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filthy
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Posted - 02/06/2010 :  06:54:51   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote


Surely there are better topics to debate; like for example, this one.
Scientists say they know how the mind works, but they can't see the mind at work. So all they can do is make pseudoscience guesses that may or mmay not be correct.

I'd like to see this one finished out. But no matter, I suppose. There's no way anyone is going to get an argument out of cantbe that is not an encyclopedia of logical fallacy.




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Dave W.
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Posted - 02/06/2010 :  08:49:39   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse

Originally posted by Dave W.
I see no reason to believe that, especially since blind, deaf mutes don't seem to think less than a fully sensed person.
But they still have tactile sense, smell, and taste.
So you're thinking that a brain can think at full steam until the very last sensory neuron is cut, and then cognition stops?

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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 02/06/2010 :  14:45:57   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Dave W.

Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse

Originally posted by Dave W.
I see no reason to believe that, especially since blind, deaf mutes don't seem to think less than a fully sensed person.
But they still have tactile sense, smell, and taste.
So you're thinking that a brain can think at full steam until the very last sensory neuron is cut, and then cognition stops?

I haven't developed an opinion on that yet. Just thought they seemed left out. When I was reading your post I recalled some musings I read by Massimo Pigliucci (which was posted here on SFN), called "I, robot".

Snagged from here:
Then consider another fascinating example from Damasio’s book. One of his own patients was affected by a bizarre and rather disturbing condition, which provides a stunning insight into the mind-body connection. The man in question suffered occasional episodes during which he would begin to loose the feeling of the lower parts of his body, as if under local anesthesia. The loss of feeling continued gradually upwards throughout the body, until it reached the throat, at which point the man passed out. A similar condition affecting a female patient did not cause her to loose consciousness, despite the frightening experience of no longer feeling her limbs and trunk. Tellingly, this second patient retained a sensation of her internal organs. Damasio suggests the intriguing possibility, based on these and similar cases, that we have a mind only until we have a body sensation of some sort (even highly incomplete, as in the case of the second patient). However, no body immediately means no mind. What more compelling evidence could there be that dualism is dead in its tracks?
It's more about mind-and-body dualism, but it seemed to touch this subject.

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cantbe323
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Posted - 02/09/2010 :  14:18:25   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send cantbe323 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Scientists say they know how the mind works, but they can't see the mind at work. So all they can do is make pseudoscience guesses that may or mmay not be correct.

I'd like to see this one finished out. >>

All neurologists know about brain functions is what they try to image with EEGs CATSCANs, and MRIs, and because the exposed brain disintegrates so fast, and since imaging can't be proven. they're still stuck with earlier educated guesses dated back hundreds of years.

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Dave W.
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Posted - 02/09/2010 :  16:35:43   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by cantbe323

All neurologists know about brain functions is what they try to image with EEGs CATSCANs, and MRIs, and because the exposed brain disintegrates so fast, and since imaging can't be proven. they're still stuck with earlier educated guesses dated back hundreds of years.
Once again demonstrating your ignorance, this time of neuroscience. Doesn't your common sense and experience tell you to avoid pontificating about things that you know little about?

Edited to ask: is our debate over?

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Kil
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Posted - 02/09/2010 :  18:32:57   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
cantbe323:
All neurologists know about brain functions is what they try to image with EEGs CATSCANs, and MRIs, and because the exposed brain disintegrates so fast, and since imaging can't be proven. they're still stuck with earlier educated guesses dated back hundreds of years.

You're wrong.

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R.Wreck
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Posted - 02/10/2010 :  18:46:32   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send R.Wreck a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by cantbe323

Scientists say they know how the mind works, but they can't see the mind at work. So all they can do is make pseudoscience guesses that may or mmay not be correct.

I'd like to see this one finished out. >>

All neurologists know about brain functions is what they try to image with EEGs CATSCANs, and MRIs, and because the exposed brain disintegrates so fast, and since imaging can't be proven. they're still stuck with earlier educated guesses dated back hundreds of years.

cantbe323



Uh oh, fifteen minutes to Wapner.

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Posted - 02/13/2010 :  12:07:56   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send cantbe323 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
All neurologists know about brain functions is what they try to image with EEGs CATSCANs, and MRIs, and because the exposed brain disintegrates so fast, and since imaging can't be proven. they're still stuck with earlier educated guesses dated back hundreds of years.

cantbe323



Uh oh, fifteen minutes to Wapner. >>

Does that mean you're for skepticism or against it? Or are you just trying to be cute?

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filthy
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Posted - 02/13/2010 :  15:32:04   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
"I PAINTED her a gushing thing,
With years perhaps a score;
A little thought to find they were
At least a dozen more;
My fancy gave her eyes of blue,
A curly, auburn head;
I came to find the blue a green
The auburn turned to red.

She boxed my ears this morning--
They tingled very much;
I own that I could wish her
A somewhat lighter touch;
And if you were to ask me how
Her charms might be improved,
I would not have them added to,
But just a few removed!

She has the bear's ethereal grace,
The bland hyena's laugh,
The footstep of the elephant,
The neck of the giraffe.
I love her still, believe me,
Though my heart its passion hides;
"She is all my fancy painted her,"
But, oh, how much besides! "
~~ Lewis Carroll




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R.Wreck
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Posted - 02/14/2010 :  10:59:32   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send R.Wreck a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by cantbe323

All neurologists know about brain functions is what they try to image with EEGs CATSCANs, and MRIs, and because the exposed brain disintegrates so fast, and since imaging can't be proven. they're still stuck with earlier educated guesses dated back hundreds of years.

cantbe323



Uh oh, fifteen minutes to Wapner. >>

Does that mean you're for skepticism or against it? Or are you just trying to be cute?

cantbe323


Cute? I'll have you know, Captain Obtuse, that flattery will get you nowhere with me. Besides, I outgrew cute not too long ago, and can now best be described as "irresistibly sexy, in a George Clooney-esque kind of way".

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cantbe323
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Posted - 02/15/2010 :  17:05:51   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send cantbe323 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Does that mean you're for skepticism or against it? Or are you just trying to be cute?

cantbe323


Cute? I'll have you know, Captain Obtuse, that flattery will get you nowhere with me. Besides, I outgrew cute not too long ago, and can now best be described as "irresistibly sexy, in a George Clooney-esque kind of way". >>

I'm cute too, but in a George Burnsy sort of way.

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filthy
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Posted - 02/15/2010 :  17:15:04   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote









"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)

"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


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cantbe323
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Posted - 02/15/2010 :  18:29:57   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send cantbe323 a Private Message  Reply with Quote


So many stock photos... You must have been in advertising at one time.

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R.Wreck
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Posted - 02/15/2010 :  18:30:28   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send R.Wreck a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by cantbe323

Does that mean you're for skepticism or against it? Or are you just trying to be cute?

cantbe323


Cute? I'll have you know, Captain Obtuse, that flattery will get you nowhere with me. Besides, I outgrew cute not too long ago, and can now best be described as "irresistibly sexy, in a George Clooney-esque kind of way". >>

I'm cute too, but in a George Burnsy sort of way.

cantbe323


Actually, you remind me much more of Curious George.

The foundation of morality is to . . . give up pretending to believe that for which there is no evidence, and repeating unintelligible propositions about things beyond the possibliities of knowledge.
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filthy
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Posted - 02/15/2010 :  18:36:00   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by cantbe323



So many stock photos... You must have been in advertising at one time.

cantbe323

Read my profile, chump.




"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)

"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude

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