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alienist
Skeptic Friend
USA
210 Posts |
 Posted - 03/07/2011 : 20:04:57 [Permalink]
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| Wow, that UFO over Moscow is not a spaceship. It is floating over the Kremlin and there are no migs around to shoot it down. Perhaps they are trying to tell the Russians to bury Lenin instead of letting him decompose and mold away |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26022 Posts |
Posted - 03/07/2011 : 20:15:21 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by bngbuck
| I couldn't possibly give credence to the idea that you've seen every configuration of craft from every space-faring culture. |
Neither could I, nor anyone I can think of.....No one could. |
Well, le Penseur certainly thinks that if a UFO doesn't look like the ones he's seen or behave like the ones he's seen or have lights like the ones he's seen, then it's a fake. Kind of like someone who's been to a few American airports saying that the French Mirage fighter is fake since it doesn't look like or fly like any passenger jet, helicopter or light airplane he's ever seen.| .... even if I grant that you've been abducted..... |
What specific form of conditional did you intend that predicate to denote? |
How about "...even if I were to agree that you've been abducted..."? |
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le Penseur
Banned
USA
142 Posts |
Posted - 03/07/2011 : 20:56:53 [Permalink]
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| I couldn't possibly give credence to the idea that you've seen every configuration of craft from every space-faring culture. |
If I ever claimed any such thing, you'd have proof right there I was a phony. I have dealt with a handful of different alien species, but they worked together. That's all I'm privileged to. According to one NATO security official, even as early as the 1980s, our govt had encountered almost 60 different alien races. I know only a very small piece of the puzzle.
I will take a look at that video now.
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le Penseur
Banned
USA
142 Posts |
Posted - 03/07/2011 : 21:10:19 [Permalink]
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| Well, le Penseur certainly thinks that if a UFO doesn't look like the ones he's seen or behave like the ones he's seen or have lights like the ones he's seen, then it's a fake. |
Never said any such thing. In fact, I've seen ships that I feel are genuine even though they seem radically different than any Ive seen, namely, one in China from last year, and another that flew over the Albany Airport some years back, to name two.
No ONE reason I gave in my review of the Haiti UFO was what I used to make up my mind, it was all those factors.
And as Ive stated all along, I can only speak of my experiences with certainty, to discuss a wider range of aliens and their ships, I'm forced to speculate to one degree or another. I could certainly be wrong about someone else's alleged UFO footage.
I am confident that the Haiti UFO footage you linked to was not genuine. |
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bngbuck
SFN Addict
USA
2437 Posts |
Posted - 03/07/2011 : 21:51:12 [Permalink]
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Dave.....
| How about "...even if I were to agree that you've been abducted..."? |
I like it, I like it! |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26022 Posts |
Posted - 03/07/2011 : 21:55:48 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by le Penseur
Never said any such thing. In fact, I've seen ships that I feel are genuine even though they seem radically different than any Ive seen, namely, one in China from last year, and another that flew over the Albany Airport some years back, to name two.
No ONE reason I gave in my review of the Haiti UFO was what I used to make up my mind, it was all those factors. |
But it's nonsense, anyway. If you can't rule out a video based upon the appearance or behavior of the craft in it (which you've just flatly declared that you cannot), then it must have zero weight as a "factor." So why bother listing it? Actually, them. Here are all the factors you listed that would depend on having an encyclopedic knowledge of alien craft and alien behavior:1. The Ships. They look nothing like any actual alien ship I've seen, far too elaborate in design...
2. The lights on the ship. Not even a decent effort to capture the intensity and beauty of alien lights. No colors, no pattern of changing colors.
3. As the ships went overhead, they made a faint yet distinct sound.Alien ships are silent.
4. The cheesy gasp of a woman at the beginning. Not even close to the panicked utterances that really take place when people have genuine sightings.
6. The sheer NUMBER of alien ships in the final seconds. Such overkill. Way too many. It looks like a battle scene from the Phantom Menace. Beyond silly.
7. The lack of people screaming. When the real deal goes down, people freak out. I man Really freak out.
8. The movement of the ships. Far too smooth, real alien ships stop, hover, dart one way or the other quickly in jerky movements.
9. Finally, and most importantly, there is an effect that is visible when an actual alien ship is in operation that these ship do not display. |
Only #5 fails to assume that you know how all aliens and their ships act, and it assumes that there couldn't possibly be a "competent" cameraman on the scene for different reasons.
All of the factors you listed insist that you can tell "real" things from fake ones based on your own limited knowledge, and nothing more. Adding them together doesn't change the fact that every one of them boils down to nothing better than "I've never seen anything like that, so it must be fake." Multiplying it by nine doesn't make it a better argument.
Here, look at this image:
The image must be faked because:
1. I've never seen a person with such dark skin.
2. Real people don't mutilate their lips like that.
3. No women wear their hair like that.
4. Her ear is all angles instead of rounded, like actual humans.
5. Africans think photographs steal their souls, so none of them would allow such a picture to be taken.
Etc., etc..
It's all a bunch of crap, of course, but no different in substantiveness than your bunch of crap, le Penseur.| And as Ive stated all along, I can only speak of my experiences with certainty, to discuss a wider range of aliens and their ships, I'm forced to speculate to one degree or another. |
But that's not what you said. You said that "real" ships and aliens behave in certain ways. There was no speculation at all in your statements, they were declarations of unqualified fact.| I could certainly be wrong about someone else's alleged UFO footage. |
That certainly didn't come out through your statements at all. There was no uncertainty in your list whatsoever.| I am confident that the Haiti UFO footage you linked to was not genuine. |
I already told you how to tell, unequivocably and based upon completely objective factors that don't depend upon any special knowledge of aliens, that the Haiti video is fake (it is entirely CG). Why declare your confidence based upon your speculative "factors" when the hard evidence is placed before you? |
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bngbuck
SFN Addict
USA
2437 Posts |
Posted - 03/07/2011 : 22:02:57 [Permalink]
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alienist
| Wow, that UFO over Moscow is not a spaceship |
WTF is it then.....? Euclid's ghost?
Solid geometry is getting up there among the realities of life, alienist! --damn 19th century
retrogade. C'mon. here we are, it's Century 21! We're jivin, babe, we're jivin! |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
13477 Posts |
Posted - 03/07/2011 : 22:05:42 [Permalink]
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| Dave. Did I miss something or did you miss listing number 5? |
Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26022 Posts |
Posted - 03/07/2011 : 23:06:37 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
Dave. Did I miss something or did you miss listing number 5? |
I segregated #5, because it's not about the aliens, but is instead about the camera work.
le Penseur said it was too good, and he is right for all the wrong reasons. The TV show Firefly and its movie Serenity were chock-full of entirely computer-generated "shaky cam" and out-of-focus shots. What le Penseur suggests are elements of a "real" video are, in fact, faked on a regular basis, but the creators of the Haiti UFO video just didn't do it.
I don't know why they didn't do it, it's not like they lacked the technology. But they didn't, and so the shot looked less "realistic" to le Penseur only because of other assumptions he was making about the clip (like that no professional Steady-Cam operator might be in the country filming something else). It's all very silly. |
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le Penseur
Banned
USA
142 Posts |
Posted - 03/08/2011 : 00:56:18 [Permalink]
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Wow, this degenerated to bitter carping again rather quickly, thanks solely to daveW and his endless capacity to produce bile..
If you don't want my opinion on UFO footage, stop asking me for it, that's pretty easily done. You have a problem with my methodology? Lol, then let me know when it fails me once.
I have never seen a genuine craft that could operate without displaying a certain effect, That is one of the criteria I use in determining validity, and it hasn't failed me yet to my knowledge. You let me know if you feel I get one wrong.
As for the Russia pyramid, I don't believe it is genuine, But I can't be certain from that clip. In my opinion, there would be a great deal more attention being paid to it, especially by aircraft; helicopters, military response. I also feel the russians filming it would not be speaking so calmly in the face of such a monumental event. But I can't dismiss the sighting based on the visible aspects of the craft or the craft's behavior.
Whereas I admit I have not seen every type of alien craft, not even close, I will say that the ships I have seen make up the majority of reported sightings, and that they are related to the types of aliens I have encountered. If you find the information I bring to the table to be uninteresting, feel free to ignore it, if that makes you feel better. |
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le Penseur
Banned
USA
142 Posts |
Posted - 03/08/2011 : 01:27:36 [Permalink]
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| so the shot looked less "realistic" to le Penseur only because of other assumptions he was making about the clip (like that no professional Steady-Cam operator might be in the country filming something else). It's all very silly |
You sound rather stupid here DaveW, you're losing it.
The ship looked "less realistic" to me based on 9 or ten reasons I listed, and those reasons were OBSERVATIONS, not ASSUMPTIONS. Don't put words in my mouth, and I wont put anything in yours.
What really makes you sound like a desperate person is when you say that it could have been filmed that well by "a professional steady-cam operator who could have been in the country filming something else". LOL
A professional steady-cam operator? Are you suggesting that this footage was shot from a steady-cam rig? Which usually involves a person being strapped into an elaborate harness? Just hanging out at the beach in the evening, strapped into a heavy steady-cam harness, in case some thing happens that would require a sweeping overhead shot? Lol Laughable. Now, not all steady -cam rigs are huge and heavy, but thats the type likely to be used by a "professional" steady-cam operator, as Dave proposes.
Further, such a 'professional' is given a shooting script well in advance of any shot, practicing it endlessly in the days and weeks preceding the filming of the actual scene.
But the big flaw in your statement is the fact that a "professional steady-cam operator, even if strapped into his elaborate heavy gear, is NO more likely to react calmly and get a smooth shot than anyone else in the face of an alien ship zooming by. These events, when genuine, are shocking and overwhelming to those that witness them. That shock increases the closer you are, and if this footage was genuine, that's pretty damn close. Francis Ford Copolla himself couldn't get that smooth a shot.
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le Penseur
Banned
USA
142 Posts |
Posted - 03/08/2011 : 01:30:09 [Permalink]
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| Yes Very silly indeed. A picture of a woman with a plate in her lip? Does this room offer no penalties for inept analogies? |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
Posted - 03/08/2011 : 03:54:11 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by le Penseur
Yes Very silly indeed. A picture of a woman with a plate in her lip? Does this room offer no penalties for inept analogies?
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It's called a "labret," Mr. Poe. It requires piercing the lower labia and installing a small wooden or bone plug. When the wound has healed, a succession of larger labrets are used to stretch the lip to what you see in Dave's photo. Various cultures have used them in men as well as women. The practice is quite widespread from Africa to South America and some South Sea Islanders. The ancient Egyptians wore them for adornment, although none so exaggerated. And a lot of American and European kids get labial piercing today, don‘t ask me why.
Happily, cranial-binding has not returned to vogue, although it is still done. It too, was practiced by the Egyptians as well as aboriginal cultures including the Aztecs and the Maya.
And as for holding a steady camera in an exciting situation, military photographers do it all the time and there is no reason to doubt that a given civilian couldn't do the same, given the impetus. Not everyone cuts and runs, nor collapses into hysterics when something potentially dangerous appears.
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le Penseur
Banned
USA
142 Posts |
Posted - 03/08/2011 : 04:27:21 [Permalink]
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| And as for holding a steady camera in an exciting situation, military photographers do it all the time |
LOL So now it's a military photographer, fresh from a combat stint in Afghanistan, wearing the elaborate steady-cam harness and rigging, on the beach at twilight, very ready for something unusual to go overhead.
Man, you guys concoct more bullshit than any fringe UFO tale-teller I've ever encountered. I really think so, at this point.
And do not twist the issue, it isn't a matter of just how steady that bothered me, it is the fact that he tracked the motion completely, not letting the ship out of frame. I've never seen legitimate UFO footage that never lost track of a rapidly moving craft, especially at such a close distance.
And No, combat photographers are no more likely than anyone else to be able to anticipate the exact path an object is going to take. Unless you guys are talking about 'Remote Viewers' now! Lol Are you?
Not everyone cuts and runs, nor collapses into hysterics when something potentially dangerous appears.
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EVERYBODY reacts with shock and surprise when alien ships go passing overhead. Unless they're asleep or dead.
And even those FEW that thought quickly enough to want to take footage of it, would be frantically trying to get their camera, turn it on, set it to record, set the exposure if necessary, press the record button, and try to find the ship through the eyepiece in the five or ten seconds they had to act. They'd be lucky to catch a few frames of the ship.
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le Penseur
Banned
USA
142 Posts |
Posted - 03/08/2011 : 04:35:08 [Permalink]
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And my name is not Mr. Poe, you may refer to me as le Penseur, or I can select a new name for you as well, if you want to go that route.
If you still think that my first hand account of alien contact is an elaborate ruse or hoax, you're really not a very bright individual, despite the nice things bngbuck has said about you. |
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ETs are here, despite guesses to the contrary
