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Cuneiformist
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 Posted - 10/01/2008 : 19:36:31 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by calebjones1234
Invisible Pink Elephants that travel about the universe.
There is as much evidence for my claim as there is for Dark matter and Dark energy. |
Actually, that's not true. It reflects rather poorly on you that you make such statements even though you obviously haven't keep up with the literature at all.
It reflects poorly, but it's entirely not surprising. |
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calebjones1234
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Posted - 10/01/2008 : 19:41:55 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Cuneiformist
Originally posted by calebjones1234
Invisible Pink Elephants that travel about the universe.
There is as much evidence for my claim as there is for Dark matter and Dark energy. |
Actually, that's not true. It reflects rather poorly on you that you make such statements even though you obviously haven't keep up with the literature at all.
It reflects poorly, but it's entirely not surprising.
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Really?
Prove that the phenomenon which we see is not Invisible Pink Elephants and is Dark matter and Dark energy.
Your claim.
You prove it.
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Dave W.
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Posted - 10/01/2008 : 19:53:47 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by calebjones1234
Really?
Prove that the phenomenon which we see is not Invisible Pink Elephants and is Dark matter and Dark energy.
Your claim.
You prove it. |
Oh, good grief.
Astronomers use "dark matter" and "dark energy" as placeholder terms for phenomenon which we can observe (in other words, for which there is evidence) but don't yet understand the nature of, but you want proof that they are not a particular sort of phenomenon.
You can't get much more unreasonable than that.
Scientist: "Look, the leaves on those trees are flapping around. Until I figure out what causes that, I will call it 'wind'."
caleb: "Prove to me that this 'wind' is not Invisible Pink Elephants, then I will believe that 'wind' is not just shenanigans."
What an utterly irrational argument you make, caleb. |
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Simon
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Posted - 10/01/2008 : 19:55:14 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by calebjones1234
Originally posted by Cuneiformist
Originally posted by calebjones1234
Invisible Pink Elephants that travel about the universe.
There is as much evidence for my claim as there is for Dark matter and Dark energy. |
Actually, that's not true. It reflects rather poorly on you that you make such statements even though you obviously haven't keep up with the literature at all.
It reflects poorly, but it's entirely not surprising.
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Really?
Prove that the phenomenon which we see is not Invisible Pink Elephants and is Dark matter and Dark energy.
Your claim.
You prove it.
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There is a bunch of physicists starting with Einstein that build a complex theoretical system for both dark energy and dark matter as fitting within the framework of current observations.
I am not asking you to believe them on face value but you can get the textbooks and attend classes and follow the equations and see if it all convince you.
On the other hand... I don't recall seeing such a work done on pink elephants. |
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Ricky
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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Posted - 10/01/2008 : 20:17:52 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by calebjones1234
Originally posted by Cuneiformist
Originally posted by calebjones1234
Invisible Pink Elephants that travel about the universe.
There is as much evidence for my claim as there is for Dark matter and Dark energy. |
Actually, that's not true. It reflects rather poorly on you that you make such statements even though you obviously haven't keep up with the literature at all.
It reflects poorly, but it's entirely not surprising. |
Really?
Prove that the phenomenon which we see is not Invisible Pink Elephants and is Dark matter and Dark energy.
Your claim.
You prove it. |
I obviously can't "prove" that IPUs don't do X or Y or Z. However, I did note that scientists have found evidence that something called "Dark Matter" exists.
I've followed this for a bit, and even been to some lectures on it (and I promise, they weren't all "theater"!!!!!!). I haven't followed much on what scientists are saying about Dark Energy though.
But again, you seem to have a number of advanced degrees in these fields that suggest that you have superior answers to these questions-- even ones that don't involved tired, cliched answers atheists give to rookie theists in high school debates about god!
Right? |
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 10/01/2008 : 21:11:18 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by calebjones1234
Prove that the phenomenon which we see is not Invisible Pink Elephants and is Dark matter and Dark energy.
Your claim.
You prove it. |
Actually, genius, that pink elephants are responsible for these phenomena was your claim, remember?
Originally posted by calebjones1234
Invisible Pink Elephants that travel about the universe.
There is as much evidence for my claim as there is for Dark matter and Dark energy. |
Damn, but you're stupid.
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calebjones1234
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Posted - 10/01/2008 : 21:12:33 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Cuneiformist
I obviously can't "prove" that IPUs don't do X or Y or Z. However, I did note that scientists have found evidence that something called "Dark Matter" exists.
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Try reading the words in the article and not the Headline.
The article says that the only thing that could caused what they see is Dark matter.
There is nothing in that article that could prevent me from inserting 'Invisible Pink Elephant' and making the same claim.
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calebjones1234
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Posted - 10/01/2008 : 21:13:33 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by H. Humbert
Damn, but you're stupid.
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I can see we have a real thinker here.
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calebjones1234
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Posted - 10/01/2008 : 21:18:02 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Ricky
Prove that the phenomenon which we see is not Invisible Pink Elephants and is Dark matter and Dark energy. |
The worst thing for an argument is for it to be applicable to everything.
Prove that the phenomenon which we see is not Invisible Pink Elephants and is gravity.
Prove that the phenomenon which we see is not Invisible Pink Elephants and is boiling.
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You have presented results in an attempt to create an analogy. This is incorrect thought process, it is illogical.
Try again using the initiate.
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calebjones1234
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Posted - 10/01/2008 : 21:22:58 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Simon
There is a bunch of physicists starting with Einstein that build a complex theoretical system for both dark energy and dark matter as fitting within the framework of current observations.
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Are you aware of Einstein's self-proclaimed "biggest blunder", and it's context to the subject at hand?
You do not seem... knowledgeable about this subject. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 10/01/2008 : 21:35:13 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by calebjones1234
Are you aware of Einstein's self-proclaimed "biggest blunder", and it's context to the subject at hand? |
And it turns out to not have been a blunder after all, just a difference in scale. Go figure that: scientists aren't omniscient.You do not seem... knowledgeable about this subject.
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And you seem to be in denial of the evidence and the meanings of terms. |
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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Posted - 10/02/2008 : 08:14:11 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by calebjones1234
Originally posted by Cuneiformist
I obviously can't "prove" that IPUs don't do X or Y or Z. However, I did note that scientists have found evidence that something called "Dark Matter" exists. |
Try reading the words in the article and not the Headline. |
That's rich, coming from you. And you clearly haven't read the National Geographic blurb, nor have you gone and bothered to look at the scientific publications.
The article says that the only thing that could caused what they see is Dark matter.
There is nothing in that article that could prevent me from inserting 'Invisible Pink Elephant' and making the same claim. |
And invisible pink elephants could also be holding you to the surface of the earth. But if you assert that as a refutation of our understanding of gravity, you don't look very smart.
Look, we know that the rotations of galaxies are such that either a) our understanding of gravity is fundamentally wrong, or b) there is something out there that acts like matter, but which we cannot directly observe.
Or, I guess, if you're sort of lazy a cool scientific maverick, you can posit c) magic invisible pink elephants.
Right now, the data strongly support b and not a.
But go ahead and in true scientific maverick style posit c, OK? Also, let us know how cold fusion could be a reality, if only it weren't for the energy industry |
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Simon
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Posted - 10/02/2008 : 08:56:11 [Permalink]
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| Are you aware of Einstein's self-proclaimed "biggest blunder", and it's context to the subject at hand? |
I do. And after a few more decades of refinement Science now consider that he might have been right after all.
You do not seem... knowledgeable about this subject.
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I am not. Mentioned not being a few times already. I still feel like I know better than you do. |
Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there – on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.
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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 10/02/2008 : 09:55:15 [Permalink]
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| He only proclaimed it his biggest blunder because he didnt want that to be the correct answer, in that case his bias prevented him from seeing that he was in fact thinking in the right direction. He was only incorrect in that he thought the dark energy force was equal to gravity, had he tried examinie it further he would have seen that it is in fact greater than gravity... |
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