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chaloobi
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 Posted - 07/22/2008 : 08:29:34 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by chaloobi
You also wrote:You speak with as much vitriol as the fire and brimstone nut-jobs in the pentacostal church my wife attended as a child.  |
The important part was "Consider the Overton window moved."
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Hmmm.... Interesting. Right Wing Radio's been using this technique to reshape the US political landscape for a couple decades. Now I see a method to Ann Coulter's madness - God, I never thought I'd think something like that...
| The Overton window is a concept in political theory, named after the former vice president of the Mackinac Center for Public Policy, Joe Overton, who developed the model. It describes a "window" in the range of public reactions to ideas in public discourse, in a spectrum of all possible options on an issue. Overton described a method for moving that window, thereby including previously excluded ideas, while excluding previously acceptable ideas. The technique relies on people promoting ideas even less acceptable than the previous "outer fringe" ideas. That makes those old fringe ideas look less extreme, and thereby acceptable. Delivering rhetoric to define the window provides a plan of action to make more acceptable to the public some ideas by priming them with other ideas allowed to remain unacceptable, but which make the real target ideas seem more acceptable by comparison. |
So you guys think desecrating consecrated bread will do the the trick turning public perception against Catholics.... Ok. Good luck. |
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 07/22/2008 : 08:36:34 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by chaloobi
So you guys think desecrating consecrated bread will do the the trick turning public perception against Catholics.... |
No, I think it might go some way toward diminishing the privileged status this voodoo holds in today's society.
Thank you.
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"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman
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Dave W.
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Posted - 07/22/2008 : 09:20:44 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by chaloobi
So you guys think desecrating consecrated bread will do the the trick turning public perception against Catholics.... Ok. Good luck. |
*headdesk* *headdesk* *headdesk*
In other news: Bill Donohue's latest is bizarre in the extreme. He is obviously trying to manipulate Muslims into doing something against PZ, as well:Tuesday July 22, 2008
MYERS TO DESECRATE EUCHARIST AND KORAN
July 22, 2008
On July 15, Catholic League president Bill Donohue called attention to the way Professor Paul Z. Myers of the University of Minnesota treats Catholicism and Islam: the biologist's pledge to desecrate the Eucharist contrasts starkly with the deference he has shown to Islam.
Now Myers says that "Thanks to all those who have demanded that I treat that silly book [the Koran] with disrespect, I'll have to treat both equally."
Donohue responded today:
"The latest threat by Myers only makes matters worse. Instead of treating Catholicism with the respect he has previously shown for Islam, he now pledges to disrespect Islam the way he pledges to disrespect Catholicism (once again!). This is his idea of equal treatment.
"Much has been written about the moral vacuity that marks the Darwinian vision of society that Myers embraces. He now has a grand opportunity to rebut those critics. Or sustain the perception. So which will it be, Professor Myers? I will let Ibrahim Hooper at the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) know of your latest bluster. And I sincerely implore you to drop both threats now." He followed it up with PZ's email address, and the email address of CAIR's communications director.
Note the complete fabrication of what PZ "embraces."
PZ says,This latest round of email is particularly revolting, though. These Catholics are chortling with glee -- they don't have to make death threats anymore, they're just overjoyed that now the Muslims, terrorists all, will give me my comeuppance, and they're all urging them on.
So far, though, the score in number of email tirades is Catholics: 5 digit number, Muslims: 0. Maybe I'll get some islamic hate mail soon, but I suspect that CAIR is more interested in defusing any prejudice that they are all mad bombers...a prejudice Donohue is more interested in promoting. |
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the_ignored
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Posted - 07/22/2008 : 10:54:54 [Permalink]
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I've commented on this over at Myer's site...that asshole Donohue is really starting to piss me off.
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This is the contact info for the Catholic League from their own website.
Maybe we could put some of that to use?
Contact Us
450 Seventh Avenue
New York, NY 10123
(212) 371-3191
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>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
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> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
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> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.
What brought that on? this. Original posting here.
Another example of this guy's lunacy here. |
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filthy
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Posted - 07/22/2008 : 12:23:26 [Permalink]
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It is tempting to write Donohue off as a complete and utter ass, spit derisively in his general direction, raise a middle finger in ribald salute, and move on to matters of greater moment. However, he's worth paying attention too; after all, his cult and his mindset are the very things that brought Europe the infamy of the Inquisition(s), and lying to for the Christ has always been a popular pastime amongst the devout. He has yet, really, to do his best to mount some sort of offensive against Myers and anyone who travels with him.
It is very important to him that he do so. If he cannot get PZ fired or attacked by the Muslim lunatic fringe, there is the distinct possibility that his rhetoric will convince some loosely-hinged cracker-muncher to take up the slack. And failing that, there are plenty of Protestants that could be inspired by him to attack the godless for Jesus, leaving his own hands semi-clean. And from his point of view, the attack, physical or not, would enhance his position in the Church Militant. He will have fought valiantly for the Faith.
Never forget: taken as a whole, H. s. sapiens is a species of idiots who seldom listen to any but the loudest voice.
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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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Dave W.
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Posted - 07/22/2008 : 19:01:46 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by the_ignored
This is the contact info for the Catholic League from their own website.
Maybe we could put some of that to use? |
That'd be a bad idea, as it would almost guarantee a "now the atheists are attacking me" whine from Donohue. |
- Dave W. (Private Msg, EMail)
Evidently, I rock!
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Visit Dave's Psoriasis Info, too. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 07/22/2008 : 19:05:50 [Permalink]
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By the way, the latest from PZ includes this:Nice people, these Catholics. If Mr Moore shows up at my door, the only people who will be meeting him are the local police. And then the comments quickly devolve into a guns-in-the-home debate. |
- Dave W. (Private Msg, EMail)
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filthy
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 Posted - 07/23/2008 : 13:24:01 [Permalink]
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Tune in tomorrow at this same station to learn the ultimate fate of Captain Cracker, hero of the Faith, savior of the Church! | Yes, the sad little cracker has met its undignified end, so stop pestering me. The cracker, the koran, and another surprise entry have been violated and are gone. You'll have to wait until tomorrow for the details, what little of them there are. I must quickly apologize to all you good Catholics who were hoping to attend Mass, since you can't anymore — I have been told many hundreds of times now that cracker abuse violates your right to practice your religion. I guess you'll have to adapt. Secular humanism is a good alternative, if you aren't already flocking to join the Mormons. |
And if you think that this is going to be the end of it, think again.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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Dave W.
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Posted - 07/24/2008 : 09:18:43 [Permalink]
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From Crunchy Con, we get abuse of the words "damage," "Satanic," "diabolical," "persecute" and "hatred." We even get the intolerance of someone who thinks that Muslims will do PZ worse than the Catholics have (just because they're Muslims). We also get this:It's plain that the raging of Christians only feeds Myers' hatred. But what would he do if the response to his hideous blasphemy is ... love? What would he do if Catholics and other Christians, and even sympathetic members of other faiths, turned up en masse on his campus simply to pray quietly for him? What kind of witness would that be to the wider culture? How might that make straight the path to salvation for P.Z. Myers, and many who now admire him? Wouldn't that be blessing those who persecute you, as Christ commands us to do? I'm pretty sure if people turned up to pray for PZ, he'd laugh at them, too (which would probably spark a whole 'nother round of nastygrams). |
- Dave W. (Private Msg, EMail)
Evidently, I rock!
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Visit Dave's Psoriasis Info, too. |
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chaloobi
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Posted - 07/24/2008 : 10:37:30 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
It's plain that the raging of Christians only feeds Myers' hatred. But what would he do if the response to his hideous blasphemy is ... love? What would he do if Catholics and other Christians, and even sympathetic members of other faiths, turned up en masse on his campus simply to pray quietly for him? What kind of witness would that be to the wider culture? How might that make straight the path to salvation for P.Z. Myers, and many who now admire him? Wouldn't that be blessing those who persecute you, as Christ commands us to do? I'm pretty sure if people turned up to pray for PZ, he'd laugh at them, too (which would probably spark a whole 'nother round of nastygrams).
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Morons. If they understood their own religion, something like this would be the only acceptable response, if there even was one. Of course they shouldn't be trying to pass laws to legislate compliance with religous dogma either, which would probably have a priori made the whole thing moot since PZ wouldn't be fucking with them. The whole basis of faith is preservation of freedom to choose, so if you make laws against sin, then aren't you doing something god itself intentionally refused to do? Talk about blasphemy.... |
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 07/24/2008 : 11:30:22 [Permalink]
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PZ nailed it (and then threw it in the trash).
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"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman
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filthy
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Posted - 07/24/2008 : 11:52:44 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by H. Humbert
PZ nailed it (and then threw it in the trash).
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Well done, PZ, and very well told!
I note that the first comment was "May God have mercy...." something as meaningless and as useless as the cracker.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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chaloobi
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pleco
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Posted - 07/24/2008 : 12:29:14 [Permalink]
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| I'm sure someone will say that he photoshopped that because he wouldn't risk the Wrath of The All-Loving God. |
by Filthy
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 07/24/2008 : 12:35:03 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by chaloobi
Was it blessed? I wonder. |
Why, because it didn't bleed? But no need to wonder:
I knew the first thing that would happen is that the loons would claim it is a fake cracker. The one I chose to photograph is one that the sender actually provided video documentation of where it came from.
Not that there's any substantial difference between the consecrated and unconsecrated version.
Posted by: PZ Myers |
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"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman
"Face facts with dignity." --found inside a fortune cookie |
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A Christian (Catholic) sense of proportion...
