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Kil
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Posted - 09/19/2008 : 11:12:36 [Permalink]
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Bill:
So he was living a lie all while spreading lies with his music and songs. |
I suppose it serves you to make up your own version of his story. He didn't believe he was living a lie, and it shocked him when he realized that his feelings didn't go away. Since when is not acting on "sinful thoughts" un-Christian? You can call that a lie to others, but the truth is, he was doing exactly what Fundamentalist Christians recommend.
Look at the responses in that thread. The "compassionate" people are still recommending it... |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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Posted - 09/19/2008 : 11:20:17 [Permalink]
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Bill:
Say what you believe about Morris but I think you would agree that Morris himself believed that what he was professing was truth as far as the creation and evolution debate. |
Yeah, and he made shit up. He could believe what he liked, but he also made shit up. He was a liar. Satan thinking up evolution way back and on top of the Tower of Babble? The only other thing you can call that, if not a lie, is that he was bat-shit crazy...
Do you think Bolz is crazy? |
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Dave W.
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 Posted - 09/19/2008 : 11:28:09 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
You guys use the "liar" label way to flippantly around here, seriously. |
I only use the word when I've got good evidence that it's true (and your past history is good evidence). You said "This from the forum where most jumped for glee like grade school children out on recess when the death of Henry Morris was announced" as if it were true. It is not true (neither the "most" part or the "jumped for glee" part). You either lied or you misremembered, let's see:This guy admits he has no grief over the man's passing
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This guy calls him names on the news of his passing.
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And this guy, the one who challenged the Christian compassion, acts as if his death is no different then shooting a plastic duck at some backwoods carnival skeet shoot. |
Yet nobody in that thread "jumped for glee like grade school children out on recess." The fact that you're trying to move the goalposts makes it clear that your initial statement was a deliberate lie, Bill, and you are compounding the lie by trying to cover it up. Otherwise, you would simply have said, "I remembered it differently, sorry."| Well these Christians would not be professing true Christian doctrine. The Bible teaches that we all have moral failures. The difference is the Bible teaches the Christian's moral failures are covered by the blood of the Lamb while non-Christian's moral failures are not covered but exposed. |
Yup, the freethinkers are into transparency, while Christians try to cover up their faults.| Well that and he is prayed for. |
As I said, he's being told he's going to Hell. Why else pray for him?| Whatever you believe about prayer Christians believe prayer is the single biggest way to effect those who have not excepted the free gift of salvation offered through the blood of JC. Which is why I noted that most in the forum I was linked to were asking for prayer for Ray Bolz. |
Yes, "I am praying for you" means "you're going to Hell." The fact that a whole chorus of Christians on another forum have passed judgement upon Boltz is not a good thing, Bill. It's a horror show.| Christian hypocrisy, as an abomination to man, beats out atheistic humanity every time. |
Beats it out at what? I am sorry please forgive me but I am not following you here. |
Christian hypocrisy is more of a blight on society than atheists who are just being human. |
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Bill scott
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Posted - 09/19/2008 : 11:29:51 [Permalink]
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| Oh please. Morris was a freaking liar who spent his life spreading those lies. |
What was Bolz? At least Morris actually believed true that what he passed on as true.
A villain? LOL!!! You mean he walked around with a black cape and a mask , LOL!!!
Villains usually try and project themselves as something they are not for the purpose of deceiving someone. Sounds more like Bolz to me.
| I didn't go out and celebrate his passing as you imply. |
I said that you mocked and made fun of him. I guess that is where we are different. I never felt any sense of vendetta at the death of Carl Sagan. I may not have agreed with his world view but I felt a sense of compassion and lose for him as a fellow human being when I heard about his death. I also felt a sense of compassion for his family at their time of lose.
| But I certainly didn't mourn over him either. |
That's to bad. As a fellow human being I mourned the lose of CS. |
"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-
"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-
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Bill scott
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Posted - 09/19/2008 : 11:34:19 [Permalink]
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Nope, sure don't. To me he was just another religious demogogue of no value either to society nor even to his version of Christianity, as demonstrated by ICR and the delusions it spews daily.
Why should I feel any grief over the loss of such? Like Nixon, he was nothing but a nuisance to me alive and I sure ain't gonna venerate his corpse. |
I find your world view, at the very least, annoying, Filthy. Does that mean I should feel no grief or lose over the news of your demise? If the truth be told I find you as one of the more likable characters I have come across while conversing on this website. There is no doubt I would feel grief over your lose, whether we share a common world view or not.
| But I didn't "jump for glee." |
Good.
No. It's called respect for the dead and it used to be common knowledge. |
"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-
"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-
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pleco
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Posted - 09/19/2008 : 11:38:44 [Permalink]
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Should I Godwin this? OK.
In other words, would you, Bill, have felt grief over the death of, say, Hitler? Stalin? Pol Pot?
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Dave W.
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Posted - 09/19/2008 : 11:44:31 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
Villains usually try and project themselves as something they are not for the purpose of deceiving someone. |
Henry Morris to a T. |
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pleco
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Posted - 09/19/2008 : 11:44:32 [Permalink]
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| Oh, and, just admit that you made an assertion without fact and did not even bother to research if the assertion would be true on a forum where you know that someone would research it. |
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the_ignored
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Posted - 09/19/2008 : 11:50:36 [Permalink]
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Some differences between Morris and Bolz; Morris kept lying, both to himself I imagine, and to everyone else right up to his death. Bolz eventually quit deceiving himself.
Bolz did not lie about and distort the work of honest scientists the way Morris did. Bolz did not blame the ills of society on scientists as Morris falsely did.
Morris was a villain; he was just deluded into thinking that he was a good guy. |
>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
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> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
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> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
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What brought that on? this. Original posting here.
Another example of this guy's lunacy here. |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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Posted - 09/19/2008 : 11:53:45 [Permalink]
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Bill Scott:
This from the forum where most jumped for glee like grade school children out on recess when the death of Henry Morris was announced. |
Me:
I didn't go out and celebrate his passing as you imply. |
Bill Scott:
I said that you mocked and made fun of him. |
Where is the "jumping for glee" part? Not only are you moving the goal posts, but you're still wrong.
Bill, why don't you think before you respond? Do you actually believe that we will forget what you wrote?
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Bill scott
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Posted - 09/19/2008 : 11:59:32 [Permalink]
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| Originally posted by pleco |
| In other words, would you, Bill, have felt grief over the death of, say, Hitler? Stailin? Pol Pot? If you say yes, I'll call you a liar. |
Bad example as I was not alive for Stalin or Hitler and I don't remember Pol Pot so they just seem like pieces of history. But I will admit that right before he swung in the gallows I felt pity for Saddam Hussein. You could see the man was as scared as a rabbit in fox country and on the level of human to another human who was facing the reality of his own mortality a bit of pity for the man did come across my emotions. Of course I also have pity for the thousands SH killed as well. I guess it comes down to the fact that I don't believe that death was the intended outcome for man's existence here on earth and so I have pity on any human, whether they are friend or foe, when they know they are facing their own mortality and you can see the fear of God on their face. |
"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-
"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-
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pleco
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Posted - 09/19/2008 : 12:03:23 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
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| In other words, would you, Bill, have felt grief over the death of, say, Hitler? Stailin? Pol Pot? If you say yes, I'll call you a liar. |
Bad example as I was not alive for Stalin or Hitler and I don't remember Pol Pot so they just seem like pieces of history. But I will admit that right before he swung in the gallows I felt pity for Saddam Hussein. You could see the man was as scared as a rabbit in fox country and on the level of human to another human who was facing the reality of his own mortality a bit of pity for the man did come across my emotions. Of course I also have pity for the thousands SH killed as well. I guess it comes down to the fact that I don't believe that death was the intended outcome for man's existence here on earth and so I have pity on any human, whether they are friend or foe, when they know they are facing their own mortality and you can see the fear of God on their face.
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I guess to me "grief" and "pity" are different words.
I, too, felt pity for Morris. A LOT of pity. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 09/19/2008 : 12:14:00 [Permalink]
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| I find your world view, at the very least, annoying, Filthy. Does that mean I should feel no grief or lose over the news of your demise? If the truth be told I find you as one of the more likable characters I have come across while conversing on this website. There is no doubt I would feel grief over your lose, whether we share a common world view or not. |
My world view has annoyed many people, and that's good. It shows that they're paying attention.
I would feel a bit of loss for you; we've had some interesting conversations and would never have another. But Bill, dead is dead and it's the natural order of things ever since life appeared on the Earth. Indeed, without death, there could be no life (think about that). Ol' Hank was what, 87 or so when he shuffled off this mortal coil? Something like that; anyway, it was a good, long time. Most of us don't do quite so well.
Should you feel a little loss for me, when I at last fall off my perch? That's entirely up to you, as I won't be in a position to be concerned. But until then my friend, I'll call 'em as I see 'em -- it's the best I can do.
Y'know, even in death, the blathering of Henry Morris lives on. Our blather will quietly fade away with us.
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Bill scott
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Posted - 09/19/2008 : 12:19:06 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
Bill Scott:
This from the forum where most jumped for glee like grade school children out on recess when the death of Henry Morris was announced. |
Me:
I didn't go out and celebrate his passing as you imply. |
Bill Scott:
I said that you mocked and made fun of him. |
Where is the "jumping for glee" part? Not only are you moving the goal posts, but you're still wrong.
Bill, why don't you think before you respond? Do you actually believe that we will forget what you wrote?
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| Where is the "jumping for glee" part? |
Dude, this is a fricken web forum. Your trouble is that you are trying to take "jumping for a glee" in a wooden literal sense. How could you "jump for glee" on a website forum? This is a metaphoric phrase for pete's sake.
| Not only are you moving the goal posts, but you're still wrong. |
Look jr. you mocked Morris's death and that is a fact. You said "One down..." as if you have mercenaries out there with a list. One down and X amount more to go...
If you want to say that I exaggerated your glee then you are allowed your own opinion. But then you take exaggerated and turn it into lie becuase I can't prove that you physically jumped for glee?!?!?! Now your just turning this into a game of semantics. *Yawn*
| Bill, why don't you think before you respond? Do you actually believe that we will forget what you wrote? |
Dude!!!! It's a phrase!!!! I wasn't actually implying that I had evidence that you physically jumped for glee!!!! |
"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-
"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 09/19/2008 : 12:20:56 [Permalink]
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Did Bolz ever publicly deny that he was gay? If not, then we can drop the claim that he "lied" about his sexuality. Bill might be upset that Bolz didn't volunteer that information about himself, but we in civilized society understand that sexual orientation is a personal matter, and choosing not to discuss one's private life is not the same as lying.
The fact that Bolz was a member of a community that largely shuns gays probably contributed to his reluctance to come out of the closet publically, certainly. But that is not equivalent to lying to his community, especially as others here have pointed out, the evangelical community promotes denial.
Despite bill ludicrous insinuations, Bolz was, and remains, fully Christian. He did not lie about who he was. He is now openly gay and Christian. It is possible to be both. The fact that bill's tiny brain cannot process such a position does not mean that it doesn't exist.
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Xian singer Ray Bolz admits he's gay.
