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le Penseur
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 Posted - 03/03/2011 : 01:41:19 [Permalink]
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Humbert : | I don't know of any photos or videos of aliens either. Do you? |
Alien SHIPS, hell yeah, I see many that I feel are absolutely genuine alien ships. We even took some ourselves. There are far fewer photos/videos of aliens that I feel may be genuine, but I have seen a few. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 03/03/2011 : 03:43:02 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by le Penseur
Humbert : | I don't know of any photos or videos of aliens either. Do you? |
Alien SHIPS, hell yeah, I see many that I feel are absolutely genuine alien ships. We even took some ourselves. There are far fewer photos/videos of aliens that I feel may be genuine, but I have seen a few.
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References & links, please. Also, you might consider posting some of your own photos in here.
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Dave W.
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Posted - 03/03/2011 : 04:01:18 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by le Penseur
People have watched a lot of sci-fi films about zombies, too. Why isn't it equally common to hear "zombies did it".? |
Because zombies are just slow scary things that eat people. They don't abduct people, they don't have telepathy, they don't mind-control the living and they certainly don't have nearly magical technologies with which to either aid or conquer humanity. There's plenty of room for romanticizing alien contact (and even abductions), but with zombies, nearly everyone agrees that the best course of action is a double-tap to the head.
On the other hand, Haiti has a rich zombie tradition in which it is much more common to hear, "zombies did it." It all comes down to culture.| Vampires are more popular in the culture than aliens and zombies put together. |
Only recently.| But you don't hear anyone claiming to be abducted by vampires. |
Because vampires don't abduct people. Get the mythology correct. There are plenty of people who claim to be vampires (and a subset of them really believe it).| Same reason there are not thousands upon thousands of photographs and videos taken by witnesses of zombies and vampires. |
Again, the mythology gets in the way. Especially with vampires, who supposedly don't appear in mirrors (so why would a camera fare better?).
Let's look at popular culture. Zombie movies didn't really take off until 1968's Night of the Living Dead (I count 48 movies before then). Many early vampire movies and TV shows were about one particular vampire, but there were 191 of them by 1968 (if you include all the episodes of The Munsters).
But by the late '60s, there had been several hundred movies and TV shows released all over the world on the subject of space aliens, many wildly popular. 1951 gave us The Day the Earth Stood Still. 1953 had Invaders from Mars and It Came from Outer Space (both with aliens that controlled human behavior) and the classic The War of the Worlds. 1955's The Beast with a Million Eyes also had a mind-controlling alien. In 1956, Gerald McBoing! Boing! got abducted by aliens and taken to planet Moo in a seven-minute animation which was nominated for an Oscar. Amusingly, 1958's Plan 9 from Outer Space had aliens, vampires and zombies. 1959 saw the start of The Twilight Zone (with plenty of alien-themed episodes), and just four years later, The Outer Limits and Doctor Who both began. The list goes on and on and on.
Popular culture was awash with aliens with psychic powers, magical technologies and all sorts of motivations (both good and evil) by the time of your first abduction. Zombies and vampires, not nearly as much. Even today, zombies are still just looking for more brains to eat, and vampires have only gotten sparkly. Neither group has graduated to performing medical experiments on backwoods hicks or crashing advanced vehicles for our malevolent government to reverse engineer.
So why would anyone think that there should be stories about them abducting people? |
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moakley
SFN Regular
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Posted - 03/03/2011 : 05:57:08 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by le Penseur
Moakley, I apologize ...
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I appreciate it, but do not believe one is necessary. Since others have expressed an interest in your continuing your tales of encounter I will return to lurker status.
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le Penseur
Banned
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Posted - 03/03/2011 : 07:27:34 [Permalink]
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Dave W, don't get so worked up over a non-issue. Podcast had said, basically, "BECAUSE aliens are so prevalent in film and popular culture, WHEN something strange happens, people blame aliens."
I simply pointed out that zombies are equally popular these days, and vampires remain far more popular, from the record-breaking Twilight series to TV shows like True Blood. That's all, and it's a salient point.
Podcast didn't bring up abductions at all, but made reference to "when strange things happen". No one said one is more likely to abduct people than the other, or one monster is more technological than they other.
His point was that alien accounts are based on their popularity in culture, and my point was that zombies and vampires are even more popular these days, so popularity is not be the reason.
The IMPORTANT difference between aliens, vampires and zombies?
The U.S. Air Force has not spent decades investigating vampires or zombies.
And J. Allen Hyneck, Air Force lead investigator on Project Blue Book, stated unequivocally that some of the cases he investigated were extraterrestrial intelligences utilizing advanced technology. |
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 03/03/2011 : 08:29:26 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by le Penseur
People have watched a lot of sci-fi films about zombies, too. Why isn't it equally common to hear "zombies did it".?
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You haven't realised that a large portion of the American population are Evangelicals? They believe all kinds of crazy stuff.
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 03/03/2011 : 09:03:31 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by le Penseur
Humbert : | I don't know of any photos or videos of aliens either. Do you? |
Alien SHIPS, hell yeah, I see many that I feel are absolutely genuine alien ships. We even took some ourselves. There are far fewer photos/videos of aliens that I feel may be genuine, but I have seen a few.
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So, help me understand. With all the high definition cameras out there not that are constantly on (bank ATM, various security, traffic, weather- we have one here that is up high and always on to see the sunrise/sunset and various weather issues, some major cities have extensive CCTV monitoring, and more...), why haven't the number of UFO videos increased?
Why haven't we ever seen a clear picture or video (they are all fuzzy/blurry/low quality) of an alien or alien ship?
Why is it that you can't seem to provide any evidence, any mechanism to potentially obtain evidence, or anything at all that can even remotely substantiate your claims?
Why to you react with arrogance and anger when called out on the massive inconsistencies in your fairy tale?
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 03/03/2011 : 09:10:27 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by le Penseur
Dave W, don't get so worked up over a non-issue. |
Worked up? Hardly.podcat. If you're going to criticize other people's spelling, you need to be more careful....had said, basically, "BECAUSE aliens are so prevalent in film and popular culture, WHEN something strange happens, people blame aliens."
I simply pointed out that zombies are equally popular these days, and vampires remain far more popular, from the record-breaking Twilight series to TV shows like True Blood. That's all, and it's a salient point. |
Except it's not, because mysterious lights in the sky are never attributed to the actions of zombies or vampires. podcat's "something strange" is obviously in reference only to the type of phenomena which popular culture and media have already primed us to expect from ET. Aliens aren't going to be everyone's first thought if a dead body is found drained of blood with two fang marks in the neck.| Podcast didn't bring up abductions at all, but made reference to "when strange things happen". No one said one is more likely to abduct people than the other, or one monster is more technological than they other. |
No, but should that prevent me from explaining why ETs are different?| His point was that alien accounts are based on their popularity in culture... |
If that were his precise point, then he'd be wrong. I wouldn't consider him to be stupid enough to think that aliens are just a random explanation applied to any phenomenon in proportion only to popularity, but instead to rather specific phenomena which zombies aren't associated with at all (like lights in the sky, abductions, high technology, mind powers, etc.), and vampires only get the "mind powers" in relation to hot women (much of the time).| ...and my point was that zombies and vampires are even more popular these days, so popularity is not be the reason. |
If the box office is any indication, that simply isn't so. Avatar took in $760 million in theaters, while none of the three Twilight films have yet taken in even half as much. Independence Day took in more money in 1996 than the latest Twilight film, and that's not adjusting for inflation. The 44 top-grossing zombie movies haven't even made $750 million between them, the 56 top-grossing vampire films pulled in $1.9 billion, while the top 25 (!) alien invasion movies made over $2.7 billion. Popularity as measured by box office receipts clearly favors attacking Martians over Dracula and Frankenstein.The IMPORTANT difference between aliens, vampires and zombies?
The U.S. Air Force has not spent decades investigating vampires or zombies. |
Why would the Air Force study either one? Vampires in bat form would be best investigated by the Department of the Interior or zoologists with the Smithsonian (hell, the Navy probably has the most experience with echolocation). Zombies, on the other hand, are nothing more than slow-moving targets to the Air Force. Considering the similarities, I would guess that zombies would be investigated by Congress.
Seriously, that the government spends money on silly things is unquestionable. The millions spent on "Remote Viewing" comes to mind. So do the billions spent on the war in Iraq. Government spending is no indication that what they're spending money on is a good idea or has even a germ of truth to it.
(Oh, don't miss out on the United States Vampire Service. And Pittsburgh, at least, takes zombie-attack preparedness as seriously as anyone should.)| And J. Allen Hyneck, Air Force lead investigator on Project Blue Book, stated unequivocally that some of the cases he investigated were extraterrestrial intelligences utilizing advanced technology. |
Since you've claimed that Hyneck "spent his life trying to silence people like" you, and you clearly have far more knowledge of Hyneck than I, I must come to the conclusion (for the sake of this discussion) that this unequivocal statement you say he made was just another attempt to silence you, perhaps through some attempt at reverse psychology, and so I can give it no weight whatsoever in favor of your argument. Or perhaps you could describe to me an objective method through which I could differentiate his true statements from his "silencing" statements. |
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bngbuck
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Posted - 03/03/2011 : 09:11:25 [Permalink]
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Le Penseur.....
I would like to congratulate you on your presentation and also your reception here at SFN Both have been remarkably good! You are certainly one of the more interesting, and compelling, new members that have come to SFN since I arrived here in August of '07.
Kil has suggested that your thread be separated from the stray cat squabbling static that has infected it; I personally feel that is a great idea. I am not too familiar with the logistics necessary for such a bifurcation, but perhaps the moderators would consider such a move if you agree that it is a good idea.
SFN's dirty laundry certainly doesn't belong in the middle of your narrative; and I, for one, would really like to see this discourse with you stay on topic.
Do you agree that this 15 page thread should be separated at about this point and a new thread started for your comments on your experiences with alien abduction? The new thread might begin with the following request:
Could you give me answers to these specific questions? 1. Where do these aliens come from? Could you identify anything specific about their place of origin?
2. Are the aliens with whom you had direct experience, or others, responsible for some, or many of the several million "UFO" reports over the last hundred and fifty years?
3. What is their purpose in extensively traveling through our atmosphere?
4. What is their purpose in abducting folks like you and your family?
5. Is the abduction random selection or selective targeting?
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Dave W.
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Posted - 03/03/2011 : 09:14:37 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
With all the high definition cameras out there not that are constantly on (bank ATM, various security, traffic, weather- we have one here that is up high and always on to see the sunrise/sunset and various weather issues, some major cities have extensive CCTV monitoring, and more...), why haven't the number of UFO videos increased? |
One of the major British UFO groups disbanded (ten years ago?) for this very reason: the growing ubiquity of personal video and still cameras coupled with the decrease in reported sightings. |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 03/03/2011 : 09:31:53 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by Dude
With all the high definition cameras out there not that are constantly on (bank ATM, various security, traffic, weather- we have one here that is up high and always on to see the sunrise/sunset and various weather issues, some major cities have extensive CCTV monitoring, and more...), why haven't the number of UFO videos increased? |
One of the major British UFO groups disbanded (ten years ago?) for this very reason: the growing ubiquity of personal video and still cameras coupled with the decrease in reported sightings.
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Yeah, every smart cellphone made in the last 5 years has video, some have 5mp cemeras. Some have high definition video cameras. With the massive number of cellphones out there you'd think that at least one abductee would get us some video or pics.
By le Penseur's own account the aliens are not omnipotent, they don't have perfect control of their abductees (he was able to move unnoticed for a while, resulting in great concern by the aliens), so why hasn't one of the abductees whipped out their phone, grabbed a couple of high definition pics, then put it back in their pocket?
It seems unreasonable that there hasn't been at least one person abducted who though to themselves, "no one is going to fucking believe this unless I get some pictures...".
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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Posted - 03/03/2011 : 09:43:54 [Permalink]
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Bill. I suggest that you go with the flow now. No need to ask Le Penseur his opinion on this. The thread, at least on this page, is doing fine. Stick with the OP and forget the rest of the other stuff for now. Any member can open a new thread if they want to argue about style and such. Best case would be that you don't even respond to this post because that would just brings the other issues back to this thread.
Just ask Le Penseur those questions you have that are pertinent to this thread.
Let it go...
Also, we don't have a 15 page rule anymore. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 03/03/2011 : 10:08:46 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
It seems unreasonable that there hasn't been at least one person abducted who though to themselves, "no one is going to fucking believe this unless I get some pictures...". |
A popular Internet meme is VOIDH, "video or it didn't happen." |
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le Penseur
Banned
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Posted - 03/03/2011 : 10:12:44 [Permalink]
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Looks like Dave W. took his asshole pill today.
| podcat. If you're going to criticize other people's spelling, you need to be more careful. |
There's a big difference between misspelling common words and my mistaking some guys strange name the first time. Why be a dick if you don't have to?
| Except it's not, because mysterious lights in the sky are never attributed to the actions of zombies or vampires. podcat's "something strange" is obviously in reference only to the type of phenomena which popular culture and media have already primed us to expect from ET. |
You're full of shit Dave. podcat said no such thing, stop trying to rewrite his post. My point remains pertinent. He didn't mention mysterious lights in the sky. He gave no indication that by saying "something strange" he meant, in your words, "only the type of phenomena which popular culture and media have already primed us to expect from ET." LOL I'm not sure podcat can open wide enough for all the words you are trying to cram into his mouth!
| If that were his precise point, then he'd be wrong. |
No shit, that's why I responded as such. And seeing as his post was only one sentence, I can only respond to what he wrote. Here is his complete post, again:
| Not to mention a lot of people have watched a lot of sci-fi films of aliens, so if there is an unknown event, it's easy for the imagination to say "aliens did it". |
Notice his exact wording was "an unknown event". Not mysterious lights, or your verbose attempt at extrapolation.
You want to write your own posts an make your own posts, Dave? No one is stopping you. But I responded to podcat's sentence, and I did so pretty accurately.
and finally, Dave asks: | Why would the Air Force study either one [vampires or zombies, as opposed to aliens]? |
They wouldn't. And they didn't. Because vampires and zombies aren't real. They studied aliens, because they are real. That, Dave, was my point.
In the time since these investigations were first launched, Aliens and alien ships created quite a problem for commercial and military airplanes, nuclear missle silos, military bases, the US capitol building, the city of los angeles, and so on. |
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le Penseur
Banned
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Posted - 03/03/2011 : 10:17:07 [Permalink]
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bngbuck, you ask some important questions, I certainly owe you some answers. These answers will have to be quite involved, so I will have to set some time aside to do justice to them.
As far as dude goes, I was seriously tempted to correct his mis-statements in recent posts, but DUDE has established himself to be a liar, repeatedly, and as such,I cannot include him in this conversation. |
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ETs are here, despite guesses to the contrary
