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Posted - 07/16/2008 : 11:08:14 [Permalink]
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| Bet her husband is in the doghouse for a while, or worse... |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 07/16/2008 : 12:18:44 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by H. Humbert
filthy, I appreciate your sentiments but Melonie Kroll has no chance of getting her job back. 1-800-FLOWERS had to distance themselves from this death threat as quickly as possible for legal reasons or they could potentially be held criminally liable. Firing her was their only option. And for most companies, the fact that she allowed someone else access to her email account is alone a firing offense, death threats or not. So no, she's not getting her old job back, but we can hope she lands on her feet someplace else. Who knows? Perhaps she'll find a better job than the one she lost. God does work in mysterious ways...
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I am well aware of this, Double H, but I could not let the matter rest without trying. 'Tis the curse of conscience.
Edit: I just got a response that wasn't anything more than a form letter telling me to go to customer complaints. Ah well.... I tried. P'raps I'll try again, this time going a little higher. Gotta think about it.
Hey Kil, betcha the oaf wishes he was in the doghouse! Things would be a lot quieter there.....
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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
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pleco
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Posted - 07/16/2008 : 13:22:50 [Permalink]
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Now on fark.com
Comments should be interesting... |
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Dave W.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 07/17/2008 : 03:23:58 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
The Irish-Catholic sense of proportion. Thomas Foley needs to "personally encounter" the KKK or radical fundamentalism to see real bigotry.
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As it happens, I am acquainted with both in the same persons and can hook him up. Voicing his concerns about Myers, Foley said: "What I think he has done, he's loaded a cyberpistol and he's cocked it and he's left it on the table. He may have set something in motion that no one can stop. It was irresponsible, a hell of a thing to do."
Foley explained that he thought Myers should not be able to incite such acts with "impunity," saying that he was especially disturbed by the comments posted on Myers' blog. He said it was "eye-opening" to read the people who supported Myers' action. Even at his age of 63, Foley said, he had never "personally encountered such bigotry."
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Led a sheltered life, has our Mr. Foley. He should never again take off his rose-tinted spectacles lest he see something even more distressing. This, fer 'xample: 
Perhaps PZ did indeed produce a cyberpistol, whatever that might be. One hopes that it could cause the fundie theists of all stripes to be a little more circumspect in their dealings with others.
I found the comments on fark very interesting.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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Dave W.
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filthy
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 Posted - 07/18/2008 : 15:22:04 [Permalink]
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BILL DONOHUE CAN HAS JEBUS CRACKER?
NO! CAN NOT HAS JEBUS CRACKER!
BILL DONOHUE ALREADY AM JEBUS CRACKER.
DEF-E-CATE, DEF-E-CATE, DEF-E-CATE!
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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Dave W.
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Posted - 07/20/2008 : 15:09:34 [Permalink]
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So PZ is still planning the wafer stunt, with a Koran thrown in for good measure. Down in the comments, we get this from him, responding to commenter Andy:you want to actually treat a copy of the Koran with disprespect? That should lead to quite a larger number of death threats, which will surely be more serious than the ones you received from catholics. People keep saying that. It's baloney. I have received a torrent of threats to my life and my livelihood from Catholics, and the impression they're making is that they are just as fanatical and dangerous as Muslims. I'm more worried about the Catholics, because there is one major difference: the media, the police, the government in general in the United States will be more sympathetic to Christian terrorism than they will be to Muslim terrorism.
Don't be misled. Bill Donohue is just another hate-mongering extortionist mullah, no different than the ones in the Middle East.
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chaloobi
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Posted - 07/21/2008 : 05:42:09 [Permalink]
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From the article:
| UCF announced Wednesday that it had dismissed the complaint Cook filed against the Catholic Campus Ministry, which sponsors a weekly service in the Student Union. Cook had alleged personal abuse, hazing and alcohol-policy violations, claiming he was grabbed and that the sacramental wine offered during the service should not have been allowed. School officials didn't find enough evidence to pursue his complaint. |
I didn't think that would get far.
This article in general doesn't paint a very good picture of Cook. He was brought up Roman Catholic but claims he didn't realize he was supposed to eat the Communion? Yeah, right.  IMHO, there's enough nasty shit going on around the world these days without some ding dong college student stirring up the faithful with stunts like this. It's hard to be sympathetic to him at all. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 07/21/2008 : 07:35:13 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by chaloobi
From the article:
| UCF announced Wednesday that it had dismissed the complaint Cook filed against the Catholic Campus Ministry, which sponsors a weekly service in the Student Union. Cook had alleged personal abuse, hazing and alcohol-policy violations, claiming he was grabbed and that the sacramental wine offered during the service should not have been allowed. School officials didn't find enough evidence to pursue his complaint. |
I didn't think that would get far.
This article in general doesn't paint a very good picture of Cook. He was brought up Roman Catholic but claims he didn't realize he was supposed to eat the Communion? Yeah, right. IMHO, there's enough nasty shit going on around the world these days without some ding dong college student stirring up the faithful with stunts like this. It's hard to be sympathetic to him at all.
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Thanks to the Catholic snivvlers going from snivvle mode to squealing like stuck hogs about it, and the various atheist reactions including mine/ours, Mr. Cook is no longer relevant. If I've heard correctly, he has been disciplined by the school & the dipshit, little chapter of his church, and thus, can get on with his life. More or less.
PZ gets to raise those blessed blood pressures now.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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Dave W.
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Posted - 07/21/2008 : 11:25:16 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by chaloobi
He was brought up Roman Catholic but claims he didn't realize he was supposed to eat the Communion? Yeah, right. |
Far too much generalizing. Go read a bunch of the 13,000+ comments on this subject over at Pharyngula, and you'll find that some Catholics take the Host back to the pews and spend minutes feverishly praying over it before consuming it. What Cook says he didn't realize was that he was supposed to immediately eat it. Different individual RCC churches will have different styles. The take-away message from the Cook affair is that in UCF's Student Union, the style of worship is more important than the rules Jesus laid out.| It's hard to be sympathetic to him at all. |
As filthy says, Cook isn't the issue. It's the raging hypocrisy that some of the same people who claim that it's impossible to live a moral life without God are refusing to rebuke their fellow Catholics who seem incapable of acting with love and forgiveness towards Cook (and PZ). Cook was merely the catalyst that turned the murky waters clear, for all to see the double standard. |
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 07/21/2008 : 13:44:30 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by chaloobi
IMHO, there's enough nasty shit going on around the world these days without some ding dong college student stirring up the faithful with stunts like this. It's hard to be sympathetic to him at all.
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There's enough nasty shit going on around the world these days to make stealing a cracker worthy of no more than a yawn. It's hard to be sympathetic to an organization that doesn't pay taxes yet receives federal money, protects pedophiles, discriminates against unwed mothers and gays, and generally spreads ignorant nonsense. I think all churches should be dismantled brick-by-brick, the clergy hung from their own entrails, and their relics scattered to dogs. Because let's be honest, the Catholic Church got where they are today by playing hard ball and playing to win, by torturing heretics and burning young women alive. They set the standard. They made the rules. So to put this offense in perspective, it's not even remotely close to the payback they earned. (Consider the Overton window moved.)
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chaloobi
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Posted - 07/22/2008 : 05:46:54 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by chaloobi
He was brought up Roman Catholic but claims he didn't realize he was supposed to eat the Communion? Yeah, right. |
Far too much generalizing. Go read a bunch of the 13,000+ comments on this subject over at Pharyngula, and you'll find that some Catholics take the Host back to the pews and spend minutes feverishly praying over it before consuming it. What Cook says he didn't realize was that he was supposed to immediately eat it. Different individual RCC churches will have different styles. The take-away message from the Cook affair is that in UCF's Student Union, the style of worship is more important than the rules Jesus laid out. |
I've been attending Catholic Mass off and on for 35 years and I've NEVER seen anyone take the communion wafer back to their pew and pray over it. Now, I've never attended a church outside South Eastern Michigan, but Catholics are notorious for their homogeneity. They even brag about it.
When I was a kid, you weren't even allowed to TOUCH the communion wafer - you stuck your tongue out and they put it in your mouth. The reason for that was in the distant past, anti-catholics would sneak in, take the wafer and desecrate it. So to better ensure that didn't happen, they put it directly in your mouth. They relaxed those rules in the 70s because they felt that sort of thing was over. (Apparently not). When we were taught how to take it in our cupped hands, there was no uncertainty at all that you ate it immediately. It goes like this: cup your hands, left on top, right on bottom, preist says 'body of christ', you bow your head, say 'amen,' he puts the wafer on your left hand, you pick it up with the right, still facing the preist, and put it in your mouth, then make the sign of the cross and return to your pew. I would be absolutely SHOCKED to see someone take it back to the pew.
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As filthy says, Cook isn't the issue. It's the raging hypocrisy that some of the same people who claim that it's impossible to live a moral life without God are refusing to rebuke their fellow Catholics who seem incapable of acting with love and forgiveness towards Cook (and PZ). Cook was merely the catalyst that turned the murky waters clear, for all to see the double standard.
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The issue I was commenting on was Cook and what he did. And it's nothing new at all to see Christians in the US, and most other places, behaving nothing at all like the god they claim to devote themselves to instructed them to behave. Those waters arn't particularly murky and there's plenty of real-world examples you can point to, no wafer bashing necessary. |
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chaloobi
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Posted - 07/22/2008 : 05:54:20 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by H. Humbert
Originally posted by chaloobi
IMHO, there's enough nasty shit going on around the world these days without some ding dong college student stirring up the faithful with stunts like this. It's hard to be sympathetic to him at all.
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There's enough nasty shit going on around the world these days to make stealing a cracker worthy of no more than a yawn. It's hard to be sympathetic to an organization that doesn't pay taxes yet receives federal money, protects pedophiles, discriminates against unwed mothers and gays, and generally spreads ignorant nonsense. I think all churches should be dismantled brick-by-brick, the clergy hung from their own entrails, and their relics scattered to dogs. Because let's be honest, the Catholic Church got where they are today by playing hard ball and playing to win, by torturing heretics and burning young women alive. They set the standard. They made the rules. So to put this offense in perspective, it's not even remotely close to the payback they earned. (Consider the Overton window moved.)
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You speak with as much vitriol as the fire and brimstone nut-jobs in the pentacostal church my wife attended as a child. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 07/22/2008 : 07:23:39 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by chaloobi
...Catholics are notorious for their homogeneity. They even brag about it. |
Apparently, bragging is never a false front. | And it's nothing new at all to see Christians in the US, and most other places, behaving nothing at all like the god they claim to devote themselves to instructed them to behave. Those waters arn't particularly murky and there's plenty of real-world examples you can point to, no wafer bashing necessary. |
The "wafer bashing" is in response to the clarity of the waters, not the cause of the clarity.
You also wrote:| You speak with as much vitriol as the fire and brimstone nut-jobs in the pentacostal church my wife attended as a child. |
The important part was "Consider the Overton window moved." |
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A Christian (Catholic) sense of proportion...
