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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
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 Posted - 10/31/2008 : 10:36:19 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Robb
Originally posted by Kil
Okay look. MSNBC is biased. But most of the shows are not news shows. They are opinion shows.
I think CNN does try to be unbiased. But mostly I watch PBS.
In any case, McCain has run a terrible campaign and that's that. It's true that they are being outspent by Obama by a lot. But hey, shit happens. Usually it's the Republicans who way outspend the Democrats.
Suck it up Robb. Deep down you don't want McPalin anyway. The Obama campaign is just trying to save you from yourself...
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I did not vote for McCain. Again your thoughts that people who vote for McCain are idiots. Say someting new for a change.
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I don't think everyone who is going to vote for McCain is an idiot. But lots of them are. I mean, listen to "Joe the Plumber" sometime. McCain is using that tard because he appeals to idiots. He appeals to reactionary fools who think Obama invented a progressive tax structure that he thought up because he is a socialist. It was Teddy Roosevelt, a Republican who came up with the progressive tax out of fairness. Joe, and the people who listen to him don't know their ass from a hole in the wall. They have no historical perspective because they don't know their history. All they know are sound bites. Honestly, McCain knows, even as he is saying otherwise, that it's not a liberal invention and he also knows that he needs the moron vote. He is pandering to idiots.
Not all Republicans are idiots, no. But you would never know it by listning to the McPalin campaign and who they are appealing to.
I think that is at least one reason why several Republican conservatives have jumped ship and endorsed Obama. I think they are offended by the McPalin campaign.
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Chippewa
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 10/31/2008 : 11:07:42 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Robb
...I guess Foxnews is the most fair and balanced... |
By the way, actual news reporting is NOT "fair and balanced" because the world and daily events - from which news comes, is never "fair and balanced".
If you're reporting accurately, especially on politics, someone will say you're unfair. In reality, NEWS is not "fair", its NEWS.
On the other hand, Propaganda is always "fair and balanced".  |
Diversity, independence, innovation and imagination are progressive concepts ultimately alien to the conservative mind.
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
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Posted - 10/31/2008 : 12:55:34 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Robb
Blah, Blah, blah. All republican candidates are dumb. I get it alraedy. |
No, Sarah Palin is an idiot. McCain is expressing the worst judgement of his career (perhaps).
I'm sure the Republican Party could have chosen to field a intelligent, calm and charismatic candidate, but they obviously decided otherwise. |
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astropin
SFN Regular
USA
970 Posts |
Posted - 10/31/2008 : 13:21:13 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by Robb
Blah, Blah, blah. All republican candidates are dumb. I get it alraedy. |
No, Sarah Palin is an idiot. McCain is expressing the worst judgement of his career (perhaps).
I'm sure the Republican Party could have chosen to field a intelligent, calm and charismatic candidate, but they obviously decided otherwise.
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Well they could, but it would be difficult. Creationism and Intelligence don't seem to blend very well. Now I agree there are plenty of highly intelligent Republicans.....they simply can't pass the litmus test to actually get the nomination.
McCain did it....but look who he had to bring on board! |
I would rather face a cold reality than delude myself with comforting fantasies.
You are free to believe what you want to believe and I am free to ridicule you for it.
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 10/31/2008 : 17:52:35 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Robb
The reason I will not vote for either canidate is that they both do not care about our debt. Will Obama reduce out debt? If so, tell me how. |
That's a no-brainer. As the True Socialist that he is, he'll raise taxes. Yours more than anyone elses.
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 10/31/2008 : 18:11:56 [Permalink]
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Robb said:
Blah, Blah, blah. All republican candidates are dumb. I get it alraedy.
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No, you don't get it. Not even close to getting it.
There are plenty of qualified, intelligent, normal republicans out there. Chuck Hagel, for example. Arlen Specter. Colin Powel. To name a few.
The problem is the neocon coalition has coopted the insane religious right-wing of the country (because you are easy to manipulate and none of your goals conflict with the neocon goals of US emperialism). Republicans can't win an election without strong support from this re-fucking-tarded minority. So republican candidates have to sprint as far to the political right as they can these days, or risk losing.
McCain is the perfect illustration of this. In 2000 he called Robertson and Falwell "agents of intolerance". In that moment he won my vote, but he lost 1,000 for every person he won with that line. So now, in 2008, his last chance.... he has taken up with the extremist religious assholes, recruited a babbling moron psychotic pentacostal retard for his running mate, and veered over into blood-red political territory.
As a result he is going to lose this election. Enough people in the middle are done letting the insane religious minority of this country trample us under their moronic charge to a theocratic state.
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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Posted - 10/31/2008 : 19:28:33 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by tomk80
Or the McCain campaign is a disaster and MSNBC and others reflect that. Fox News is biased by downplaying the incompetence of the McCain-Palin ticket. "Fair and balanced"-coverage is an oxymoron. I want fair coverage over balanced coverage. If fair coverage isn't balanced, I don't need balanced coverage. And fair coverage often is not balanced.
Quite frankly, with the divisiveness of the McCain-Palin campaign, calling probably more than half of Americans not "real Americans", it is obvious that these people have no interest in representing the USA as a whole. I don't see how any sane American could support a ticket run such an internally divisive campaign, especially in a time like America is going through now. But than, I'm not an American and I'm at a loss at understanding about half of the USA most of the time.
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I agree completely.
And as I recall, Tom, this is by someone in the Netherlands who belongs to a center-right party, correct?
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
6891 Posts |
Posted - 10/31/2008 : 19:35:54 [Permalink]
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There are rarely two equal sides to every issue or claim. When you give equal time to two sides, when one is obviously in error, you are creating false parity between the two. THAT is bias.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
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"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
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tomk80
SFN Regular
Netherlands
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Posted - 10/31/2008 : 20:11:06 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by HalfMooner
Originally posted by tomk80
Or the McCain campaign is a disaster and MSNBC and others reflect that. Fox News is biased by downplaying the incompetence of the McCain-Palin ticket. "Fair and balanced"-coverage is an oxymoron. I want fair coverage over balanced coverage. If fair coverage isn't balanced, I don't need balanced coverage. And fair coverage often is not balanced.
Quite frankly, with the divisiveness of the McCain-Palin campaign, calling probably more than half of Americans not "real Americans", it is obvious that these people have no interest in representing the USA as a whole. I don't see how any sane American could support a ticket run such an internally divisive campaign, especially in a time like America is going through now. But than, I'm not an American and I'm at a loss at understanding about half of the USA most of the time.
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I agree completely.
And as I recall, Tom, this is by someone in the Netherlands who belongs to a center-right party, correct?
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Very good, although center-right in the Netherlands would probably look a lot like the Obama ticket in America.
My political leanings are shifting though. Mainly due to the credit crisis and the right's attitudes on that in the Netherlands. Those are the parties crying loudest for extreme mitigating measures, which seems hypocritical to me. Celebrating "free" markets as a solution and then being the first to run towards the state for help if it all falls down doesn't go well with me. |
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
USA
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Posted - 11/01/2008 : 10:21:21 [Permalink]
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I'm reminded of this exchange from the Daily Show:JON STEWART: Here's what puzzles me most, Rob. John Kerry's record in Vietnam is pretty much right there in the official records of the US military, and haven't been disputed for 35 years?
ROB CORDDRY: That's right, Jon, and that's certainly the spin you'll be hearing coming from the Kerry campaign over the next few days.
STEWART: Th-that's not a spin thing, that's a fact. That's established.
CORDDRY: Exactly, Jon, and that established, incontrovertible fact is one side of the story.
STEWART: But that should be -- isn't that the end of the story? I mean, you've seen the records, haven't you? What's your opinion?
CORDDRY: I'm sorry, my *opinion*? No, I don't have 'o-pin-i-ons'. I'm a reporter, Jon, and my job is to spend half the time repeating what one side says, and half the time repeating the other. Little thing called 'objectivity' -- might wanna look it up some day.
STEWART: Doesn't objectivity mean objectively weighing the evidence, and calling out what's credible and what isn't?
CORDDRY: Whoa-ho! Well, well, well -- sounds like someone wants the media to act as a filter! 'Ooh, this allegation is spurious! Upon investigation this claim lacks any basis in reality! Mmm, mmm, mmm.' Listen buddy: not my job to stand between the people talking to me and the people listening to me. |
And, from the same show, Rob Corddry's now somewhat famous "the facts are biased, Jon-- the facts have an anti-Bush agenda" |
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Simon
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 11/01/2008 : 11:21:20 [Permalink]
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| Or Steven Colbert's 'Reality has a well known liberal bias'. |
Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there – on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
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Posted - 11/02/2008 : 00:37:41 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Simon
Or Steven Colbert's 'Reality has a well known liberal bias'. |
Six minutes and 42 seconds into part one of the speech (you can miss part two, since Colbert starts tanking, but picks up a bit in part three with his "audition tape" - actually it was Helen Thomas' performance that saved that bit, too).
By the way, perhaps the best thing that came out of Bush-the-Younger's presidency is him laughing at himself (which is what's referred to at the start of part one of Colbert's bit, above). |
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Bias?
