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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 08/28/2008 : 18:35:41
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I'm always interested in the convention of both parties, and have watched them since I was of voting age (a mere 20 years, yes yes... I know, I'm just a babe in swadling compared to some of you).
I am struck by how the media is treating the convention this year. The "news" channels (I use the term "news" with some hesitation when describing CNN/FAUX/MSNBC) have ignored many speeches, many of them very good. Some of them have even been outstanding, like Kerry's speech wednesday. Had to read the text online, and then hunt down the video well after the fact.
The various "news" channels have been fairly predictable, and MSNBC has even been amusing with the infighting among their punditocracy. Olberman telling Scarborough to "get a shovel" was fucking hilarious. Scarborough bitching out Schuster, live, for three+ minutes was pretty funny as well! Matthews bitchslapping Olberman on live feed was priceless. CNN has douchbag carvel, who is prettymuch a useless bag of asshattery. And, of course, FAUX is the media dissemination arm of the neocons, always good for a chuckle if you watch their "analysis" of convention speeches.
Anyone else paying attention to this years conventions?
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
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Posted - 08/28/2008 : 18:45:36 [Permalink]
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| I am. PBS has it all. Reruns on CNN. I don't think I have missed a speech... |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
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Posted - 08/28/2008 : 19:03:42 [Permalink]
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Watching just an hour ago or so, I was amazed that Tim Kaine's speech from the podium was deemed less important than having some reporter ask softball questions of Jesse Jackson as he milled about with thousands of others. I forget which channel that was, but switching to a different channel found pretty much the same thing being done to someone else.
I wonder who they will decide to interview while Obama is speaking...
Edited: Kil reminded me that it was, indeed, CNN that ignored Kaine. At least, the CNN that I was watching. |
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
USA
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Posted - 08/28/2008 : 20:13:25 [Permalink]
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I've been watching on C-Span, where you can get live feeds even if I somehow only seem to be able to watch the upper-left quarter of what I imagine to be the full shot. (That, or the camera person and director should be fired!) And TPM has done a nice job of up-loading video of the speeches the major news outlets didn't cover.
And yes, Kerry's speech was really good, if 4 years too late! |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26025 Posts |
Posted - 08/28/2008 : 20:13:48 [Permalink]
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| Okay, Obama talks a good game, I'll give him that much. The ambition and "we're not gonna take it anymore" attitude are certainly things I can get behind. Let's see how well he follows through on some of that speech during the debates. |
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bngbuck
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 08/28/2008 : 20:29:04 [Permalink]
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Obama's speech just finished. What do you think....
Of the content?
Took McCain's handsful of feces and immaculately threw it back in his face!
Of the presentation?
I think it was near-historic!
Of the reception on the various channels?
Faux's Bill Kristol was damn near blown away.
Olbermann was ecstatic.
Chris Mathewws was nearly orgasmic!
What are SFN's opinions? |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
13479 Posts |
Posted - 08/28/2008 : 20:29:13 [Permalink]
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I think this convention did all the things it had to do. I don't think this election will be a cakewalk, but if I were McCain, I would be worried.
Party unity was the thing. I think that was accomplished... |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
6891 Posts |
Posted - 08/28/2008 : 20:45:52 [Permalink]
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Obama is one of the best political orators I have ever heard. I've watched old speeches (because I'm a glutton for punishment, and youtube makes it so easy) and read a bunch of even older ones. I think he writes much of his own material as well.
JFK had the writing skill (or writers) to match, but he lacked the ability to deliver with Obama's skill. Obama takes the skill of rhetorical cadence (most recently famous, and maybe most simply, used by pres#41, "read my lips, no new taxes") and blends it seamlessly into the content of his speaking.
He is currently unmatched, certainly he can destroy McCain, in a contest of verbal skills.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
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Simon
SFN Regular
USA
1992 Posts |
Posted - 08/28/2008 : 21:06:43 [Permalink]
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Here is the transcript from the discourse.
America, we are better than these last eight years. We are a better country than this.
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Indeed you are. Let's hope it shows during the elections!
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
6891 Posts |
Posted - 08/28/2008 : 21:37:15 [Permalink]
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Just saw a clip of some ABC coverage... talking head making some eloquent speech about how much hard work went into the convention to deliver for Obama, who he then described as "The son of a black man from Kenya, and a white man from Kansas."
Fucking glad I wasn't eating or drinking anything at that moment.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 08/29/2008 : 04:21:43 [Permalink]
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I refuse to watch the network incompetents and can't tune in PBS, but I'll get it today on-line.
Now for the (R) clusterfuck, which should be at least as interesting albeit for different reasons.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
Posted - 08/29/2008 : 06:29:17 [Permalink]
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Speaking of (R) clusterfucks, they've been getting an early start on it: Another day, another McCain advisor thrown under the bus for accidentally telling the truth about his candidate's indifference to the struggles of ordinary Americans. John Goodman "said anyone with access to an emergency room effectively has insurance."
"So I have a solution. And it will cost not one thin dime," Mr. Goodman said. "The next president of the United States should sign an executive order requiring the Census Bureau to cease and desist from describing any American -- even illegal aliens -- as uninsured. Instead, the bureau should categorize people according to the likely source of payment should they need care.
"So, there you have it. Voila! Problem solved." |
Lovely!
Dover Bitch, whom I could become quite fond of, continues on in what is an interesting writing. We already knew much if not all of what she points out, but seeing it all together is enlightening.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
13479 Posts |
Posted - 08/29/2008 : 08:50:47 [Permalink]
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This should get interesting.
McCain Chooses Palin as Running Mate
DAYTON, Ohio — In a surprise move, Senator John McCain chose Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska as his running mate on Friday, shaking up the political world at a time when his campaign has been trying to attract women, especially disaffected supporters of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, McCain officials confirmed.
Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska on Aug. 14, 2008.
In choosing Ms. Palin — a 44-year-old conservative Christian and self-described “hockey mom” who has been governor for less than two years — the McCain campaign reached far outside the Washington Beltway in an election in which the Democratic nominee, Senator Barack Obama, is running on a platform of change.
Ms. Palin, a former mayor of the small town of Wasilla and beauty pageant queen, first rose to prominence as a whistle-blower uncovering ethical misconduct in state government. |
Now, I understand this choice, but I don't think there are many Hillary voters up for grabs after the last four days. But it's still not going to be two white guys which was expected. Also, after lots of attacks on Obama's lack of experiance, McCain chose a running mate who has even less experiance. But she might make the RR feel better.
I think McCain had to gamble. So here it is... |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
6891 Posts |
Posted - 08/29/2008 : 09:00:48 [Permalink]
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Wow, that is an unexpected choice for McCain. Didn't see that one comming at all.
I doubt it will make much difference though. Those few Hillary supporters who are voting McCain were never going to vote for a democrat other than Hillary anyway.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
13479 Posts |
Posted - 08/29/2008 : 09:18:43 [Permalink]
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She might pick up some of the female independents who were Hillary supporters. I dunno. But you're right about female democrats. They're ours.
This should take some of the wind out of McCain's sails on the experience front, which has been his most effective attack over the last few weeks.
Actually, this is shaping up to be like nothing we have ever seen before. |
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astropin
SFN Regular
USA
970 Posts |
Posted - 08/29/2008 : 09:37:31 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
She might pick up some of the female independents who were Hillary supporters. I dunno. But you're right about female democrats. They're ours.
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That's a sad statement if it's true. No one should vote for someone just because of there race or sex......oh wait.....I forgot which universe I was living in for a second there.
The Right Wing Conservatives are THRILLED with this choice.....so we should be very afraid.
On a side note Dish Network was providing a "Live High Definition Feed" (without commentary) of the convention.....VERY COOL. |
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