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 Posted - 04/04/2010 : 09:16:30 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Rudolfo
[What's the name of one person who died at the hands of the Jews at Vinnitsa?]
Well, the massacre was committed by the NVKD. The mass grave was excavated, not only by the Nazis, but also by an invited team of international experts, and many of the bodies identified. Thus, many of the names are known, and the proof is the body in the grave. It's a simple matter when the massacre is real. Contrast to this to the holocaust, where there is not a single excavated mass grave, and no one can name a SINGLE gas chamber victim with proof.
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"Including the autopsies already performed by Ukrainian medical personnel in Vinnitsa, 1,670 of the corpses were examined in detail. The identities of 679 of them were established either through documents found in their clothes or through recognition by relatives, who flocked to Vinnitsa from the surrounding countryside when they heard that the graves had been uncovered." |
And you couldn't be bothered to provide a single name. I guess we're supposed to infer, because you didn't answer the question, that the massacre at Vinnitsa did not happen. No names, no massacre. At least, that's the dishonest "logic" behind the Holocaust version of that question. Oh come on, try to answer just one - what are the rules of logic that skeptics use?, what is the name of one person who died in a gas chamber at Auschwitz?, where is one mass grave of holocaust victims?, what is the name of one credible Jewish holocaust witness? One would think that with the whole academic world behind you, you would be able to answer at least one of these questions.
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 Posted - 04/04/2010 : 09:35:00 [Permalink]
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Oh come on, try to answer just one - what are the rules of logic that skeptics use?, what is the name of one person who died in a gas chamber at Auschwitz?, where is one mass grave of holocaust victims?, what is the name of one credible Jewish holocaust witness? One would think that with the whole academic world behind you, you would be able to answer at least one of these questions.
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Sure,why not? How 'bout Hana Brady?
Rudolfo, like your alter ego, you're so easy it's not much fun.
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Dave W.
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Posted - 04/04/2010 : 10:36:40 [Permalink]
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Interesting that CODOH doesn't seem to offer anything about her. Neither does Bradley Smith's own blog, the IHR, revisionists.com or David Duke. Not even to denounce the story, which is now ten years old. Obviously, were I to use deniers' logic, I could say that these prominent people and groups aren't "debunking" the story of Hana Brady because they cannot do so, they know it's the truth.| Rudolfo, like your alter ego, you're so easy it's not much fun. |
By the way, I'm pretty sure they're different people. |
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 04/04/2010 : 11:20:13 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Rudolfo
[What's the name of one person who died at the hands of the Jews at Vinnitsa?]
Well, the massacre was committed by the NVKD. The mass grave was excavated, not only by the Nazis, but also by an invited team of international experts, and many of the bodies identified. Thus, many of the names are known, and the proof is the body in the grave. It's a simple matter when the massacre is real. Contrast to this to the holocaust, where there is not a single excavated mass grave, and no one can name a SINGLE gas chamber victim with proof.
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Yadda, yadda, yadda.
You were asked to provide one name from the alledged massacre at Vinnitsa, but you couldn't do it. Not one single name. So all this other fluff you've posted are just degenerate lies.
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Fripp
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Posted - 04/04/2010 : 11:31:19 [Permalink]
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You're fond of asking questions. So why are you afraid to answer a few?
Like these:
Does a claim require evidence?
Why are we supposed to be skeptical of the Holocaust but we can't be skeptical of you?
Auschwitz. Is it or is it not a concentration camp? If so, what was its purpose and why were the Nazis putting the Jews in there. |
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Posted - 04/04/2010 : 11:44:59 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Interesting that CODOH doesn't seem to offer anything about her. Neither does Bradley Smith's own blog, the IHR, revisionists.com or David Duke. Not even to denounce the story, which is now ten years old. Obviously, were I to use deniers' logic, I could say that these prominent people and groups aren't "debunking" the story of Hana Brady because they cannot do so, they know it's the truth.| Rudolfo, like your alter ego, you're so easy it's not much fun. |
By the way, I'm pretty sure they're different people. |
I admit the possibility but if so, they're conjoined twins -- probably at the head. Neither uses the quote feature, preferring to use punctuation to mark a quote. They are both bughouse on the holocaust and their anti-Jew philosophy. Their writing styles are very similar albeit Rudolfo's is a mite calmer. Indeed, I suspect that neither ever heard of the Jewish Virtual Library until I referenced it some thousands of futile words ago.
In this day and age, when almost everyone is afflicted with a computer, it is easy enough to hitch a ride on a neighbor's. My suspicions, I fear, must remain at least for now.
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Posted - 04/04/2010 : 11:52:37 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Rudolfo
Dantheman is a real person. He has a web site where he offers a large monetary reward for anyone who can produce evidence of a mass grave containing holocaust victims.
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Referring to yourself as a separate individual is not the sign of a healthy mental state. Not that I'm all that surprised. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 04/04/2010 : 12:42:30 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
| I'm pretty sure they're different people. |
I admit the possibility but if so, they're conjoined twins -- probably at the head. Neither uses the quote feature, preferring to use punctuation to mark a quote. They are both bughouse on the holocaust and their anti-Jew philosophy. Their writing styles are very similar albeit Rudolfo's is a mite calmer. |
Look, a few similarities between a couple of guys when there are thousands of Holocaust deniers in the world isn't enough to pin down anything, especially when to me, their posting styles are radically different (and dantheman did use the quote feature).
Rudolfo has just recently given up dantheman as Greg Gerdes, something Mooner suspected. The only hints I can find that Rudolfo might also be Greg Gerdes is that both are Holocaust deniers and both use really bad logic. But if that's enough for any sort of positive ID, then hundreds or thousands of people on the Web are Greg Gerdes, and I don't think there are enough hours in a day for that to be true.
Plus, I have behind-the-scenes info which would put the final nail in the coffin of that hypothesis, if I weren't bound by privacy issues. If they're the same guy, then he's putting in a lot of work. And for what? What would it gain Greg Gerdes to call a bunch of anonymous people on the Web idiots? Surely he's got bigger fish to fry. |
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filthy
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Posted - 04/04/2010 : 13:03:39 [Permalink]
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It is true that you are deeper into it than I and would know more about it. I'll just wait and see what transpires.
No matter either way, really; he's fun to pick apart in any event.
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Rudolfo
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Posted - 04/05/2010 : 05:23:20 [Permalink]
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And you couldn't be bothered to provide a single name.
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It's not possible to respond rationally to most of the 'skeptics' statements or questions, just as it is impossible to respond to a grunt, or a string of nonsense syllables. That is to say, it takes a certain awareness of context to generate even a stupid statement, for which I do have a standard reply, and I'm happy to say that you have managed to clear that hurdle, your statement transcends a grunt, and does qualify as stupid, congratulations 
My standard reply to obviously stupid statements is an uncannily accurate quote that I saw somewhere, can't recall where, it is ...
"The more I argued with them, the better I came to know their dialectic. First they counted on the stupidity of their adversary, and then, when there was no other way out, they themselves simply played stupid."
Thanks, I've been waiting a while to use that, and a 'skeptic' finally managed to rise to the requisite level of stupidity.
It is possible to respond rationally to stupid statements, but, not worth the bother, so I won't.
Now, if I had been a 'skeptic' maybe I would have studied the Vinnitsa massacre for a moment, and I'm sure I would have managed to find eyewitness testimony from a Wehrmacht Lieutenant Edwin Bingel proving that the massacre was carried out by the SS and the victims were Jews ... quoting ...
"A shower of bullets was then fired at this human mass. Those not hit outright were struck down with the swords. Like some ghostly apparition, this horde of Ukrainians, let loose and commanded by SS officers, trampled savagely over human bodies, ruthlessly killing innocent children, mothers and old people whose only crime was that they had escaped the great mass murder, so as eventually to be shot or beaten to death like wild animals.”
But, that, of course, is just more holocaust phantasmagoria.
And, I am patiently waiting - what are the rules of logic that skeptics use?, what is the name of one person who died in a gas chamber at Auschwitz?, where is one mass grave of holocaust victims?, what is the name of one credible Jewish holocaust witness? One would think that with the whole academic world behind you, you would be able to answer at least one of these questions.
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filthy
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Posted - 04/05/2010 : 06:32:00 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Rudolfo
And you couldn't be bothered to provide a single name.
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It's not possible to respond rationally to most of the 'skeptics' statements or questions, just as it is impossible to respond to a grunt, or a string of nonsense syllables. That is to say, it takes a certain awareness of context to generate even a stupid statement, for which I do have a standard reply, and I'm happy to say that you have managed to clear that hurdle, your statement transcends a grunt, and does qualify as stupid, congratulations
My standard reply to obviously stupid statements is an uncannily accurate quote that I saw somewhere, can't recall where, it is ...
"The more I argued with them, the better I came to know their dialectic. First they counted on the stupidity of their adversary, and then, when there was no other way out, they themselves simply played stupid."
Thanks, I've been waiting a while to use that, and a 'skeptic' finally managed to rise to the requisite level of stupidity.
It is possible to respond rationally to stupid statements, but, not worth the bother, so I won't.
Now, if I had been a 'skeptic' maybe I would have studied the Vinnitsa massacre for a moment, and I'm sure I would have managed to find eyewitness testimony from a Wehrmacht Lieutenant Edwin Bingel proving that the massacre was carried out by the SS and the victims were Jews ... quoting ...
"A shower of bullets was then fired at this human mass. Those not hit outright were struck down with the swords. Like some ghostly apparition, this horde of Ukrainians, let loose and commanded by SS officers, trampled savagely over human bodies, ruthlessly killing innocent children, mothers and old people whose only crime was that they had escaped the great mass murder, so as eventually to be shot or beaten to death like wild animals.”
But, that, of course, is just more holocaust phantasmagoria.
And, I am patiently waiting - what are the rules of logic that skeptics use?, what is the name of one person who died in a gas chamber at Auschwitz?, where is one mass grave of holocaust victims?, what is the name of one credible Jewish holocaust witness? One would think that with the whole academic world behind you, you would be able to answer at least one of these questions.
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Hana Brady was a Jew who died at Asuchwitz, executed in the gas chambers on 23 October 1944.
Do you even bother to read the posts of others? I already know that you refuse to open links, probably for fear of learning just how wrong you are.
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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
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Rudolfo
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Posted - 04/05/2010 : 06:41:04 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
Hana Brady was a Jew who died at Asuchwitz, executed in the gas chambers on 23 October 1944.
Do you even bother to read the posts of others? I already know that you refuse to open links, probably for fear of learning just how wrong you are.
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Oops, I confess I stopped reading your posts, not purposefully, just bored by the incessant drivel. 
But, I do see you coughed up a name, but the link doesn't give any evidence at all. So, I'll assume there is none until proven otherwise. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 04/05/2010 : 07:03:08 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Rudolfo
Originally posted by filthy
Hana Brady was a Jew who died at Asuchwitz, executed in the gas chambers on 23 October 1944.
Do you even bother to read the posts of others? I already know that you refuse to open links, probably for fear of learning just how wrong you are.
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Oops, I confess I stopped reading your posts, not purposefully, just bored by the incessant drivel.
But, I do see you coughed up a name, but the link doesn't give any evidence at all. So, I'll assume there is none until proven otherwise.
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What evidence would please you; her scalp? Her suitcase? You're just playing silly games; documentary evidence has been presented you that you willfully choose to ignore with a wave and an insult.
You call the posts of others drivel, yet we have seen nothing but the same from you. What's the name for that again....?
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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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Dave W.
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Posted - 04/05/2010 : 08:48:06 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Rudolfo
And you couldn't be bothered to provide a single name.
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It's not possible to respond rationally to most of the 'skeptics' statements or questions, just as it is impossible to respond to a grunt, or a string of nonsense syllables. That is to say, it takes a certain awareness of context to generate even a stupid statement, for which I do have a standard reply, and I'm happy to say that you have managed to clear that hurdle, your statement transcends a grunt, and does qualify as stupid, congratulations |
So when Bradley Smith demands the name of a single person gassed at Auschwitz, you think it's a good challenge and logically sound. When the same is asked of you, for the name of a single victim at Vinnitsa, you think it's stupid. Thank you for displaying your hypocrisy for all to see, once again.My standard reply to obviously stupid statements is an uncannily accurate quote that I saw somewhere, can't recall where, it is ...
"The more I argued with them, the better I came to know their dialectic. First they counted on the stupidity of their adversary, and then, when there was no other way out, they themselves simply played stupid." |
That's Adolph Hitler, from Mein Kampf, talking about Marxist Jews.| Thanks, I've been waiting a while to use that, and a 'skeptic' finally managed to rise to the requisite level of stupidity. |
Awwwwww... Good for you! Please use a tissue or something to wipe up the evidence of your excitement. You might ask your mom to wash those pants twice.| It is possible to respond rationally to stupid statements, but, not worth the bother, so I won't. |
I'll take this to mean that you cannot provide the name of even a single person who died at Vinnitsa, yet for some reason, I'm supposed to not only agree that the massacre happened, but I'm supposed to believe that it was caused by Soviet Jews.| Now, if I had been a 'skeptic' maybe I would have studied the Vinnitsa massacre for a moment... |
But you aren't, and you haven't, because you can't even prove it happened to the standards you expect other people to meet. We're supposed to believe Vinnitsa happened, just on your say-so, yet be skeptical of the Holocaust. Go figure. |
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Fripp
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Posted - 04/05/2010 : 09:37:29 [Permalink]
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Rudy, when are you going to address your numerous and repeated hypocrisies as cataloged by Dave above?
To all, this is more of a rhetorical question, but how are all these 'skeptics' so blind to their own hypocrisies, as blatantly obvious as they are? I readily admit that I will, on one hand, point out ad hominem attacks, then turn around and call a person a 'gutless turd' for example. My only rational (flimsy as it may be) is that I am patient and respectful to a point. But when someone REFUSES to answer a few simple questions that have been asked ad infinitum, continues to rudely ignore me, and gets insulted that i dare question him, then I feel he doesn't deserve my respect.
I feel that everyone has contradictions in their lives, their philosophies.
Dave, nice catch on the Mein Kampf quote. This speaks volumes about Rudy, specifically that he is a neo-Nazi to begin with, thus only 'sees' "facts" that support his pre-conceived notions. |
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