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 Posted - 04/11/2010 : 03:07:18 [Permalink]
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"Hook him, book him, cook him!"
UN judge calls for prosecution of Pope Benedict
By Stephen C. Webster
Saturday, April 10th, 2010 -- 4:56 pm
Geoffrey Robertson, a renowned human rights lawyer and United Nations jurist, wants to see Pope Benedict put on trial for allegedly protecting predator priests.
In a Guardian UK piece making its rounds this week in Catholic circles, Robertson demanded the pope be "put in the dock" so that the church might "feel the full weight of international law" over its thousands of pedophilia scandals.
The pope's conduct, he said, "amounted to the criminal offence of aiding and abetting sex with minors," making Benedict a justifiable target for either the International Criminal Court or a British court acting under the legal principal of universal jurisdiction.
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I don't look for anything like this to come to pass however desirable it might be to have the Church's top scumbags accept responsibility like us ordinary mortals, but it'd certainly be great if it did. We'll just have to be satisfied with constantly embarrassing the corrupt bastards at every turn, and hope that Ratzinger breaks his fucking neck on a Vatican staircase.
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filthy
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 Posted - 04/12/2010 : 06:16:36 [Permalink]
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Quell surprise!
It's all the fault of them dirty, stinkin' Jews! It's them that are causing the Pope's hump to get busted over covering up a little priestly fun & games. Fuckin' God-killers!
The accusation was a long time coming out again, but I suspect it's been ever close to the heart of the Church for lo, these many centuries.
A furious transatlantic row has erupted over quotes that were attributed to a retired Italian bishop, which suggested that Jews were behind the current criticism of the Catholic church's record on tackling clerical sex abuse.
A website quoted Giacomo Babini, the emeritus bishop of Grosseto, as saying he believed a "Zionist attack" was behind the criticism, considering how "powerful and refined" the criticism is.
The comments, which have been denied by the bishop, follow a series of statements from Catholic churchmen alleging the existence of plots to weaken the church and Pope Benedict XVI.
Allegedly speaking to the Catholic website Pontifex, Babini, 81, was quoted as saying: "They do not want the church, they are its natural enemies. Deep down, historically speaking, the Jews are God killers."
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This could get interesting. Historically speaking, the Jews have been everybody's favorite scapegoat, but today, they are not so easy to condemn out-of-hand. Today, to many Goyim side with them.-
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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Posted - 04/12/2010 : 10:22:58 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
Quell surprise!
It's all the fault of them dirty, stinkin' Jews! It's them that are causing the Pope's hump to get busted over covering up a little priestly fun & games. Fuckin' God-killers!
The accusation was a long time coming out again, but I suspect it's been ever close to the heart of the Church for lo, these many centuries.
A furious transatlantic row has erupted over quotes that were attributed to a retired Italian bishop, which suggested that Jews were behind the current criticism of the Catholic church's record on tackling clerical sex abuse.
A website quoted Giacomo Babini, the emeritus bishop of Grosseto, as saying he believed a "Zionist attack" was behind the criticism, considering how "powerful and refined" the criticism is.
The comments, which have been denied by the bishop, follow a series of statements from Catholic churchmen alleging the existence of plots to weaken the church and Pope Benedict XVI.
Allegedly speaking to the Catholic website Pontifex, Babini, 81, was quoted as saying: "They do not want the church, they are its natural enemies. Deep down, historically speaking, the Jews are God killers."
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This could get interesting. Historically speaking, the Jews have been everybody's favorite scapegoat, but today, they are not so easy to condemn out-of-hand. Today, to many Goyim side with them.-
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And here I'd thought that blaming the children was the low point in the Vatican's "defensive" spin. Silly me. I should have known better. Traditionally, blaming the Christ-killing Jews is the Church's old standby. |
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Posted - 04/12/2010 : 10:26:29 [Permalink]
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| So much for the argument that Vatican bureaucracy is always slow and cautious to act. |
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Posted - 04/12/2010 : 10:44:16 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by HalfMooner
So much for the argument that Vatican bureaucracy is always slow and cautious to act. |
Well, to be fair, the Holy See had had its eye on that guy for some time, because he'd gotten married himself (they let him back in the club as soon as he admitted that his marriage was invalid) and was doing some other odd stuff. It wasn't like he just decided to ordain some married bishops on a whim one day. |
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Posted - 04/12/2010 : 10:53:25 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by HalfMooner
So much for the argument that Vatican bureaucracy is always slow and cautious to act. |
Well, to be fair, the Holy See had had its eye on that guy for some time, because he'd gotten married himself (they let him back in the club as soon as he admitted that his marriage was invalid) and was doing some other odd stuff. It wasn't like he just decided to ordain some married bishops on a whim one day. |
I find it's shocking to discover the Church has flakes like that in high office. |
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filthy
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Posted - 04/12/2010 : 12:12:33 [Permalink]
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But of course! It's ok to do a little petty buggery with the children of the Church, as long as you don't make the newspapers, but a grave infraction to allow priests to legally get married and by extension, laid like everyone else. Can't have that, now can we? After all, the Church is the Bride of Christ and it's priests getting some nooky in the regular & approved manner is cheating on the Trinity -- damn, y'know what, I've never really understood that "Trinity" hogwash. I'd always been told that Christianity was monotheistic. It's all very confusing, but that's what keeps religions in business; their translators.
I've read that a part of the problem is that the police are hesitant to hassle priests whatever the complaint. They often go to the Church and discuss it with the Bishop, who will tell them that it's a matter for the Church and will be handled accordingly. And here we go, 'round again. 
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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 Posted - 04/13/2010 : 03:39:06 [Permalink]
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Great minds think alike! Dawkins and Hitchens are investigating ways and means for getting ol; Benny busted the next time the kiddie-groper enabling bastard visits England.
Adelaide Writers Festival. Picture: Kelly Barnes Source: The Australian
ATHEIST campaigner Richard Dawkins has vowed to arrest the Pope for crimes against humanity.
Professor Dawkins has hired a team of lawyers to see if Pope Benedict XVI can be charged over his handling of the sexual abuse scandal engulfing the Roman Catholic Church, according to The Sunday Times.
Professor Dawkins, who wrote The God Delusion, claims that the Pope has shielded paedophile priests from the authorities.
However, he and fellow writer Christopher Hitchens believe they can make a case for arresting the Pope during the Pope's planned visit to Britain in September.
Among the human rights lawyers they have hired is Australian-born barrister Geoffrey Robertson.
They do not believe the Pope will be able to claim diplomatic immunity because he is not recognised as a head of state by the United Nations.
"This is a man whose first instinct when his priests are caught with their pants down is to cover up the scandal and damn the young victims to silence," Professor Dawkins said.
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At this point in time, I don't think it's gonna happen, but wouldn't be grand if it did?
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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 Posted - 04/13/2010 : 08:23:24 [Permalink]
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Dawkins analogy is spot on: Richard Dawkins in the Guardian
Suppose the British secretary of state for schools received, from a local education authority, a reliable report of a teacher tying up his pupils and raping them. Imagine that, instead of turning the matter over to the police, he had simply moved the offender from school to school, where he repeatedly raped other children. That would be bad enough. But now suppose that he justified his decision in terms such as these:
"Although I regard the arguments in favour of prosecution, presented by the local education authority, as of grave significance, I nevertheless deem it necessary to consider the good of the government and the party, together with that of the offending teacher. And I am also unable to make light of the detriment that prosecuting the offender can provoke among voters, particularly regarding the young age of the offender."
The analogy breaks down, only in that we aren't talking about a single offending priest, but many thousands, all over the world. |
Edit: I see now that the child molester priest in this particular case, Stephen Kiesle, where Ratzinger was involved was already convicted of the crime when the requests were made to Ratzinger to defrock him (1981 to 1985). So some of Dawkins points are not valid in this case.
Kiesle was defrocked in 1987.
Timeline of defrocked priest Stephen Kiesle |
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Posted - 04/13/2010 : 12:06:02 [Permalink]
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Posted - 04/14/2010 : 02:14:21 [Permalink]
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Now the Vatican's Number Two man, Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, is blaming teh gays, saying that the little child-raping problem of the Church stems from homosexuality, not from the Church's celibacy rules:
Vatican comment on paedophiles draws gay groups' anger
Gay rights activists have criticised a Vatican official who sought to link homosexuality to paedophilia when commenting on child sex abuse scandals.
The UK's Stonewall group said it was astonishing gay people should still be dealing with "such an offensive myth".
Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone had said homosexuality, not celibacy, lay behind the child sex abuse scandals.
The cardinal, the Vatican's foreign minister, was speaking in Chile, where his comments were also condemned.
Cardinal Bertone was attempting to defuse the scandals currently afflicting the Catholic Church, which are largely cases of priests molesting children, mainly boys, the BBC's David Willey reports from Rome.
He added that some "surprising" initiatives regarding the sex abuse scandal would soon be revealed but did not elaborate.
'I have the documents'
Visiting the Chilean capital Santiago on Monday, Cardinal Bertone told a news conference: "Many psychologists, many psychiatrists have demonstrated that there is no relationship between celibacy and paedophilia but many others have demonstrated, I was told recently, that there is a relationship between homosexuality and paedophilia.
"That is true. I have the documents of the psychologists. That is the problem."
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In rough summary to date: The Vatican is blaming the untold thousands of child rapes on flirtatious, gossiping, satanically controlled, money-grubbing, pubescent, atheist, Jewish choirboys, and a few rotten-apple queer priests that somehow managed to slip past the Church's careful vetting process.
Again, the Vatican's execrable PR spin continues to dig a deeper and deeper hole. I hope they are leaving a neat pile of dirt near their excavation, so someone can shovel it in on top of them once it's deep enough. |
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Posted - 04/17/2010 : 14:25:34 [Permalink]
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Okay, it turns out I'm not the only one who's noticing the self-destructive nature of the Vatican's PR spin on its child-raping priests and the Princes of the Church who love them. Catholic observers have noticed, too: Why the Vatican media strategy is failing
The Vatican's handling of child abuse allegations has been called into question, following a senior cardinal's suggestion of a link between homosexuality and paedophilia.
Gerard O'Connell of the British Catholic newspaper The Universe says the Church's attempts to defend itself often just cause more damage.
Where is the Vatican's media strategy going wrong?
Pope Benedict XVI has been caught in the eye of the cyclone for several weeks, battered by accusations from lawyers and victims in Germany, the USA and elsewhere that he and senior Vatican officials have badly mismanaged or sought to cover up serious cases of abuse, and protected abuser priests.
These accusations - if not fully answered or firmly rebutted in timely fashion - are particularly damaging to the Catholic Church's credibility and image, as well as to the moral authority of the Pope and of the Holy See on the world stage.
But the Vatican has struggled to defend him from the daily drip-drip of damaging revelations, and many questioned its communications strategy.
'Shooting the messenger'
When I asked John L Allen, the American Catholic commentator on the Vatican, why its media strategy was failing, he responded:
"As soon as I see that they have a strategy, I will answer you! The fact is, they don't have one, and that is where they are going wrong."
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To be fair, in a sense we can't blame the Vatican for their bad press. They are in an impossible situation. As long as they dance around with denials, scapegoats, and fake promises of reform, at least the most credulous Catholics will believe them and think the Pope remains infallible. But if they admit their complicity in enabling pedophilia and in protecting priests from the law -- even if they vow reform -- they are exposed as the lowlifes they are.
Plus, the Church is desperate to retain its priests. Since they exclude women and married priests, and obstinately require (nominal) celibacy, they need to retain every pedophile priest they have. They can't even afford to insult them too much. It's gotten to the point that the Catholic Church is essentially a church of pedophilia, and it cannot change its stripes. |
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The Pope should resign!
