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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 02/28/2011 : 17:01:18 [Permalink]
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le Penseur said:
| Jesus, kid, you've seen too many zombie movies. |
If you want to be a condescending prick, I can show you how to improve your skills. I'm sure it will piss you off, make Kil yell at me, and destroy the possibility of further conversation though. Fair warning, if you want me to remain polite then you should do the same.
But back to your story: I find it interesting that you have some excuse ready at hand as to why you can't provide any evidence of your abduction. How old were you when you were last abducted? Didn't it make you angry that these aliens terrified your mother, intentionally caused you pain? It makes no sense that you wouldn't try to resist.
| The aliens don't leave things lying around for us to grab. I think they thought that one through pretty early on. Much like being put into a cop car and transported to a police station, not much there for someone to swipe from the cop car. |
Nonsense. People escape from cop cars all the time, they resist, fight, sometimes they manage to hurt the police in the process. You are telling me that these aliens (they are bipedal and have bilateral symmetry, have arms and hands, legs and feet, and a head, right?) don't have any loose objects? Especially in parts of their ship they didn't intend for you to enter?
| How smart would launching a violent attack be? Let's see, I was ten years old, ..... |
So, when you were 10, you would just submit to anyone more powerful physically than you? You'd have gotten into a car with a human you didn't know just because they were bigger than you? And you have been snatched multiple times, did they all happen when you were 10? If you have children, would you not tell them to fight if a stranger grabbed them?
| Would it be wise to try and attack, say, police arresting you? |
These are not police, they are beings of unknown intent. So yes, it would be wise (and the normal reaction) to try and resist them. They are taking you against your will, hurting you, terrifying your mother... I'd have been doing all I could to kill them, at 10, even if it wouldn't have been effective.
| Fighting back is impossible. the read your mind instantly and paralyze you with their thoughts. |
You said you surprised them. So obviously their control isn't impossible to resist and is far from perfect.
Anyway...
If you don't like my suggestions for a way to validate your story, then come up with some of your own. What do you think it would take for me to convince you that gravity is caused by invisible fairies (only I can see them) who do nothing but sit around holding stuff down? Because that is where your story sits right now, its a fairy tale until you can give me a mechanism to tell it apart.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
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"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
6891 Posts |
Posted - 02/28/2011 : 17:04:21 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by bngbuck
Dude.....
| If you can't do something along those lines, then you are only going to be met with ridicule. No one really gives a crap about your story, we want evidence only. Your story is just some stupid shit you made up unless you can back it up with evidence, just to be clear here. |
Dude, please explicitly exclude me from your generalizations bolded above.. I am not currently looking for the kind of impossible evidence you ask for. I indeed do give a crap about his story and I strongly want to hear more of it.
Until you or anyone here comes up with a description of possible evidence that it would actually be possible for LP to produce and show, your protests are ludicrous! LP is not presenting himself as Superman! How in the hell could he produce a live alien and show him to you, or anybody else? They are said to control him with super natural powers, not vice versa!
A dead alien? For crissakes, Dude, you want LP to murder one of the fuckers and drop him off on your doorstep? These are represented as beings with enormous powers! You are simply being facetious when you ask for such evidence. Come up with something possible, man. And even if he did manage to off one of the abductors, you couldn't afford to take the time or money to go see it - or if he sent it to you in a box, you could not command the resources to obtain satisfactory pathology on the body.
Please tell me how wrong I am and why. I know all about the Alzheimers, and the senile degeneration and so forth, so please spare me the ritual excoriation!
And even if I were willing to pay all the expenses attendent to Proving The Thing In The Box Is An Alien, which I could easily do, I would require some significant persuasion to fly to the Hudson Valley to examine it. Despite some evidence to the contrary, I don't just throw money around like it was water! How would LP convince me, one who is stoutly defending him right now, to spend a few thou checking out his story?
Well, it wouldn't be easy, but it probably would happen if got to know the guy and there really was some way to produce any kind of actual evidence as to an alien abduction. Right now, I can't think of any and neither can you, or Dave or anyone here. So stop with the evidence carping. Let's find out all the details about who, what, and why these aliens are, and then begin to skeptically dissect those descriptions. The kind of evidence you want is neither practical or possible!
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Bill, take yourself over to the Mitchel thread and answer my question, if you'd be so kind. I'm interested in your answer.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth |
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bngbuck
SFN Addict
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Posted - 02/28/2011 : 17:41:23 [Permalink]
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Dude.....
| I have suggested several possible options, you can surely think of more as well. |
Do you mean these?Provide any one of the following:
1. A live ET, tell them to come over to my place for a drink. I have some high quality single malt waiting for a special occasion.
2. A dead ET. I will tell you where to take it for a full analysis. Starting with a general autopsy and proceeding from there as it merits it, down to the molecular level.
3. ET tech that does something no human tech can do.
4. Tell them to come abduct me (just no probing please). A ride on one of their ships might do the trick, I'll bring my HD video camera too. |
1.A live ET
This little kid just picks up a seven foot live ET and subdues him so that he can drive him off somewhere to prove he exists? How does that work? Or he's a grown man now, these motherfuckers have superpowers, Dude They can shut him down with a thought wave!
2. A dead ET
Sure! Super powered Alien meekly lays down and lets ordinary mortal LP efficiently kill him.
Then LP puts corpse in trunk of car and takes him where? Other ET's stand around egging LP on, nor using their super powers to stop him from killing the first ET.
3. ET tech that does something no human tech can do.
What do you think your chances would be, if somehow you were a visitor at the Los Alamos Weapons Laboratory, or Area 51,; of just strolling around and picking up a little piece of high tech weapons technology that currently was Top Secret, sticking it in your pocket, and srtolling home with it to show to all the kids on the block? Like a 20 terajoule laser weapon, or its equivilant?
4. Tell them to come abduct me!
Best idea you have had in years, Dude But why in the hell would they want to abduct you, or do any other thing they were told or asked to do? I pretty well understand that they kinda are the boss when they're around. I really doubt they take orders or suggestions from those that they abduct!
Dude, do you actually believe that if you were abducted by aliens such as described by LP, you could perform any of the requests that you have made of Le Penseur? Really?
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bngbuck
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Posted - 02/28/2011 : 17:47:25 [Permalink]
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Humbert.....
| So I'm finding it hard to connect even on an emotional level with the events you describe. It just doesn't ring true to me. |
I feel that is a perfectly rational and acceptable comment on LP's narrative. I fully understand that you could feel that way, and I am quite sure that it reflects at least a majority of the collective opinion here on the Forum. Would you rather that he continue, or just go away? |
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bngbuck
SFN Addict
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Posted - 02/28/2011 : 17:51:23 [Permalink]
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Dr. Mabuse.....
| And here you confess to not being of skeptical mind, no matter how much you pretend to be. |
no more pretense, I am not anywhere near being of the skeptical mind that you are, Dr. Mabuse! |
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bngbuck
SFN Addict
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Posted - 02/28/2011 : 18:01:43 [Permalink]
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Dave.....
| Maybe you paid too much attention to bngbuck's bizarre personal grudge against me. |
| I'm disappointed by your work in this post. |
| I didn't reply to seek your approval. I replied because you were cranking up the "poor pitiful me" crap, and your response demonstrates your persecution complex and paranoia all too well. |
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bngbuck
SFN Addict
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Posted - 02/28/2011 : 18:13:25 [Permalink]
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Le Penseur.....
Kil said:
For my part le Penseur, I would rather you didn't leave... |
Remenber, LP, that Kil's opinion carries a little more weight around here than anyone else. After all, he did found SFN |
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le Penseur
Banned
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Posted - 02/28/2011 : 18:14:54 [Permalink]
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Dude, despite your crude cut-and-paste attempt to find error in my response to your suggestion of violence, I've made it quite clear that is was not only unwise, but impossible. For reasons I made clear.
Now you find it odd that I have "some excuse" why I can't show you a dead alien or hand you alien technology? Lol.
I guess the real shame is that the didn't abduct you instead of me, right? You would have attacked them, killed or beaten them, took over the controls of the ship, flew it right onto the set of the Today show with Matt Lauer, and showed the dead aliens to the world! Dude, you could have saved the Earth! Proved it to everyone!
Alas, if only.
Stop embarrassing yourself, Dude. I ask politely. |
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bngbuck
SFN Addict
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Posted - 02/28/2011 : 18:19:49 [Permalink]
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Big Papa Smurf.....
| I don't count you, bng, clearly you exist on a higher plane then the rest of us. |
Well, that's very kind of you BPS, but I think I may just exist on a different plane.
It's not the altitude, it's the lateral positioning. |
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Hawks
SFN Regular
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Posted - 02/28/2011 : 18:31:32 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by bngbuck
Hawks.....
| So... why should anyone remain open to your claim that these were aliens any more than they should be open to the idea that you were hallucinating, dreaming, the victim of a hoax or simply making this stuff up as you go along? |
Hawks, I can only answer for myself. I am, as of now, fully open to all of the possibilities that you enumerate above. And many, many, more. |
In the other thread you were talking about assigning probabilities to hypotheses (i.e. fairies causing gravity). Why don't you go ahead and estimate the probabilities for the scenarios I suggested above. You could start by doing this:
Do people hallucinate? Answer: yes.
Do people dream? Answer: yes.
Do people perform hoaxes? Answer: yes.
Do people make stuff up? Answer: yes.
Do aliens visit Earth? Answer: I don't know.
Do aliens dress the way Penseur says they do? Answer: I don't know.
Do aliens kidnap people? Answer: I don't know.
How is more blah, blah from le Penseur going to make your answers to the alien questions any different? Are you, at some point, simply going to assume that he is telling the truth? |
METHINKS IT IS LIKE A WEASEL
It's a small, off-duty czechoslovakian traffic warden! |
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bngbuck
SFN Addict
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Posted - 02/28/2011 : 18:34:28 [Permalink]
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Filthy.....
| This thread has become boring to the point of torture. |
Well, hell, Filth, just don't read it. It's like the TV. Don't like it, turn it off or find another channel. There seems to be a lot of threads going on around here! I know you're kind of shy, but start your own thread. I'll bet you can get as many lurkers as our pathetic offerings on this topic. And as the rats desert the sinking ship, we'll be forced to give up soon! |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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6891 Posts |
Posted - 02/28/2011 : 18:35:26 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by bngbuck
Dude.....
| I have suggested several possible options, you can surely think of more as well. |
Do you mean these?Provide any one of the following:
1. A live ET, tell them to come over to my place for a drink. I have some high quality single malt waiting for a special occasion.
2. A dead ET. I will tell you where to take it for a full analysis. Starting with a general autopsy and proceeding from there as it merits it, down to the molecular level.
3. ET tech that does something no human tech can do.
4. Tell them to come abduct me (just no probing please). A ride on one of their ships might do the trick, I'll bring my HD video camera too. |
1.A live ET
This little kid just picks up a seven foot live ET and subdues him so that he can drive him off somewhere to prove he exists? How does that work? Or he's a grown man now, these motherfuckers have superpowers, Dude They can shut him down with a thought wave!
2. A dead ET
Sure! Super powered Alien meekly lays down and lets ordinary mortal LP efficiently kill him.
Then LP puts corpse in trunk of car and takes him where? Other ET's stand around egging LP on, nor using their super powers to stop him from killing the first ET.
3. ET tech that does something no human tech can do.
What do you think your chances would be, if somehow you were a visitor at the Los Alamos Weapons Laboratory, or Area 51,; of just strolling around and picking up a little piece of high tech weapons technology that currently was Top Secret, sticking it in your pocket, and srtolling home with it to show to all the kids on the block? Like a 20 terajoule laser weapon, or its equivilant?
4. Tell them to come abduct me!
Best idea you have had in years, Dude But why in the hell would they want to abduct you, or do any other thing they were told or asked to do? I pretty well understand that they kinda are the boss when they're around. I really doubt they take orders or suggestions from those that they abduct!
Dude, do you actually believe that if you were abducted by aliens such as described by LP, you could perform any of the requests that you have made of Le Penseur? Really?
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Pay attention to the thread Bill.
But to answer your last question, if I were abducted, caused pain, witnessed my mother being terrorized, the only reaction I can predict for myself would be anger. I find le Penseur's reaction (the whole "what a rush" thing) bewildering. If I'd been abducted as a teen or adult, I would absolutely try and resist, I'd do everything I could to take something from them (skin cells, blood, some small object). le Penseur's failure to even try any of those things is also bewildering.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
6891 Posts |
Posted - 02/28/2011 : 18:46:48 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by le Penseur
Dude, despite your crude cut-and-paste attempt to find error in my response to your suggestion of violence, I've made it quite clear that is was not only unwise, but impossible. For reasons I made clear.
Now you find it odd that I have "some excuse" why I can't show you a dead alien or hand you alien technology? Lol.
I guess the real shame is that the didn't abduct you instead of me, right? You would have attacked them, killed or beaten them, took over the controls of the ship, flew it right onto the set of the Today show with Matt Lauer, and showed the dead aliens to the world! Dude, you could have saved the Earth! Proved it to everyone!
Alas, if only.
Stop embarrassing yourself, Dude. I ask politely.
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You've made nothing clear, you have only described a severely abnormal response to fear and danger.
Are you telling me that you were only abducted when you were a 10 year old boy? If so, it sounds more like a catholic priest than an alien who abducted you. You claim repeated abductions, and your reaction to them is so off the wall that you can't honestly expect a reasonable person to not question it. Why do you think its a "rush" when you think about your mother being terrified by people taking her and her children by force and causing them (and her) pain? Shouldn't the normal reaction be anger and fear?
You are doing nothing but hand-waving and ignoring legitimate criticism of your story. If you want it to be taken seriously then you have to be able to answer these criticisms with more than your arrogant dismissal. More importantly, you (since you reject all my ideas, you need to get one of your own) need to give me a way to tell your story apart from fairy tales.
Don't get me wrong, I don't doubt that you are telling the truth here, in so far as your memory is informing you that these things happened to you. But your story can't be taken as fact, can't be considered truth, unless you step up to the plate and make the case.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
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 Posted - 02/28/2011 : 19:15:56 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by bngbuck
Le Penseur.....
Kil said:
For my part le Penseur, I would rather you didn't leave... |
Remenber, LP, that Kil's opinion carries a little more weight around here than anyone else. After all, he did found SFN
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