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bngbuck
SFN Addict
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Posted - 03/08/2011 : 23:24:47 [Permalink]
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Le Penseur.....
Dave
So you're not going to describe your method for determining that it is an alien craft? That's the important part. Without it, we learn nothing. |
So, you MotherFucker LP, you're not going to describe your method.....goddammit, you promised!!!
You ##&*xx?//(really bad shit)
Actually, you did! Le Penseur
So you provide any links you want to alleged UFO footage, and I will tell you if I believe it to be genuine or fake, and I will certainly share my methodology in doing so. |
sadly, I guess it is ante up, LP! You must not leave a single challenge unanswered!!!
That's the important part! With it, we learn nothing. |
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bngbuck
SFN Addict
USA
2437 Posts |
Posted - 03/08/2011 : 23:37:13 [Permalink]
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Dude.....
| He has been invited to do so a dozen times. Doesn't seem like he is interested in doing anything other than being an arrogant dumbass. |
It has been said, Dude, by one far wiser than me, that "When in Rome, do as the Romans do!" |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26022 Posts |
 Posted - 03/09/2011 : 03:53:40 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by bngbuck
Le Penseur.....
Dave
So you're not going to describe your method for determining that it is an alien craft? That's the important part. Without it, we learn nothing. |
So, you MotherFucker LP, you're not going to describe your method.....goddammit, you promised!!!
You ##&*xx?//(really bad shit) |
It's like looking in a mirror, except for how it isn't.| Edited by - bngbuck on 03/09/2011 00:24:57 |
Good to know you went back an hour later to fix something in that masterpiece, bngbuck. |
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Evidently, I rock!
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
Posted - 03/09/2011 : 03:54:01 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by bngbuck
Filthy.....
| I'm open to being convinced but it would take a lot to do it. Extraordinary claims/evidence, and all that slum. Thus far in this thread, the necessary criteria has not been met. |
Of course not. I, and everyone here knows that. But my point was that what you state is unreasonable! It stretches the limits of possibility to the extreme to think that any human being could have knowledge of all the photos ever taken of UAP. And even if by some miracle (don't believe in them)
you could amass copies of all such photographs, I doubt that you would have either the time or inclination to ascertain which were legitimate and which were not - because of the sheer volume of data to digest. Most important, no one could look at all of them because many (?) are probably generated every single day!| But let me ask; if you happened to be out in a field photographing whatever and a space craft appeared, and you, lucky fellow, got a good, clear shot of it, what would you do with do with that photo? |
I would do what has already, in part, been done many, many times. I would attempt to get my photo published any way possible and try to profit from the attendant publicity.
Probably a very difficult task, but not impossible, as they still pop up in places other than You Tube, where apparently there are no credibility barriers to get your photo - shopped or not, - on TV.
I would submit to MUFON etc. which Dave. god bless him, has detailed elsewhere in this thread. I certainly would submit them to Skeptical Enquirer, and, for whatever it would be worth, although at this point I have some doubts about SFN (some here would say the "well has been poisoned", but never I); I would post them here, and if Dave and I could share the cost; I would meet with him and show him the original card, disc, or, for crissakes the film on which they originated.(I used to live in the DC area, and I love it. I probably would go without sharing costs both to experience Dave in person and to return to DC for a visit, which I have not taken for almost seven years.)
Why Dave? Because if I could convince him that the photos were authentic, I would have a much better chance to convince the really professional folks that I would have to face before making serious money off of the photo. I mean people whose full time job is analyzing such kinds of things. I really kind of doubt that a single real photo of a Spaceship could ever be completely authenticated or differentiated from a faked one, given the level of image manipulation that is available today - for a price, of course. Could Lucas or others in Hollywood produce a digital still that could not be differentiated from a real image? Maybe, I don't really know.
But first of all I would seek out the most professional appraisal and documentation of their authenticity that I could find in order to build an evidence base. This would be expensive, but I am confident that I could pay the tab and that it would be an excellent investment! Just to be able to honestly advertise that my photo had been analyzed by the best in the business and could not be declared a fake! It would be a partially calculated gamble of which I have made many in my life!
I would forever be wary of black helicopters and visitors to my door dressed in conservative suits and fedoras. Or military uniforms!
| Edited to add that unless I can be convinced, I will continue to make difinitive statements. They are more likely to be read, and if I'm caught out, we'll all get a good laugh. |
I am completely OK with definitive statements, it's the declarative sentences that begin to really annoy me.
He that laughs at himself is on the path to wisdom!
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Ok, I'll take it back and add the declaration that God exists.
What would I do with said photo? You ain't gonna like it, but I would simply frame it and hang it on the wall. If anyone asked, I would say, honestly enough, that it's a picture of a UFO. And we could all get a derisive chuckle out of it.
See, if I, or anyone, got such a photo, others would have at least seen subject of it, so let them have the forthcoming hassle and claim their 15 minutes of fame.
But after all, in this day and age, who trusts a photograph anyway? I don't unless it's got a pretty damned good provenance.
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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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le Penseur
Banned
USA
142 Posts |
Posted - 03/09/2011 : 03:55:05 [Permalink]
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I was asked if I would take the time to find some UFO footage on the net that I considered to be genuine. I have kindly fulfilled that request.
But now that isn't good enough for you. You pretend you can learn nothing from observing footage of an actual alien ship, that you need to know my reasoning in pronouncing it genuine. LOl Sure, if you're only interested in learning about me, not an actual alien ship. Ask yourself why that is.
You didn't like my methodology, remember? It wasn't good enough for you, too unscientific. And yet, my methodology has served me so much better than yours, which has failed you completely. Why is that? Your approach has left you in a lurch, lost in Fundamentalist denial.
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26022 Posts |
Posted - 03/09/2011 : 04:12:33 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by le Penseur
I was asked if I would take the time to find some UFO footage on the net that I considered to be genuine. I have kindly fulfilled that request. |
You and I both know that the context behind the request was more complex than you're now suggesting.| But now that isn't good enough for you. You pretend you can learn nothing from observing footage of an actual alien ship, that you need to know my reasoning in pronouncing it genuine. |
Since all I see in that video is a passenger jet and an insect, then yes, I would like to know why you think there's an alien craft in it.| LOl Sure, if you're only interested in learning about me, not an actual alien ship. |
Yes, I am interested in learning about you, since I don't think there are any actual alien ships.| Ask yourself why that is. |
It's because you began this thread by saying you weren't interested in convincing us of the reality of alien visitations, and so I haven't bothered to ask you for evidence that your stories are true. What's left for us is learning about how you think.| You didn't like my methodology, remember? |
It's not a matter of "liking" your method. It's a fact that your method is illogical and thus unreliable.| It wasn't good enough for you, too unscientific. |
That's not what I said at all.| And yet, my methodology has served me so much better than yours, which has failed you completely. |
You haven't demonstrated that to any extent.You need to show that it's true before you start asking why.| Your approach has left you in a lurch, lost in Fundamentalist denial. |
What, precisely, do you think my "method" is, anyway? |
- Dave W. (Private Msg, EMail)
Evidently, I rock!
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le Penseur
Banned
USA
142 Posts |
Posted - 03/09/2011 : 04:59:06 [Permalink]
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bngbuck: sadly, I guess it is ante up, LP! You must not leave a single challenge unanswered!!!
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No, sadly, I guess it's Forget you too, bngbuck, along with the rest of these retarded sheep. When the only other reasonably rational-sounding person in here starts sounding like the rest of these poor people, it may be time to take my leave.
Ante up? I'm not playing poker with you. Nor am I here to jump through hoops, or "challenges" set up by people not bright enough to know that aliens are here.
I already shared the reasons I found the Haiti footage to be fake, and you people chose to shit on it, correct? Not good enough for you, lol, the wisdom I've gained through a lifetime's experiences of direct alien contact. As if YOUR methodology has led you in the right direction?
My brother called earlier as I was reading through these previous posts, I told him what I was doing in here. He couldn't understand why I'd even bother. "The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance - it is the illusion of knowledge."
Anyway. You'll either figure it out or you won't.
I will add, eventually I did succeed in taking video of the aliens ships, I was contacted by a CBS affiliate that wanted to interview me and show my footage on the news, after reading about in on the front page of a couple of area newspapers. The news anchor declared my footage on-air to be "convincing evidence." My interview and footage were re-broadcast nationally by CBS, and I got calls from around the country. That's how we ended up working with Bud Hopkins, UFO Hunters, and a few other names you'd recognize.
It would have been nice to get to that point in telling you about my family's experiences.
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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26022 Posts |
Posted - 03/09/2011 : 06:13:56 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by le Penseur
It would have been nice to get to that point in telling you about my family's experiences. |
Nobody has stopped you. |
- Dave W. (Private Msg, EMail)
Evidently, I rock!
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
 Posted - 03/09/2011 : 06:35:19 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by bngbuck
Dude.....
| He has been invited to do so a dozen times. Doesn't seem like he is interested in doing anything other than being an arrogant dumbass. |
It has been said, Dude, by one far wiser than me, that "When in Rome, do as the Romans do!"
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You mean feed the Christians to the lions? Isn't that illegle? 
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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Fripp
SFN Regular
USA
727 Posts |
Posted - 03/09/2011 : 06:57:01 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by le Penseur
along with the rest of these retarded sheep.
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There we go with the name-calling again. Simply because we (at a skeptics' site, no less) don't blindly accept what an anonymous poster claims. Why do all of you "sole possessors of the Truth" refer to us as "sheep" simply because we don't take what you say at face value? Wouldn't we be "sheep" if we DID?
| When the only other reasonably rational-sounding person in here |
i.e. "the only other person who accepts what i have to say without evidence"
| I'm not playing poker with you. Nor am I here to jump through hoops, or "challenges" set up by people not bright enough to know that aliens are here. |
i.e. "I have absolutely no evidence for my claims so I'm going to call you names. After all, I AM the THINKER!!
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"What the hell is an Aluminum Falcon?"
"Oh, I'm sorry. I thought my Dark Lord of the Sith could protect a small thermal exhaust port that's only 2-meters wide! That thing wasn't even fully paid off yet! You have any idea what this is going to do to my credit?!?!"
"What? Oh, oh, 'just rebuild it'? Oh, real [bleep]ing original. And who's gonna give me a loan, jackhole? You? You got an ATM on that torso LiteBrite?" |
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moakley
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 03/09/2011 : 07:05:41 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by le Penseur
I consider this legitimate.
Let me know what you think.
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Huh? You have a distant focal point and something, likely a UFI, moves through frame within inches. Now please tell us why you believe this to be legitimate. |
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BigPapaSmurf
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 03/09/2011 : 07:30:28 [Permalink]
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Hmm, I'm beginning to think that you are all masochists to endure this nonsense, OP hasnt shown anything from page 1, why are you all still bothering.
P.S. Fripp, owning people is illegal in this country.;) |
"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History
"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
Posted - 03/09/2011 : 08:15:13 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by BigPapaSmurf
Hmm, I'm beginning to think that you are all masochists to endure this nonsense, OP hasnt shown anything from page 1, why are you all still bothering.
P.S. Fripp, owning people is illegal in this country.;)
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Oh, it's had it's moments and there is a certain amusement if not therapeutic value for those of us that are temporarily rendered all but immobile due to Arthur's intractability.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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Hal
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 03/09/2011 : 08:59:32 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
Originally posted by BigPapaSmurf
Hmm, I'm beginning to think that you are all masochists to endure this nonsense, OP hasnt shown anything from page 1, why are you all still bothering.
P.S. Fripp, owning people is illegal in this country.;)
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Oh, it's had it's moments and there is a certain amusement if not therapeutic value for those of us that are temporarily rendered all but immobile due to Arthur's intractability.
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I have a hard time looking away from this sort of thing; the contrast between the OP's initial concession that his fable is probably unbelievable, and his subsequent rage that everyone agrees with that point. I really don't enjoy watching someone become a punching bag, as I know that I'm always capable of similar cognitive dissonance. It's a reminder, to me, that humility and rationality are two sides of the same coin.
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Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 03/09/2011 : 09:57:48 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by le Penseur
I consider this legitimate.
Let me know what you think.
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Thank you for volunteering this as an example you consider to be an authentic alien craft, but it is actually a very distinctive, well-understood photographic artifact that occurs when you film an insect in flight.
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"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman
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ETs are here, despite guesses to the contrary
