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Fripp
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Originally posted by Dave W.
The difference between the "original" state and the "found" state should be obvious. The chamber was found in its "found state," as an air-raid shelter. The museum reconstructed it in an approximation of its "original state," a fact so mind-numbingly obvious to anyone that Dr. Piper is "nonchalant" about it.
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I can already predict that he's going to cry about parsing words. Rudy, if I find a Model T rotting and rusting in a junkyard, that is its "found" state. When i restore said Model t to it's "original" state, that would mean when it was first produced, brand spanking new. Re-read that and move your lips if you need to. |
"What the hell is an Aluminum Falcon?"
"Oh, I'm sorry. I thought my Dark Lord of the Sith could protect a small thermal exhaust port that's only 2-meters wide! That thing wasn't even fully paid off yet! You have any idea what this is going to do to my credit?!?!"
"What? Oh, oh, 'just rebuild it'? Oh, real [bleep]ing original. And who's gonna give me a loan, jackhole? You? You got an ATM on that torso LiteBrite?" |
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Fripp
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Posted - 03/25/2010 : 09:41:49 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Rudolfo
The question - Do you believe that the photo shows people on their way to a gas chamber?
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I'll answer this though you have yet to answer any q's posed to you...
In a word, YES. |
"What the hell is an Aluminum Falcon?"
"Oh, I'm sorry. I thought my Dark Lord of the Sith could protect a small thermal exhaust port that's only 2-meters wide! That thing wasn't even fully paid off yet! You have any idea what this is going to do to my credit?!?!"
"What? Oh, oh, 'just rebuild it'? Oh, real [bleep]ing original. And who's gonna give me a loan, jackhole? You? You got an ATM on that torso LiteBrite?" |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 03/25/2010 : 09:45:39 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Rudolfo
[Sorry Rudolpho, you've yet to present any sort of a convincing case. ]
The link is talking about holes in the roofs of Krema II and III, not Krema I, the one I'm talking about. And besides, cutting and pasting doesn't get it.
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Cutting and pasting works just fine provided reference is given. Did you actually open the link and read the whole thing? Of course not.
And you still have yet to make your case.
Lemmee ask you; was the official testimony of Rudolph Hoess all made up, too?
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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Rudolfo
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Posted - 03/25/2010 : 09:49:33 [Permalink]
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[Cutting and pasting works just fine provided reference is given.]
Yes, you're right... I was off target there... .... however, the stuff you posted does not address the issue of the holes in Krema 1, only the others. There are chutes in Krema 1, and the issue is separate from the holes in the roof argument that applies to the destroyed Kremas that are addressed in the stuff you posted.
And, do you think the photo at ...
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/unaware.html
shows people who are walking to a gas chamber, or not? |
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Fripp
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Posted - 03/25/2010 : 09:51:20 [Permalink]
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| I was re-reading your OP and was planning on debating some of your original claims, but I decided against it. You're not skeptical - you simply don't believe in the Holocaust and you've flat-out said that nothing will change your mind. Fine, you're an f-ing idiot, but that's your right. So, my question is: why are you here? Are you suffering from SIWOTI syndrome? What is your goal? |
"What the hell is an Aluminum Falcon?"
"Oh, I'm sorry. I thought my Dark Lord of the Sith could protect a small thermal exhaust port that's only 2-meters wide! That thing wasn't even fully paid off yet! You have any idea what this is going to do to my credit?!?!"
"What? Oh, oh, 'just rebuild it'? Oh, real [bleep]ing original. And who's gonna give me a loan, jackhole? You? You got an ATM on that torso LiteBrite?" |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 03/25/2010 : 09:51:25 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Rudolfo
I have a question for FRIPP and KIL ....
I don't usually ask questions of individuals, but I now see that it does provide a good way for 'calibrating' other posters .... so I have the following question that is relevant, important, and does not require any research to answer, ......
Have a look at the pictures on the web page ...
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/unaware.html
The question - Do you believe that the photo shows people on their way to a gas chamber?
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Photograph of people who didn't know they were on the way to the gas chambers. Had they known, the SS would have to deal with a control problem, so they went to some lengths to keep them ignorant until it was too late.
Read the entire article the photos came from.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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Rudolfo
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Posted - 03/25/2010 : 09:55:23 [Permalink]
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[Read the entire article the photos came from.]
I am waiting till KIL answers the question before commenting on the answers. Note that I modified my previous response to you. |
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Fripp
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Posted - 03/25/2010 : 09:57:57 [Permalink]
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| I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm waiting with baited(sp?) breath for your "intellectual analysis". In the meantime, I've gotta go to a meeting. Enjoy yourselves |
"What the hell is an Aluminum Falcon?"
"Oh, I'm sorry. I thought my Dark Lord of the Sith could protect a small thermal exhaust port that's only 2-meters wide! That thing wasn't even fully paid off yet! You have any idea what this is going to do to my credit?!?!"
"What? Oh, oh, 'just rebuild it'? Oh, real [bleep]ing original. And who's gonna give me a loan, jackhole? You? You got an ATM on that torso LiteBrite?" |
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Rudolfo
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Posted - 03/25/2010 : 10:01:03 [Permalink]
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[baited(sp?)]
bated .... I looked it up. See, research is a good thing. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 03/25/2010 : 10:01:14 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Rudolfo
[Cutting and pasting works just fine provided reference is given.]
EDITING wait a minute
No it isn't. You have to at least summarize the argument you are making, otherwise I can't know your point. I opened the link and started reading the 'holes in Krema II and III' stuff, which was not the topic of discussion. Krema I is the topic of discussion.
And, do you think the photo at ...
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/unaware.html
shows people who are walking to a gas chamber, or not?
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Yes, that is a photo of people, probably Jews, on their way to the gas chambers. That is documented in the link. The interesting thing here is that these people who were sent directly from transport to the chambers were never registered nor even counted. That too, is in the site you've linked to.
Why should I summarize? It's all there already. I'd suggest reading it.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 03/25/2010 : 10:03:30 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Rudolfo
[baited(sp?)]
bated .... I looked it up. See, research is a good thing.
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Nah, he just means that he has bait-breath. It happens to us all, now & again.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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Posted - 03/25/2010 : 10:07:24 [Permalink]
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Rudolfo:
For example, Kil's questioning of the percentage of Jews in the camps. |
Liar. (I'm calling you a liar because I am assuming that you don't have that much of a comprehension problem. I might be wrong about that.) I did not question the percentage of Jews in the camps. What I questioned was your conflicting statements and your conclusion about the photo's. I questioned what you called a fact even when you did not know that it was a fact, and still can't say with knowledge what those pictures represent, in terms of fueling the narrative. What I posted was clear and deserves a response from you.
And lets make something clear right now. I am David Glück. You know, the guy you contacted to see if this could be an honest debate without name calling. The one who helped you get registered on this site. And yet, from what I see in today's posts of yours, you are the one doing the name calling. I really couldn't give a flying fuck about what you think is stupid. If you think that I am wrong, show me the error in my post. Calling my posts stupid (I am an administrator so that's probably not a wise thing to do) without addressing my posts is hostile behavior, and I will not tolerate it. I have, as yet, not resorted to name calling, until this post. But a lie is a lie.
I suggest that you respond to this post. If you choose to ignore it, I will consider it your inability to answer our questions honestly, and to wave away any question that is inconvenient to your promoting yourself as a real skeptic interested in a real debate on the subject.
You don't get to control this debate. If you want to play in our sandbox, you will play by our rules. Get it?
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Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.
Why not question something for a change?
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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Posted - 03/25/2010 : 10:14:47 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Rudolfo
I have a question for FRIPP and KIL ....
I don't usually ask questions of individuals, but I now see that it does provide a good way for 'calibrating' other posters .... so I have the following question that is relevant, important, and does not require any research to answer, ......
Have a look at the pictures on the web page ...
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/unaware.html
The question - Do you believe that the photo shows people on their way to a gas chamber?
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I can't say with absolute certainty, and neither can you, one way or the other. See filthy's reply. It's a good one. |
Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.
Why not question something for a change?
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Fripp
SFN Regular
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Posted - 03/25/2010 : 11:18:20 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Rudolfo
[baited(sp?)]
bated .... I looked it up. See, research is a good thing.
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That's what I thought but I didn't have the time to look it up. Cut the snide comment crap. |
"What the hell is an Aluminum Falcon?"
"Oh, I'm sorry. I thought my Dark Lord of the Sith could protect a small thermal exhaust port that's only 2-meters wide! That thing wasn't even fully paid off yet! You have any idea what this is going to do to my credit?!?!"
"What? Oh, oh, 'just rebuild it'? Oh, real [bleep]ing original. And who's gonna give me a loan, jackhole? You? You got an ATM on that torso LiteBrite?" |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 03/25/2010 : 11:54:11 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Rudolfo
This is absurd... |
Yes, it is absurd that you think you can misrepresent what's in a video that you're encouraging everyone to watch. It's even more absurd that you think calling my objections to your conclusions absurd is a sufficient rebuttal of my criticisms.| ...and anyone who is interested can watch the video and come to their own conclusion, and that is what I recommend. |
That's what I did, and I concluded that you are lying about what's in the video, you're badly mistaken when you claim that that gas chamber is presented as evidence of the Holocaust, and that you're calling Dr. Piper a liar without an iota of evidence. |
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What is the physical evidence for the holocaust?
