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Mycroft
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 01/20/2009 : 22:36:18 [Permalink]
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I like Davan's take on the inauguration:
http://www.somethingpositive.net/sp01202009.shtml
I had much the same reaction to the poem, only instead of getting all pissed off about it I just stopped watching and made myself a cup of coffee.
I didn't watch much more than the actual swearing in, but Obama did an excellent speech even if he did stumble over the actual oath of office. :) |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
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Posted - 01/20/2009 : 23:04:32 [Permalink]
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| He didn't stumble. Roberts did. |
Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.
Why not question something for a change?
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Chippewa
SFN Regular
USA
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 Posted - 01/21/2009 : 02:28:09 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by The Rat
Obama quote - "We will restore science to its rightful place,..." When I heard that I leapt from my chair, pumped my fist, and let out a WHOOP that might have disturbed the entire neighbourhood.
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I thought that was great too, and he also acknowledged the equality of people without a religion among the religions.  |
Diversity, independence, innovation and imagination are progressive concepts ultimately alien to the conservative mind.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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 Posted - 01/21/2009 : 04:41:24 [Permalink]
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Dude, don't lose all of your cynicism. The down side of the coin is the purveyors of self-serving crap such as this one, whom we can expect to see crawling out of the figurative woodwork like blue-bottle maggots from a rotting carcass. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Pray Obama fails
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Posted: January 19, 2009
1:00 am Eastern
© 2009
Many American Christians believe, as an article of faith, that we are to pray for the success of our leaders.
It has become a sort of conventional wisdom among soft-minded believers. The biblical proof-text for this misguided way of thinking is Romans 13:1-4:
"Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
"Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
"For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
"For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil."
What could be more clear-cut? At face value, it would seem the Bible is telling us government is a God-ordained good and that we are not to resist its terrors.
Many a coward has been bolstered in his conviction against challenging tyranny by not reading too deeply into the Scriptures. Yet, nowhere does the Bible ever suggest evil rulers are to be obeyed. When the rule of men conflicts with the commands of God, the Bible leaves no doubt about where we should stand.
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I'm really not sure what this wanker's point is. But then he's "writing" for WorldNetDaily, so I suppose he doesn't need one.
Anyhow, I think that we can expect to see a lot of this sort of thing. But I wonder, might this noise machine find itself marginalized as Obama's success' grow? A lot of people are good and tired of bullshit, both from the government and the pulpit.
Have to wait & see, I guess.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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The Rat
SFN Regular
Canada
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Posted - 01/21/2009 : 06:41:35 [Permalink]
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| Watching the coverage on CNN I heard them say that it was the first time that a new president had gone right to the helicopter to see off the outgoing president. Good move Mr. Obama, I would want to make sure the bastard is out of town too. It's like going to someone's funeral to ensure that the dirt is tamped down tightly. |
Bailey's second law; There is no relationship between the three virtues of intelligence, education, and wisdom.
You fiend! Never have I encountered such corrupt and foul-minded perversity! Have you ever considered a career in the Church? - The Bishop of Bath and Wells, Blackadder II
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moakley
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 01/21/2009 : 09:44:16 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by HalfMooner
The photos of the fundy nuts' (and I mean certifiably insane) signs and lettered clothing are here. Fascinating that they include "sports nuts" and even "good people" in their list of evildoers.
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"Know your Bible". Heck, I figured the front of his shirt would say, "and the locations of all you can eat buffets". |
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moakley
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 01/21/2009 : 10:08:29 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
Dude, don't lose all of your cynicism. The down side of the coin is the purveyors of self-serving crap such as this one, whom we can expect to see crawling out of the figurative woodwork like blue-bottle maggots from a rotting carcass.
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And from the most vile of the purveyors of self-serving crap "I hope Obama fails."
Sorry Rush, but there are too many rational folks out here who hope for success. This fat fuck needs a stroke that impeds his ability to spew hate. |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
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Posted - 01/21/2009 : 11:42:36 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by moakley
Originally posted by filthy
Dude, don't lose all of your cynicism. The down side of the coin is the purveyors of self-serving crap such as this one, whom we can expect to see crawling out of the figurative woodwork like blue-bottle maggots from a rotting carcass.
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And from the most vile of the purveyors of self-serving crap "I hope Obama fails."
Sorry Rush, but there are too many rational folks out here who hope for success. This fat fuck needs a stroke that impeds his ability to spew hate.
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Ha! What would it mean of Obama's presidency is a success? What would it mean if he leaves the country much better off then when he took his oath of office? What would it mean if we were once again respected by the rest of the world? What would it mean if he leaves us with a thriving economy?
It would mean that Rush was wrong. Apparently, all Rush cares about is himself. He couldn't give a rats ass about the country, and he proved that when he said "I hope Obama fails". What a rotting pile narcissistic garbage he is. |
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Robb
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Posted - 01/21/2009 : 12:20:21 [Permalink]
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From Obama's Speech yesterday:
| our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint. |
Sounds good but is it true? Doesn't our security eminate from our economy, military and the peoples will? Just because we have a just cause, set a good example and are restrained in our responses does not make our country secure. Ideology does not make us secure.
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| and for those who seek to advance their aims by inducing terror and slaughtering innocents, we say to you now that our spirit is stronger and cannot be broken; you cannot outlast us, and we will defeat you. |
Not smart to say since he condones killing innocents before they can be born.
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Simon
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Posted - 01/21/2009 : 12:58:11 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Robb
From Obama's Speech yesterday:
Not smart to say since he condones killing innocents before they can be born. |
That is a stupid thing to say.
He is, obviously, referring to innocent human beings and he, like the majority of the American public, does not consider foetus as such. In fact, if he changed his mind, he would most certainly start considering abortion as murder and start condemning them.
I find it clear that you realize that and are just being disingenuous. |
Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there – on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 01/21/2009 : 13:01:57 [Permalink]
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Sounds good but is it true? Doesn't our security eminate from our economy, military and the peoples will? Just because we have a just cause, set a good example and are restrained in our responses does not make our country secure. Ideology does not make us secure.
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Exactly right! Well said! 
But no, I am not going to get into an endless and pointless abortion argument with you. Sorry, maybe next time.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
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pleco
SFN Addict
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Posted - 01/21/2009 : 13:25:28 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Robb
Not smart to say since he condones killing innocents before they can be born.
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Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man. |
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Robb
SFN Regular
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Posted - 01/21/2009 : 14:27:10 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Simon
Originally posted by Robb
From Obama's Speech yesterday:
Not smart to say since he condones killing innocents before they can be born. |
That is a stupid thing to say.
He is, obviously, referring to innocent human beings and he, like the majority of the American public, does not consider foetus as such. In fact, if he changed his mind, he would most certainly start considering abortion as murder and start condemning them.
I find it clear that you realize that and are just being disingenuous.
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I know. |
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Simon
SFN Regular
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1992 Posts |
Posted - 01/21/2009 : 14:35:55 [Permalink]
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| Then, please, don't engage in such trollish behaviour. It's useless and won't convince anybody and I know from past interactions that you are smart enough to actually enrich the fora rather than disrupt them... |
Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there – on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 01/21/2009 : 15:10:18 [Permalink]
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kil said:
Ha! What would it mean of Obama's presidency is a success? What would it mean if he leaves the country much better off then when he took his oath of office? What would it mean if we were once again respected by the rest of the world? What would it mean if he leaves us with a thriving economy?
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Even if he does all that and more there will be ~22% of the country who will hate him anyway and another 22% who will vote against him anyway.
What he needs to work on doing is convincing that voting block they are wrong on issues, have been mislead/lied to by the conservapundits and talk radio, and get them to moderate their positions on the wedge issues.
But how do you do such a thing? How do you convince Robb that he is wrong, fundamentally wrong, on abortion? I mean, the practice was accepted and widely used for centuries. Herbally before medicinally. It was not frowned upon by any church, and after Roe V Wade in the 70s the Southern Baptist Convention was content with the court's ruling. (They picked up abortion as a highly emotional wedge issue only after Carter forced them to let non-white people attend their private schools). With ALL THAT and more, people like Robb STILL refuse to admit they are wrong on this issue.
The only way we are going to move forward and deal with the real issues facing us (energy, environment, human rights, etc) is if we can convince a fair percentage of Robb's people that they are mistaken.
A task beyond my ability as long as they remain immune to facts, logic, and reality.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
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"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
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