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moakley
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 Posted - 03/02/2011 : 13:33:10 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by le Penseur
moakley:
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No, Moakley, the second encounter has us asleep many hours later, AFTER the stressful and exhaustive abduction. That's the same as me saying to you, Moakley, that nothing you thought you did yesterday really happened, because you went to sleep afterwards. Lol You only dreamed it! It's a desperate-sounding excuse.
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The second encounter had you falling into a deep deep sleep soon after being left by your abductors.
... I went inside, it was now getting dark, which in February is like 5 in the afternoon, and I tried to get my brother to talk about what had just happened, but he fell asleep in front of me on the couch. I followed him , falling into a deep deep sleep.
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My explanation simply suggests that this encounter occurred during that sleep rather than just prior. Time as perceived in a dream does not necessarily translate to actual time past. I do not doubt the sincerity of your belief. I present this as just an alternate plausible explanation and I'm surprised that you so strongly object to it since you "consider yourself quite skeptical". Something that you seem surprised, even angered, by the fact that a skeptic forum would suggest.
This is probably not your ideal support group.
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moakley
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Posted - 03/02/2011 : 13:34:24 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by bngbuck
Kil.....
Kil, please ...
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 03/02/2011 : 13:52:57 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by bngbuck
Filthy....
| Ever hear of the "Me-Too syndrome?" That is where someone else wants a piece of the action whether he/she was involved or not. |
Yes. I have been interested by that phenomenon for a very long time. It has important commercial applications.
But I am confused a bit by your comment, Filth. Who is the "me" as the syndrome applies to the current boring thread situation?
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C'mon Bucky, you're not that senile yet. Obviously the "Me" is the one who wants to be a "Too" in the story. There are many. We all love a little limelight and even I am not immune. That's why I happily did wildlife presentations. That was "Me." The presentations I gave; nobody wanted to be a "Too." 
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Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
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bngbuck
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Posted - 03/02/2011 : 13:57:46 [Permalink]
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Dr. Mabuse.....
| if you hadn't fanned the flames and provided gas while pretending to be le Penseur friend. |
| including le Penseur who is an innocent bystander to your personal vendetta against Dave. W, H. Humbert, and Dude. |
| You've been doing le Penseur a disfavour with your attempt at running interference on his behalf. Like a bad sports commentator, you've been trying to explain to le Penseur what we are trying to do even though everything we write is right here for him to see. You must believe le Penseur is daft beyond measure because the level of your commenting makes me believe you think he's a pre-teen, or a retarded person who has to have everything explained to him. |
But le Penseur didn't know, so you've poisoned his mind with lies about Dave. You've take every opportunity to bait, then act victim in order to get le Penseur's sympathy. This all is so fucking dishonest.
I'm actually surprised that le Penseur hasn't caught on to your game yet, because I think he should be offended by it. |
Well, thank you for your correction Dr. Mabuse. I stand excoriated.
But as far as Le Penseur is concerned, I would like to let him have an opportunity to express his own views on the matters you have discussed above. So Le Penseur, would you please express your agreement or disagreement with the charges leveled above? I am certain that you are completely competent to form and voice your own opinions and judgment, completely independent of influence from me, Dr. Mabuse, Dave, Humbert, or anyone, for that matter.
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 03/02/2011 : 14:11:16 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
Bill, how hollow your words ring. I don't believe for a second that you're sincere. Not anymore. |
Of course he isn't sincere. He began his "apology" to me with: "Hummer, to use a address of affection from long ago..." Hummer, of course, being an address of ridicule I long ago asked him to stop using.
bngbuck fancies himself a grand manipulator, able to get a rise out of members by getting in subtle digs or even outright lying about them, but then backing off by kissing Kil's ass and giving him the sad puppy eyes. Considering the number of times we've had to sit through this stale performance, the fact that bngbuck thinks we still can't see through his song and dance act by now further cements my opinion that he holds all of us here at the SFN in extremely low regard. Poisoning new members against the staff and membership is simply a new low in a long history of disrespect and calculated agitation. He adds nothing positive to the discourse here.
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Hawks
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Posted - 03/02/2011 : 14:51:04 [Permalink]
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| Isn't "Do they have Elvis?" an intelligent question? |
METHINKS IT IS LIKE A WEASEL
It's a small, off-duty czechoslovakian traffic warden! |
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bngbuck
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Posted - 03/02/2011 : 14:55:35 [Permalink]
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Filthy....
Senility is as senility does. Looks like that was a pretty stupid question. | Obviously the "Me" is the one who wants to be a "Too" in the story. There are many. We all love a little limelight and even I am not immune. |
So it is possible that the phenomenon we are witnessing here is primarily just a lot of wannabes climbing on the showboat? And one that might sink at any moment, at that!
What do you think? |
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Dude
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Posted - 03/02/2011 : 15:21:32 [Permalink]
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bng said:
So it is possible that the phenomenon we are witnessing here is primarily just a lot of wannabes climbing on the showboat? And one that might sink at any moment, at that!
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If you are talking about alien abduction, then yes. If you are talking about any of the other things going on in this thread, then no.
I think that wisdom is an aquired trait, and that you stopped aquiring it before the point most people learn that silence is sometimes the best option.
Still waiting for your reply in the moonwalker thread too. Do me a favor, spare me your typical verbosity and be concise, leave out all the bullshit that you are so hypocritically complaining about at the moment, and just answer my question.
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bngbuck
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Posted - 03/02/2011 : 15:25:48 [Permalink]
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Hummer.....
| further cements my opinion that he holds all of us here at the SFN in extremely low regard. |
No, actually it's really just a few.... Like you.
But I really like Filthy and Mooner and Kil, of course, or else I wouldn't kiss his ass. Ever kiss anybody's ass that you didn't like, Hummer? Happens all the time in business. But you sure can make a lot of money that way.
Actually, I don't see or hear enough from most of the 20 or 30 active members of SFN to have anything but a neutral opinion. Those who have childish tempers, really do irritate me. Give Dude credit, he certainly had a much larger problem in anger management a few years ago. He's pretty sober nowadays. His current pas de deux with Le Penseur is a puppyfight compared to what Dude was capable of unleashing a few years ago.
I'll give Mabuse a pass in the high/low regard department. Too much evidence that he really is a pretty good guy. We all have our bad days. Hope you have a better one soon.
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le Penseur
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Posted - 03/02/2011 : 15:26:33 [Permalink]
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Hawks:
What an insightful question. Yes, They do have Elvis, but thanks to their advanced technology they have the early Elvis, the young, pretty, androgenous Elvis, not the old, bloated, joke of Las Vegas Elvis. |
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le Penseur
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Posted - 03/02/2011 : 15:49:38 [Permalink]
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Moakley [quote][My explanation simply suggests that this encounter occurred during that sleep rather than just prior. /quote]
And my response to you was to simply suggest that everything YOU remember happenning yesterday occurred during your sleep last night rather than just prior.
Sound reasonable to you? |
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bngbuck
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Posted - 03/02/2011 : 15:57:32 [Permalink]
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Dude.....
| I think that wisdom is an aquired trait, and that you stopped aquiring it |
Wiki states that "A standard philosophical definition says that wisdom consists of making the best use of knowledge"
I'm 82 years old, I have acquired a great deal of, largely miscellaneous, but extremely diverse knowledge. I am quite healthy and extremely happy in my circumstances which I have been able to create by application of some of the knowledge I have learned. I am moderately wealthy by most conventional standards. I have two excellent children and an extremely happy 52 year old marriage, and today I do almost anything that I damn well please. Also, I am lazy and moderately hedonistic.
Is my current lifestyle and existence condition "making the best use of knowledge"?
Am I wise? I really don't know, but perhaps you can teach me Dude. I would prefer you do that instead of endless pestering about your silly preoccupation with green fairies. Wisdom is indeed a life goal worthy of pursuit from life's beginning to life's end.
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le Penseur
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Posted - 03/02/2011 : 16:52:31 [Permalink]
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Le Penseur, would you please express your agreement or disagreement with the charges leveled above? I am certain that you are completely competent to form and voice your own opinions and judgment, completely independent of influence from me, Dr. Mabuse, Dave, Humbert, or anyone, for that matter.
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Not sure what you're asking me here, I really haven't been paying attention to whatever you guys are arguing about. I will say that I've been welcomed with a far warmer reception than I received at the LAST skeptics forum I chose to share my experiences! Though, not much in the way of intelligent questions or responses. A few.
At first, I thought Dave W. was going to nothing but trouble, but he's been fine, actually asked some of the most interesting questions here. I don't think Dr Mabuse has addressed my experiences once. "Dude" turned out to be less than intellectually honest, so I had to stop responding to him. Moakley is probably not far behind, based on his weak excuses.
The rest of you seem fine, for the kind of people you might meet in a clubhouse of denial.
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moakley
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Posted - 03/02/2011 : 17:21:30 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by le Penseur
Moakley | My explanation simply suggests that this encounter occurred during that sleep rather than just prior. |
And my response to you was to simply suggest that everything YOU remember happenning yesterday occurred during your sleep last night rather than just prior.
Sound reasonable to you?
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Sure it would be had my day included a highly improbable event. I'd be willing to consider a number of other reasonable explanations as well. But yesterday I worked for 10 hours, drove for 90 minutes, talked to my wife, worked out, showered, and went to bed. No extraordinary events, so I have made no extraordinary claims about the events of my day. Not much that would require explanation. Certainly nothing that a forum full of skeptics would have any reason to doubt. Hell I'm bored just thinking about it.
I know you are sincere, but there is nothing special about the details of your encounter. You are just one of many who believe, without a doubt, that you have been abducted. But just like the other 3 million (estimate) alien abductees you have no evidence.
I'm not sure why you would expect a different response, especially here. |
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Dude
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Posted - 03/02/2011 : 17:23:01 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by le Penseur
Le Penseur, would you please express your agreement or disagreement with the charges leveled above? I am certain that you are completely competent to form and voice your own opinions and judgment, completely independent of influence from me, Dr. Mabuse, Dave, Humbert, or anyone, for that matter.
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Not sure what you're asking me here, I really haven't been paying attention to whatever you guys are arguing about. I will say that I've been welcomed with a far warmer reception than I received at the LAST skeptics forum I chose to share my experiences! Though, not much in the way of intelligent questions or responses. A few.
At first, I thought Dave W. was going to nothing but trouble, but he's been fine, actually asked some of the most interesting questions here. I don't think Dr Mabuse has addressed my experiences once. "Dude" turned out to be less than intellectually honest, so I had to stop responding to him. Moakley is probably not far behind, based on his weak excuses.
The rest of you seem fine, for the kind of people you might meet in a clubhouse of denial.
Fine Folk indeed.
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I'm changing my mind here. I no longer think you are a delusional idiot with a bad case of "too stupid to realize how stupid you are".
With this post you move yourself firmly into troll territory. You refuse to engage the topic, you constantly change your "story", refuse to provide any mechanism to tell your fairy tale apart from other fairy tales, refuse to answer questions meaningfully, and instead you throw down with arrogance, fake anger, insult, and intentional provocation.
Good luck with that.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth |
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