense." -Buddha |
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The Rat
SFN Regular
Canada
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Posted - 03/21/2002 : 18:01:12 [Permalink]
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[quote]Sibrel needs to get a life, IMO.[/quote]
He's got one. It involves touring around on someone else's money giving 'lectures', 'seminars', appearing on television, and writing books that people actually buy because they believe them.
His life is, unfortunately, all too real.
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Lisa
SFN Regular
USA
1223 Posts |
Posted - 03/21/2002 : 23:21:14 [Permalink]
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You know, I can remember most of the stuff Kaysing said, even though it was bullshit. When Sibrel was talking, I couldn't keep my mind on what he was saying. Does that guy wear makeup? All the time Sibrel was yammering, I was thinking "wow, that shade of lipstick would look okay on me, but his coloring is much too light..."
Back to the program, didn't you just love the remark by Kaysing that nothing, no evidence whatsoever could change his mind? Real scientific outlook there, huh?
Lisa
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Starman
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Sweden
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Posted - 03/22/2002 : 05:46:41 [Permalink]
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[quote]I think if I was trying to argue a position, and my "facts" were constantly disproven, debunked, and trashed, I'd get some new material. I couldn't believe Kaysing dragged out the old chestnut "you can't see any stars in the pictures".[/quote]
Conspiranuts use disproven and debunked material to sell their garbage to the uninitiated. The arguments can still sound convincing to these persons and if they start to buy the conspiracy they are less likely to be interested in facts contradicting their delusions.
A new book and video consumer is made.
See:
http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/postmonth/feb02.html
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The Rat
SFN Regular
Canada
1370 Posts |
Posted - 03/22/2002 : 05:48:36 [Permalink]
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Back to the program, didn't you just love the remark by Kaysing that nothing, no evidence whatsoever could change his mind? Real scientific outlook there, huh?
Lisa
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This part I can actuually understand, because no amount of evidence will convince me that either of these people are anything other than liars who know perfectly well that the Apollo program <i>did</i> occur. They are the type who get some sort of deep emotional satisfaction, bordering on sexual fetish, of purposely disparaging the hard work of others, in order to destroy them and gain notoriety for themselves.
I have not one shred of personal or professional respect for the pair of them. If they dropped dead at my feet I wouldn't even bother to look down.
Bailey's second law; There is no relationship between the three virtues of intelligence, education, and wisdom. |
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Starman
SFN Regular
Sweden
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Posted - 03/22/2002 : 06:01:52 [Permalink]
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Back to the program, didn't you just love the remark by Kaysing that nothing, no evidence whatsoever could change his mind? Real scientific outlook there, huh?
Lisa
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Where's the money in that?
How many "I was a conspiracy nut" biographies can one sell?
"God-as revealed in his book of edicts and narratives is practically an idiot. He has nothing to say that any sensible person should want to listen to."
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