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Simon
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 Posted - 10/15/2008 : 19:04:27
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And McCain keeps his strategy: lie; lie; lie... and see what sticks.
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Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there – on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.
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HalfMooner
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Posted - 10/15/2008 : 21:38:27 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Simon
And McCain keeps his strategy: lie; lie; lie... and see what sticks.
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There's no other strategy available to McCain, but the long-shot one of lying and confusing people. To go ad hominem and steer clear of inconvenient issues.
McCain's been a loyal Bush supporter for the last eight years. So what did he say tonight? He repeatedly talked about how terrible things have been the "last eight years." 
I can only think that Johnny Mac's hoping people don't notice he represents the same party which controlled Congress for 6 of the last 8 years, and its Presidency (whom he supported) for all 8.
He seems to hope enough people will be confused and forget he's a Republican.
To be fair to McCain, he has no good options. Unless he were simply to apologize to America for all the lies, and ask for its forgiveness. At least that way, he might salvage some sense of honor and self-respect.
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 10/15/2008 : 22:44:33 [Permalink]
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McCain's true nature was revealed after 2000. He thought he could be an oldschool quasi-authentic conservative, but Bush took him to the new school of politics and kicked his old ass.
McCain, rather than repudiate (a word he likes so much) Bush and that style of politics, decided to embrace W and his Rovian politics. He has Rove and some of Rove's people working his campaign now.
The thing that sums up John McCain best for me is his full-on sellout. In 2000 Falwell and Robertson were "agents of intolerance", nowdays he calls them his "base".
So what I'm saying, basically, is fuck John McCain. Him and the horse (Palin) he rode in on.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 10/16/2008 : 03:52:33 [Permalink]
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But we can always rely on the Drudge Report for pin-point accuracy:
{{{{DRUDGE POLL}}}} WHO WON THE FINAL PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE?...
MCCAIN
71% 150,394
OBAMA
28% 58,525
NEITHER
1% 2,693
Total Votes: 211,612
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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
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Simon
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Posted - 10/16/2008 : 07:46:39 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
McCain's true nature was revealed after 2000. He thought he could be an oldschool quasi-authentic conservative, but Bush took him to the new school of politics and kicked his old ass.
McCain, rather than repudiate (a word he likes so much) Bush and that style of politics, decided to embrace W and his Rovian politics. He has Rove and some of Rove's people working his campaign now.
The thing that sums up John McCain best for me is his full-on sellout. In 2000 Falwell and Robertson were "agents of intolerance", nowdays he calls them his "base".
So what I'm saying, basically, is fuck John McCain. Him and the horse (Palin) he rode in on.
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Pretty spot-on.
Although; to be fair, he probably has a lot of people asking, even begging him, to do things the neo-con way. The way that worked for 20 years. That's a lot of pressure and might in part explain why his campaign was so erratic. He is stuck between his old and his new friends.
Not to mention that he never was a kind or considerate person.
It is also funny when McCain reproached to Obama to follow the party line.
I wish that Obama would have said 'I needn't to be a maverick so much... The Democrat party was not wrong nearly as often as the GOP.'.
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Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there – on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.
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pleco
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Posted - 10/16/2008 : 08:25:14 [Permalink]
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I don't understand why the GOP candidates keep using phrases like Joe the Plumber and Joe Six-pack. They seem very condescending to me.
Aw, won't matter in a few weeks - either Obama is President or Osama decides to swing the election for the Republicans.
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Simon
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Posted - 10/16/2008 : 08:35:12 [Permalink]
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Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there – on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 10/16/2008 : 11:05:44 [Permalink]
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Joe the Plumber. Ok, that's inapproprate -- so sue me. I rather liked the way Obama handled the 'Joe' ploy. In essence, he made it into his own example, stealing it from McCain.
McCain seems to go from one stunt to the next, starting with his nomination of the Alaskan airhead (it is said that he jumped the shark there and the shark in question was C. megalodon). I'm inclined to agree. Palin has been little but an embarrassment to all but those clinically insane that are still allowed to run loose without a keeper & a leash. And even they have become something of an amusment.
Funny thing, though; I've been hearing very little from Dobson/Perkins/et al. clique. Do they realize that they too, have been instramental in the Republican losing of this campaign?
As it looks to me, the biggest hope they have left is Rovian-style fraud as is being practiced in some states even as we speak. I don't think it will work this time, but as long as Rove, DeLay, Cheney and the entire Bush family walk free, I make no predictions.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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Posted - 10/16/2008 : 11:26:49 [Permalink]
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Chippewa
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Posted - 10/16/2008 : 11:41:27 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by pleco
I don't understand why the GOP candidates keep using phrases like Joe the Plumber and Joe Six-pack. They seem very condescending to me...
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Yes. Its a way of reframing "the working-class folk" viewed through Republican eyes as people who "know their place" and serve their Republican lords. |
Diversity, independence, innovation and imagination are progressive concepts ultimately alien to the conservative mind.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 10/16/2008 : 12:44:58 [Permalink]
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"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." ~~ Hunter S. Thompson
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
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bngbuck
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Posted - 10/16/2008 : 12:48:24 [Permalink]
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Just on the Tube from MSNBC.COLUMBUS, Ohio - Joe the Plumber, America's most famous tradesman, said Thursday he doesn't have a license and doesn't need one.
Joe Wurzelbacher, better known as Joe the Plumber, the nickname Republican John McCain bestowed on him during Wednesday's presidential debate, said he works for a small plumbing company that does residential work. Because he works for someone else, he doesn't need a license, he said.
But the county Wurzelbacher and his employer live in, Lucas County, requires plumbers to have licenses. Neither Wurzelbacher nor his employer are licensed there, said Cheryl Schimming of Lucas County Building Regulations, which handles plumber licenses in parts of the county outside Toledo. |
Wonder if McCain has a liar's license? |
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pleco
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Posted - 10/16/2008 : 12:57:13 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." ~~ Hunter S. Thompson
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Wow - that's chock full of racist stereotypes - $10 worth you betcha. |
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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Posted - 10/16/2008 : 13:15:00 [Permalink]
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Wow - that's chock full of racist stereotypes - $10 worth you betcha |
And then read from the story, and the sad women who sent that says, "I didn't see it the way that it's being taken. I never connected. It was just food to me. It didn't mean anything else." Really?
These people are sick, and as we get close to Nov 4, and as Obama's victory seems more likely (Oops! Don't want to jinx it! this is a skeptic site; sorry), I bet we see more of this country's bigotry front and center. |
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 10/16/2008 : 13:50:23 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Cuneiformist
...the sad women who sent that says, "I didn't see it the way that it's being taken. I never connected. It was just food to me. It didn't mean anything else." Really? |
No, not really. She's lying through her teeth. Lying is like breathing to these people. They have zero integrity or sense of honor. You don't rise in the Republican party unless you are willing to do whatever it takes to win. Results matter and morals are for losers. Just look at who the Republicans picked as their candidate. A liar at the top and liars all the way down.
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"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes
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Simon
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Posted - 10/16/2008 : 20:54:10 [Permalink]
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Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there – on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.
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Does Joe the plumber drink from a six pack?
