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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
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 Posted - 03/03/2011 : 10:50:16 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by le Penseur
Looks like Dave W. took his asshole pill today. |
You say this after making the completely unevidenced claim that I got "worked up over a non-issue"? Hypocrite.| podcat. If you're going to criticize other people's spelling, you need to be more careful. |
There's a big difference between misspelling common words and my mistaking some guys strange name the first time. |
I don't see a substantial difference in the level of carelessness required to make such mistakes.| Why be a dick if you don't have to? |
Perhaps you should ask yourself that question.| You're full of shit Dave. |
And again.| podcat said no such thing, stop trying to rewrite his post. |
I'm not. You're reading it in the worst possible light, while I'm giving the guy the benefit of a doubt (I know he's not an idiot) and adding my own two cents.| They wouldn't. And they didn't. Because vampires and zombies aren't real. They studied aliens, because they are real. That, Dave, was my point. |
Thus making a circular argument, and in the process ignoring my substantive argument. Remote Viewing isn't real, either, but the government spent lots of money studying it.| In the time since these investigations were first launched, Aliens and alien ships created quite a problem for commercial and military airplanes, nuclear missle silos, military bases, the US capitol building, the city of los angeles, and so on. |
If the government is trying to hide the existence of the aliens, then every one of those events (except for commercial airplanes after deregulation) cannot be trusted. Again: how can we tell true government utterances from ones intended to silence you or otherwise throw people off-track or keep the public from panicking? If you cannot offer an objective method to make this distinction, then we must toss out all reports and statements from government agencies, agents and other employees (on the job or not) as untrustworthy, including those regarding "military airplanes, nuclear missle silos, military bases, the US capitol building, the city of los angeles..." |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 03/03/2011 : 10:53:46 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
One of the major British UFO groups disbanded (ten years ago?) for this very reason: the growing ubiquity of personal video and still cameras coupled with the decrease in reported sightings.
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Perhaps it's just my imagination, but I link the decrease in reported sightings with the decline in woo and religiosity in Europe.
It would be interesting to see actual numbers of reported observations per capita in each country. I wonder what correlations could be made. For now, I wonder what makes USA of special interest to aliens.
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
6891 Posts |
Posted - 03/03/2011 : 10:57:55 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by le Penseur
bngbuck, you ask some important questions, I certainly owe you some answers. These answers will have to be quite involved, so I will have to set some time aside to do justice to them.
As far as dude goes, I was seriously tempted to correct his mis-statements in recent posts, but DUDE has established himself to be a liar, repeatedly, and as such,I cannot include him in this conversation.
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Too bad for you that you don't get to exclude me. You lack the power, just as you lack the power to provide a way to tell your story apart from other fairy tales.
You are an intellectual coward and/or an internet troll. You are incapable of answering any real question so you respond with insult, fake outrage, and massive arrogance. You do realize that no one here, not even bngbuck, believes what you have to say, right?
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
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"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
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bngbuck
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 03/03/2011 : 11:48:37 [Permalink]
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Dude.....
| You do realize that no one here, not even bngbuck, believes what you have to say, right? |
Dude You do not have any knowledge, supernatural or not, of what I believe or do not believe. I have made many statements here on SFN concerning my UAP/ET "beliefs", which I prefer to define as opinions with varying degrees of probability. Those opinions change as additional information comes in. Le Penseur is definitely new information to me. You have no possible concept of what my very complicated opinion of Le Penseur's narrative is or is not.
Please do not make declarative statements concerning my opinion of Le Penseur, of which you have no possible way of knowing at the present; or else I shall be forced to say some unpleasant things to you which will not particularly affect you but will certainly affect Kil, whose ass I am presently kissing, according to Hummer. If my words or deportment and your response were to cause Kil intestinal distress, it could become very uncomfortable for me!
I am perfectly willing to rehear your patented speech concerning my ageing and deteriorating mental facilities, incipient Alzheimers, and all the rest of your standard insult repertoire; if you want to rerun that tape, perhaps a little novelty in the routine would spice it up a bit. Dr. Mabuse might have some suggestions. |
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bngbuck
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 03/03/2011 : 11:59:41 [Permalink]
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Le Penseur.....
| bngbuck, you ask some important questions, I certainly owe you some answers. These answers will have to be quite involved, so I will have to set some time aside to do justice to them. |
I thank you for that. Could I request that you now simply answer the first (and perhaps the most important to me, of the five) questions - to wit: Where do they come from? |
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
USA
4574 Posts |
Posted - 03/03/2011 : 12:20:51 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by le Penseur
Humbert : | I don't know of any photos or videos of aliens either. Do you? |
Alien SHIPS, hell yeah, I see many that I feel are absolutely genuine alien ships. We even took some ourselves. There are far fewer photos/videos of aliens that I feel may be genuine, but I have seen a few.
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I haven't seen any photos or videos which I could be certain were absolutely genuine alien ships, either. Often even those in the UFO community can't seem to agree on which are genuine and which are hoaxes, the vast majority of which seem to be indeterminate blurry shapes or lights in the sky.
This might be a good place to start. You could provide photos or videos of aliens or their craft which you feel are absolutely genuine and your methods for differentiating them from fakes.
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"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman
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bngbuck
SFN Addict
USA
2437 Posts |
Posted - 03/03/2011 : 12:28:56 [Permalink]
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Kil....
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I love you, Kil!.... SMAAAACK!
How about an e-mail response to the detail of my lengthy post to you yesterday on page 13? |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
6891 Posts |
Posted - 03/03/2011 : 12:37:12 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by bngbuck
Dude.....
| You do realize that no one here, not even bngbuck, believes what you have to say, right? |
Dude You do not have any knowledge, supernatural or not, of what I believe or do not believe. I have made many statements here on SFN concerning my UAP/ET "beliefs", which I prefer to define as opinions with varying degrees of probability. Those opinions change as additional information comes in. Le Penseur is definitely new information to me. You have no possible concept of what my very complicated opinion of Le Penseur's narrative is or is not.
Please do not make declarative statements concerning my opinion of Le Penseur, of which you have no possible way of knowing at the present; or else I shall be forced to say some unpleasant things to you which will not particularly affect you but will certainly affect Kil, whose ass I am presently kissing, according to Hummer. If my words or deportment and your response were to cause Kil intestinal distress, it could become very uncomfortable for me!
I am perfectly willing to rehear your patented speech concerning my ageing and deteriorating mental facilities, incipient Alzheimers, and all the rest of your standard insult repertoire; if you want to rerun that tape, perhaps a little novelty in the routine would spice it up a bit. Dr. Mabuse might have some suggestions.
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So what you are saying is that every post you have made in these forums is not reliable to gauge your level of belief in aliens and/or the supernatural?
Seriously? You need to give it a fucking rest. You don't believe this dimwit was abducted by aliens anymore than I do. You have an ulterior motivation to keep him speaking to you (research for your manuscript, which apparently has a chapter or two about retards who claim to have been abducted).
So not only can I make such declarative statements, I will continue to do so as long as I care to do so. You, obviously, have the right to correct any errors in my assessment, but you don't get to tell me that I can't assess your thinking from your writings.
So, if you care to correct my evaluation of your beliefs, now is the perfect opportunity. Do you really think this tool was abducted by aliens? Lay it on the line, you won't get a better chance to come clean than right now. In addition, if you do really think the guy was abducted by aliens, I promise that my reply will be only a single sentence and it will not comment on your age or mental infirmity (most of those comments were not meant to be taken seriously anyway, I'm kind of surprised that you have complained so much about them.)
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
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le Penseur
Banned
USA
142 Posts |
Posted - 03/03/2011 : 12:38:42 [Permalink]
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Dave W, Give it up. You're incorrect on every sentence you write today. Is this a hoax?
I have to reconsider if this is really worth my time, especially if I'm going to have to spend an hour refuting this cut-and-paste hack twice a day.
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bngbuck
SFN Addict
USA
2437 Posts |
Posted - 03/03/2011 : 14:35:48 [Permalink]
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Dude....
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Dude, I not only would not, I could not respond to that request at this time.
I hope to have an extensive hearing of his entire life experiences of direct contact with aliens. He has quietly, in an matter-of-fact manner said that he has considerable information considering the nature of and purposes of the aliens. So far, I have heard only the beginning of this information.
If he is in fact forthcoming with that information, I will be prepared to move my probability indicator some distance on the scale. How much and which way depends on the nature, amount, and credibility of his information. As someone has suggested, photos, or where to find them would be useful. Reference to other accounts such as his that are accessible would be useful. Extensive discourse with him would be useful. Prejudgment or instant dismissal are not useful.
As you may or may not know, I have a really extensive home library. Within those rooms of several thousand volumes, there are five-six hundred books on UAP -- ranging from sheer and utter nonsense similar to ideas like your pet green fairies, to highly credible writings and reportage that would make even a classical critic like yourself at least pause and reflect a bit.
I'm no fool. I would not have the material resources that I do today if I was. Neither am I stupid or ill-informed on this subject and several others that are somewhat similar in nature. Randi himself has complemented me on my dogged refusal to accept persuasion to declare absolutes at either end of the probability scale. "Admirable but impractical" was his comment, I believe.
In brief, I cannot answer your question at this time. I believe there will be such a time. I certainly hope so!
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26022 Posts |
Posted - 03/03/2011 : 15:45:13 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by le Penseur
Dave W, Give it up. You're incorrect on every sentence you write today. Is this a hoax? |
Incorrect? You're saying that the government did not fund Project Stargate? And how can a request for an objective method for determining when or if government agents are spreading disinformation about UFOs be "incorrect?" Are you saying that it's wrong to even ask?| I have to reconsider if this is really worth my time, especially if I'm going to have to spend an hour refuting this cut-and-paste hack twice a day. |
Suit yourself. The answers you've provided to the "important" questions of mine that you haven't ignored have not been particularly useful to me. I don't see that changing, since the stuff I'm slightly interested in is more within the field of exopolitics and I'm fairly sure that you've only got second-hand knowledge of that, anyway. |
- Dave W. (Private Msg, EMail)
Evidently, I rock!
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le Penseur
Banned
USA
142 Posts |
Posted - 03/04/2011 : 02:31:19 [Permalink]
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I could tell Dave W. was going to be a pain in the ass right away, from his choice of avatar: an ugly, angry pouting baby, which is really right on the money.
My information hasn't been "useful" to the angry ugly baby? Well, my car keys aren't much use to my dog.
I was going to respond to his last post of nonsense and distortions, but I thought about it. What good would it do? He'd simply distort and fabricate more bullshit, and so on it would go.
Then I noticed something ...
I was astonished to see that Dave W. has over twenty thousand posts here. TWENTY THOUSAND? Jesus Christ! You want some "useful" information? Turn off your computer and go outside. Before it's too late. Get some Vitamin D on your sun-deprived skin before it just flakes off you. No wonder you have the heartbreak of psoriasis. Get outside while you still can, man, and look up in the sky once in a while.
That's the only way you're going to see an alien ship, if you go outside, not chain-posting in front of your computer.
TWENTY THOUSAND posts? That's 6 posts a day, every day, week in, week out, summer, winter, year after year. Wow. That's telling. That's someone who loves the sound of their own voice, or font, as it may be. Let's say, someone who is very FONT of himself. LOL.
A person with 20,000 posts is a person that loves their own opinion, and wants to make sure everyone knows it. They don't want to learn something new, they have invested way too much time into defending their opinion to ever consider that it may have been incorrect all along. And like water over rock, he will simply wear you down by typing more than you can reasonably respond to.
What was most ironic is when Dave tried to pass himself off as knowing more about exo-politics than I do. Hilarious. If Dave had even a passing knowledge of the last 70 years of exo-politics, he would understand that alien visitation, abduction, and military confrontation is an undeniable reality.
BNGBUCK, you seems to have been telling it straight since I got here, you were right about Dude/Dave.
I simply have too much going on in my life to out-talk Dave, or dude. I don't have time, I'm proud to say. So, I will not respond to either character. I don't want to be the next Mr. Twenty Thousand, and that's probably what it would take just to defend my previous posts. I don't even want to be Mr. ONE THOUSAND. I'm not sure if it is really a worthwhile endeavor to continue here. Let's see if anything more positive gets posted.
Now I'm sure Mr. TWENTY THOUSAND has to get the last word. and the one after that. and the one after that. |
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BigPapaSmurf
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 03/04/2011 : 05:44:23 [Permalink]
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| How embarrassing, can't back up your BS so you complain about spelling errors and post counts as if that somehow improves your arguement. You are a sad, sad person. |
"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History
"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini |
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BigPapaSmurf
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 03/04/2011 : 05:46:08 [Permalink]
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| P.S. You also have 6 posts per day, although unlike Dave's, they are 99% worthless. |
"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History
"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26022 Posts |
Posted - 03/04/2011 : 05:50:04 [Permalink]
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How could I let such an obvious case of sour grapes go without comment? Especially when you, le Penseur, have written 57 posts since Feb 23rd, or 6.33 posts per day. How do you find the time?| What was most ironic is when Dave tried to pass himself off as knowing more about exo-politics than I do. |
What's even more ironic is how you just lied about what I said. |
- Dave W. (Private Msg, EMail)
Evidently, I rock!
Why not question something for a change?
Visit Dave's Psoriasis Info, too. |
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ETs are here, despite guesses to the contrary
