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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
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 Posted - 10/06/2008 : 15:47:12 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
Originally posted by Bill scott
Originally posted by Kil
I'm suppose to trust Fox News? All I could find is right wing bloggers and Fox News making the above claims.
Might be nice to get a neutral news agency to report on the Fox claims. In the meantime, there is this:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200809210007
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Really? I found it all over the net.
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Then why use Fox as a source? You come to the den of liberals and independents, trying to convince us of something, and you use the most right biased news agency as your source? Not very logical if you ask me.
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Emphasis above mine. Since when does Fox News qualify as "news agency". I mean, any more than The Daily Show, or Cobert Report...
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Bill scott
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 10/06/2008 : 16:12:07 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by Bill scott
How is it Bush's fault? |
Republicans tried four times (three in 2003 and once in 2005) with a Republican-controlled House and Senate (and with lots of Democrat support in 2005), and still couldn't get things done, because the Republican-lead Senate committee refused to hold hearings or otherwise take action on the bills (except for one time in 2003, when Republican Senate leadership sandbagged their own bill). And in 2007, it was over half the Republicans saying "we don't want this."
Bush, as the head of the National Republican Party, bears responsibility for Republican failures to pass Republican-sponsored legislation to fix this Republican-spotted problem.
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Just the fact that Barney was the gay lover of Fannie Mae executive Herb Moses at the same time he was considering legislation for said FM stinks to high heaven.
In 2003 the Bush administration warned of needed supervision for FM and FM. Barney Frank insisted that both were in solid shape and that even these debates were putting unneeded stresses on FM and FM thereby causing poor people to not get housing. This was Bushies fault as he could not muster the votes or interest in part thanks to BF.
In 2005 and 2007 BF was now in favor of legislation to supervise FM and FM but failed to get anything passed. Thereby allowing the biggest financial collapse on his and the democratic controlled do nothing congress's watch. What could Bush do at this point? The dems ran the hill. So therefore my original point stands. Nancy Pelosi is a liar when she takes the floor and claims that this is an entirely republican caused problem and lack of solution when a poster boy like Barney Frank walks the halls and her do nothing congress has done nothing to avoid the mess Barney was in denial ever existed but who's gay lover profited nicely from.
And the fact that you continue to deny any wrong doing on the dems behalf and you lay blame solely on the pubs the more indoctrinated you prove yourself to be.
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
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Posted - 10/06/2008 : 18:01:53 [Permalink]
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Bill Scott:
Just the fact that Barney was the gay lover of Fannie Mae executive Herb Moses at the same time he was considering legislation for said FM stinks to high heaven. |
What does this have to do with 2003, five years after Moses left Fanny Mae and five years after he and Frank broke up? Anything? |
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Bill scott
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 10/06/2008 : 18:10:53 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
Bill Scott:
Just the fact that Barney was the gay lover of Fannie Mae executive Herb Moses at the same time he was considering legislation for said FM stinks to high heaven. |
What does this have to do with 2003, five years after Moses left Fanny Mae and five years after he and Frank broke up? Anything?
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Who cares when the lovers broke up? The fact that Barney Frank was having a gay love affair with Herb Moses while Moses was an executive at Fannie Mae and Frank was the highest ranking dem on a committee overseeing Fannie legislation is an abomination. No way around it.
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
13477 Posts |
Posted - 10/06/2008 : 18:17:47 [Permalink]
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Bill Scott:
...abomination |
What an interesting word you chose Bill. I might have gone with a phrase like "conflict of interest" if I were trying to make a conflict case. But now I'm not sure what case you're trying to make, if you see what I mean... |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 10/06/2008 : 20:18:00 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
Bill Scott:
...abomination |
What an interesting word you chose Bill. I might have gone with a phrase like "conflict of interest" if I were trying to make a conflict case. But now I'm not sure what case you're trying to make, if you see what I mean...
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Suddenly Bill's motive becomes transparent.
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 10/06/2008 : 20:40:40 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
Suddenly Bill's motive becomes transparent. |
What do you mean suddenly? 
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chefcrsh
Skeptic Friend
Hong Kong
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Posted - 10/07/2008 : 06:07:26 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
[The fact that Barney Frank was having a gay love affair
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I am curious, why the need for the adjective? Is it the gayness you oppose or the love affair, or both? |
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 10/07/2008 : 06:41:00 [Permalink]
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I am curious, why the need for the adjective? Is it the gayness you oppose or the love affair, or both?
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If he was having a heterosexual love affair with a man, it would be okay. |
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
5310 Posts |
Posted - 10/07/2008 : 06:53:45 [Permalink]
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I think the most of the damage was done by Democrats and Republicans alike. Or rather, a system where bankers tell the legislators what's best for the economy. Bankers didn't want to pay for gambling their money away, so taxpayers will pay.
The following was done with the oversight (or lack thereof) of the Clinton administration, but one architect of the recent problems had to be McCain's own Phil Gramm.
In the early evening of Friday, December 15, 2000, with Christmas break only hours away, the U.S. Senate rushed to pass an essential, 11,000-page government reauthorization bill. In what one legal textbook would later call ‘a stunning departure from normal legislative practice,' the Senate tacked on a complex, 262-page amendment at the urging of Texas Sen. Phil Gramm.
There was little debate on the floor. According to the Congressional Record, Gramm promised that the amendment—also known as the Commodity Futures Modernization Act—along with other landmark legislation he had authored, would usher in a new era for the U.S. financial services industry. |
http://www.cjr.org/the_audit/post_140.php |
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The dog has not been fed in years
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But it's alright-
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
9688 Posts |
Posted - 10/07/2008 : 11:44:27 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by H. Humbert
Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
Suddenly Bill's motive becomes transparent. |
What do you mean suddenly?
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I thought he'd have at least something more on his mind than just...
That's what I get for giving him the benefit of a doubt.
Watching his cognotive dissonance is fascinating.
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