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le Penseur
Banned
USA
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 Posted - 03/13/2011 : 08:44:10 [Permalink]
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dude sez:
So why didn't you go to some one in the government to report your abductions? I'm sure you could have found a trusting and sympathetic person to hear you out!
Seriously, how stupid are you? Did you forget your anti government rant at the start of this thread?
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If ignorance is bliss, why isn't this guy happier? |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
9688 Posts |
Posted - 03/13/2011 : 11:25:43 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by le Penseur
DaveW. sez : | le Penseur, how can we tell when the government is lying to us, and when it is telling the truth? |
Wow. Well, what do you mean by the government? Are you talking about your local councilman? Your assemblyman? |
You're ignoring the context in which the question was first given.
We were talking about alien abductions, and cover-ups of alien visitation.
You started this thread to discuss those things, why are you now avoiding them?
It's a preposterous question. |
No it's not.
Do I really have to explain that the government is made up of millions of individuals? |
No, but if it is an individual that lies to you for the purpose of covering up alien abductions, and there is no sanctioned order within the organization to do so, then it isn't the government which is lying to you, it's individuals.
On the other hand, if there are standing orders within the governmental organization to deny and cover up alien abductions, then you can honestly call it "government lying to you".
So I'm curious, which one is it?
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bngbuck
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 03/13/2011 : 13:59:20 [Permalink]
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Le Penseur
To the best of your knowledge, can you explain the nature of the energy source that the Aliens use to propel their vehicles?
Do you have any information as to the mechanism or technology of the vehicles' propulsion and levitation systems?
I would greatly appreciate your devoting one or two of your posts to answering some of the Alien-oriented questions that you have been asked. I am reasonably sure that all will listen, I can assure you that at least Kil and I will listen very carefully and not burden you with further dissections of your credibility to which you, (understandably), feel the necessity to reply. You have plenty of that, right now! Please, Le Penseur ? |
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bngbuck
SFN Addict
USA
2437 Posts |
Posted - 03/13/2011 : 14:20:23 [Permalink]
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Le Penseur.....
Please open and read my Personal Message (PM) to you. Just click on the red words Message Inbox in the box near the upper left corner of the SFN home page. This will take you to your own Personal Message Inbox and allow you to read personal messages from other members. If any arrive that you don't like, it is easy to delete them - sometimes that feels real good! |
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moakley
SFN Regular
USA
1888 Posts |
Posted - 03/14/2011 : 04:58:54 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by bngbuck
Moakley.....
| Is it possible for Skeptics who use the methodology of critical thinking, logical fallacy, and the scientific method to reach conclusions that they would define as "agnostic" as in the appropiate dictionary definition of "agnostic"? |
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Yes, with the already noted exception. |
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Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that may never be questioned. -Anonymous |
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bngbuck
SFN Addict
USA
2437 Posts |
Posted - 03/14/2011 : 13:26:23 [Permalink]
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Moakley.....
| Yes, with the already noted exception. |
Thanks. Your statement along with other indications recently, plus a little outside reading has persuaded me that I would be well advised to rethink my impression as to what terms like agnosticism and atheism, or more broadly uncertainty and absolute certitude, may actually mean.
So far, it still appears that reality lies in the eye of the beholder, but there is much beneath the surface of that apparently simplistic opinion. But nobody ever said that epistemology would be any more fun than an episiotomy!
I wonder how a chess match would come out with the Critical Thinking team versus The Creative Thinking team? Deep Blue (deceased) and current software like Rybka or Deep Junior would be denied to both teams for obvious reasons. Deep pockets could easily buy Deep Fritz or even a reincarnation of Deep Blue (Deep Thought II?) and one of the teams would likely have a rich corporate sponsor {can you spell IBM?)
Just a random thought. What do you think? |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
9688 Posts |
Posted - 03/14/2011 : 15:19:32 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by bngbuck
So far, it still appears that reality lies in the eye of the beholder
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Wrong. Perception of reality lies in the eye of the beholder.
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bngbuck
SFN Addict
USA
2437 Posts |
Posted - 03/14/2011 : 21:47:32 [Permalink]
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HELLO, LE PENSEUR...... !
If I have attracted your attention, please answer one of my recent posts. I am feeling rejected!
(sound of small puppy being systematically starved....whine...eeeoo.o...
....Pleaeeeaaase!... whimper....!) |
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le Penseur
Banned
USA
142 Posts |
Posted - 03/15/2011 : 21:23:57 [Permalink]
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| I'm sorry, there is a family emergency I'm dealing with. I hope to post again someday soon. thank you to everybody, especially bngbuck. I wish you all well. |
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bngbuck
SFN Addict
USA
2437 Posts |
Posted - 03/15/2011 : 21:55:39 [Permalink]
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Le Penseur....
Thanks so much for your courtesy. I hope that all turns out well, also hope to hear from you again!
Bill
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ThorGoLucky
Snuggle Wolf
USA
1487 Posts |
Posted - 03/16/2011 : 11:06:31 [Permalink]
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Latecoming to this already ladened thread that has gone quiet. I read much of it. Whew. That said, here's my take for the record...
I need scientific evidence, not stories. Personal experiences aren't necessarily fact. Exraordinary experience is not extraordinary evidence. Human electro-chemical brains are so easily fooled with their errors in perception, ability to confuse imagination from fact, faulty memory recall, and biases. That's why we need science to eke out truth from wishful thinking. So until there is corroborated physical evidence from quality sources, I'll safely assume that space alien visitations are fantasy from the imaginative, the gullible and/or hoaxers.
And funny how those who claim to have knowledge from space aliens, supernatural, god(s), etc. can never produce anything that they don't already know.
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bngbuck
SFN Addict
USA
2437 Posts |
Posted - 03/16/2011 : 17:25:27 [Permalink]
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Thor.....
What breed of dog is the beautiful pup in your avatar picture? It looks like a Shiba Inu. We share our home with two of these marvelous animals from Japan, and the male pup is a dead ringer for the one that posed for your avatar!
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le Penseur
Banned
USA
142 Posts |
Posted - 03/16/2011 : 20:15:18 [Permalink]
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lucky : And funny how those who claim to have knowledge from space aliens, supernatural, god(s), etc. can never produce anything that they don't already know.
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I'm not sure I understand this sentence. I didn't know these beings existed. I didn't know it was possible to pass right through solid objects, be levitated, etc. There is a hell of a lot of things I didn't already know. Add to that the fact that I was a child when it started, and I didn't know much about anything to begin with, so I'm not really sure what you're getting at.
Are you asking if they gave mathematical formulas that mankind has yet to discover? Something like that? Please be more specific.
But your premise as I understand it isn't correct, I seem to remember that Betty Hill was given knowledge of a star map that was thought incorrect at the time, but twenty years later was confirmed to be accurate.
I can tell you these beings travel interdimensionally, not interstellarly, they don't originate from a planet around a star in our skies, they come from right here, another plane of reality. That right there is something not "already known", most of the UFO community is operating on the premise that these beings are from 'outer space'. |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
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Posted - 03/16/2011 : 21:10:47 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by le Penseur
I'm not sure I understand this sentence. I didn't know these beings existed. I didn't know it was possible to pass right through solid objects, be levitated, etc. There is a hell of a lot of things I didn't already know. Add to that the fact that I was a child when it started, and I didn't know much about anything to begin with, so I'm not really sure what you're getting at.
Are you asking if they gave mathematical formulas that mankind has yet to discover? Something like that? Please be more specific.
But your premise as I understand it isn't correct, I seem to remember that Betty Hill was given knowledge of a star map that was thought incorrect at the time, but twenty years later was confirmed to be accurate.
I can tell you these beings travel interdimensionally, not interstellarly, they don't originate from a planet around a star in our skies, they come from right here, another plane of reality. That right there is something not "already known", most of the UFO community is operating on the premise that these beings are from 'outer space'. |
Most of the above ideas were already a part of popular culture by the time you were allegedly abducted. Aliens that could control minds, walk through walls and travel "interdimensionally" had all been very well explored by science fiction authors and filmmakers decades before you were born. The idea that you were somehow insulated from these ideas but were still a "normal" child is laughable.
On a different note:| But your premise as I understand it isn't correct, I seem to remember that Betty Hill was given knowledge of a star map that was thought incorrect at the time, but twenty years later was confirmed to be accurate. |
Your memory seems to be inaccurate. The debate over that map isn't finished, even today. |
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le Penseur
Banned
USA
142 Posts |
Posted - 03/16/2011 : 21:32:59 [Permalink]
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Almost every post you've made has been laughable. Show me your degree in psychiatry before you judge my childhood, you are clearly unqualified. You are saying that I should have been aware of science fiction written decades before my birth at age five? Laughable.
"The idea that you were somehow insulated from these ideas but were still a normal child is laughable"? You sound insane. An average child at that age was watching sesame street and whatever cartoons they happened to be showing on the three TV channels that existed in 1968 or 1969.
So, then, the star map Betty Hill was given by aliens, that at the time was thought to be incorrect, has NOT been established to be incorrect to this date. In fact, the more information we have as to that region of space supports the star map. My memory isn't inaccurate, your entire rationale is.
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ETs are here, despite guesses to the contrary
