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Dave W.
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 Posted - 08/29/2011 : 16:01:02 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
Originally posted by Fripp
If I may be so bold, perhaps it is time for a master list of questions posed of Officiant that he has avoided answering (a cowardly act in itself) |
We've done that before. IIRC, it was latinijral that we had to do it to. |
I've done it to several people around here, including verlch, JerryB and Mozina. We've never gotten any serious answers, and I don't think Officiant is going to be any different than those whackjobs, so I (for one) am not going to put forth the effort. Especially not when only a single repeatedly dodged question is needed to show Officiant's cowardice. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 08/29/2011 : 16:05:47 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Officiant
Dear Dude and Dave W., Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. |
So why do you keep on doing what you're doing? I know you're trying to imply that I'm the insane one, but I never expected a different response from you. I know you'll never grow a pair, I was just gathering more evidence of that.
By the way, Einstein had plenty of agnostic leanings. Why do you keep quoting people that you think are idiots? |
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marfknox
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 08/29/2011 : 17:03:59 [Permalink]
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Officient: | Dear marfknox et al, You write about a "teeny tiny minority of terrorists" as though they are trivial and nothing to worry about. Have you heard about 9/11? That was not so teeny tiny was it? Their teeny tiny bombs in suicide vests have caused huge numbers of deaths and the maiming of innocents. We recently had the trial here in Canada known as the Toronto 18. These boys were born and educated in Canada and they planned to plant a large bomb in the financial district. Home grown terrorists. |
Wow. Somehow you even quoted me directly and still got it wrong! I didn't say that the impact of Islamic terrorism is teeny tiny. I wrote "teen tiny minority of terrorists". In other words, I said that the proportion of Muslims who are terrorists and who support terrorism is teeny tiny. Duh.
You asked why did Huxley go to church. Because, as I mentioned before in this thread to you and you never responded, religion is about more than faith, and faith is not necessary to religion. Religion is a cultural institution, and membership offers certain advantages, regardless of what people believe in the privacy of their own mind and heart. Dumbass. |
"Too much certainty and clarity could lead to cruel intolerance" -Karen Armstrong
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
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Posted - 08/29/2011 : 18:45:27 [Permalink]
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Officiant:
So why did Huxley go to church? |
In what sense? Because I can't find a single thing about his being a church goer anywhere. He spent much of his life battling the church and supporting science, and there are tons of references for that. And even if he did go to church, there are many reasons a person might do while still not being a believer.
Also, you asked Marf to name right wing atheists. You have replaced "right wing" with "supporting the religious right."
You really are a weasel.
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Officiant
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 08/29/2011 : 19:01:57 [Permalink]
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| Dave W. I must have struck a nerve with you when I wrote, 'Agnostic atheists are cowardly pseudo-intellectual dilettantes." I have answered this before but you didn't like my answers. Go back and take a look. Why does agnostic have to tag along with atheist as a crutch? Is it too puny to stand on its own? I'll now demonstrate your cowardice. It has been suggested by Fripp that you compile a master list of questions I have allegedly avoided answering. You couldn't find any. Now what should little Davey do? Make up a bullshit excuse and run away. You don't think I am any different because of what others have done so that is your pusillanimous excuse to avoid losing the argument and having to admit you are wrong. That is illogical and a lame excuse. So take your best shot. I can kick the shit out of your list. |
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 08/29/2011 : 19:33:49 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Officiant
You don't think I am any different because of what others have done so that is your pusillanimous excuse to avoid losing the argument and having to admit you are wrong. |
Officiant, you lost all possibility of winning an argument ages ago. We're up to 15 pages and you still can't even correctly define your terms. Your incoherent, childish rants and context-less quotes don't qualify as arguments, and "winning" is not defined as the person who gets in the last word. So even if Dave never posts in this thread again, you are still clearly the loser.
Your failure to admit defeat has no bearing on who gets to claim victory. |
"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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26022 Posts |
Posted - 08/29/2011 : 19:37:44 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Officiant
Dave W. I must have struck a nerve with you when I wrote... |
Ah, the old, tired "I must have struck a nerve" gambit, a silly play-ground taunting fit only for a fifth-grader. Are you ten years old, Officiant?| ...'Agnostic atheists are cowardly pseudo-intellectual dilettantes." I have answered this before but you didn't like my answers. |
No, I know you gave an answer, but it wasn't an answer to the question I asked. It was just a pathetic rewording of the original claim.I won't do your homework for you. If you claim to have answered the question, then the burden of proof is on you.| Why does agnostic have to tag along with atheist as a crutch? |
You see reality as a crutch? What is it a crutch for? Not being able to deal with your faith in atheism?| Is it too puny to stand on its own? |
Apparently, yes. Category seven atheists have as much faith as category one theists, according to Dawkins.| I'll now demonstrate your cowardice. It has been suggested by Fripp that you compile a master list of questions I have allegedly avoided answering. You couldn't find any. |
An outright lie. Where is your evidence that "Agnostic atheists are cowardly pseudo-intellectual dilettantes" is a question for which you haven't provided a direct answer.| Now what should little Davey do? Make up a bullshit excuse and run away. |
No, I'm still right here, boy.| You don't think I am any different because of what others have done so that is your pusillanimous excuse to avoid losing the argument and having to admit you are wrong. |
You know, James Randi has a million bucks that he'll give you if you can prove that you can read minds. Since what you just said is nothing like what's in my head, you shouldn't apply for it.| That is illogical and a lame excuse. |
It's a straw man is what it is.Okay, where is your evidence that "Agnostic atheists are cowardly pseudo-intellectual dilettantes?"| I can kick the shit out of your list. |
My list need not contain more than one question to demonstrate your cowardice. |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
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 Posted - 08/29/2011 : 20:22:12 [Permalink]
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Officiant:
Why does agnostic have to tag along with atheist as a crutch? |
It's hard to believe that Officiant actually copied the CSI rules for us and continues to post comments like this one. Really... It is.
We have seen many people who have over and over again used logical fallacies. But I can't think of even one who seemed to have an inkling about what they were, and knew they were not a good thing, and yet continued using them.
This is new here, I think.
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Hawks
SFN Regular
Canada
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Posted - 08/29/2011 : 21:02:36 [Permalink]
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Regarding that master list, I would like to know how Officiant can claim:
| It (agnosticism) asserts that a proposition is necessarily true because it has not been proven false (or vice versa) |
and also supply a definition of agnosticism that looks like this:
Definition of AGNOSTIC
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: a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god |
How does Officiant reconcile the two quotes above? |
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
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Posted - 08/30/2011 : 07:18:30 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Hawks
Regarding that master list, I would like to know how Officiant can claim:
| It (agnosticism) asserts that a proposition is necessarily true because it has not been proven false (or vice versa) |
and also supply a definition of agnosticism that looks like this:
Definition of AGNOSTIC
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: a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god |
How does Officiant reconcile the two quotes above?
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I would expect the same way that Humpty Dumpty did. He masters the words. The words do not master him.
Or, Miss Malaprop.
Oh, and Dave I have a 9 year old that doesn't taunt like that. You owe my son an apology. |
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Officiant
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 08/30/2011 : 07:35:30 [Permalink]
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| Dave W., How many more times are you going to ask for proof of my opinion that,'Agnostic atheists are cowardly pseudo-intellectual dilettantes'? Every time you ask this you prove that you are a cowardly pseudo-intellectual dilettante and maybe insane like the quote from Einstein indicates. Your boring repetition demonstrates a weak mind. So where's the shit list you coward? Is your boring question the only tune you can play? |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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26022 Posts |
Posted - 08/30/2011 : 08:45:59 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Officiant
Dave W., How many more times are you going to ask for proof of my opinion that,'Agnostic atheists are cowardly pseudo-intellectual dilettantes'? |
I never once asked for proof, I asked you for the evidence upon which you based your opinion. Or did you just make it up out of whole cloth?| Every time you ask this you prove that you are a cowardly pseudo-intellectual dilettante... |
How so?| ...and maybe insane like the quote from Einstein indicates. |
As I said, I didn't expect a different response. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting the same response every time isn't insane.| Your boring repetition demonstrates a weak mind. |
I'm not the one who is resorting to bald-faced lies to get out of answering a simple question, sonny.| So where's the shit list you coward? |
I told you already: there's no need for a list when you repeatedly refuse to address the first question that would be on it.| Is your boring question the only tune you can play? |
It's the only one required to reveal your hypocritical dishonesty.
What is the evidence that supports your claim that "Agnostic atheists are cowardly pseudo-intellectual dilettantes," Officiant? |
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Officiant
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 08/30/2011 : 08:58:56 [Permalink]
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| Dear Marfknox, You said, "religion is about more than faith, and faith is not necessary to religion." I responded to this on page 11 but after some reflection I think I understand what you mean. There are even plenty of clergy out there who do not believe. We could have a scenario in a church where the minister is just there for a paycheck, the choir just likes the music and the congregation just wants to look good and showoff their nicest clothes and all are unbelievers. Apply this idea to the Muslim suicide bomber however. It stretches one's credibility to think a Muslim would volunteer to die without being brainwashed by religion. We should also always remember that we are all animals and just like animals we can be trained. |
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Officiant
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 08/30/2011 : 09:38:56 [Permalink]
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| On the editorial page in the Toronto Star of Aug. 27th there is a repeat of an editorial from the Los Angeles Times. The beauty of changing truths is the heading. A new analysis of a rock brought back by the Apollo 16 astronauts indicates the moon may be 200 million years younger than scientists estimated. "For centuries, scientists have been making paradigm-shifting discoveries that reordered our sense of the universe and our place in it." The probability of gods and the supernatural existing is as close to zero as mathematics will allow. I already wrote that I am only 99.999999% sure that atheism is all there is. Agnosticism is just being afraid to make that decision because the probability is a hair less than 100% but be afraid no longer. Until God shows up your doorstep there is the beauty of changing truths. |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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26022 Posts |
Posted - 08/30/2011 : 10:05:56 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Officiant
On the editorial page in the Toronto Star of Aug. 27th there is a repeat of an editorial from the Los Angeles Times. The beauty of changing truths is the heading. |
Link.| A new analysis of a rock brought back by the Apollo 16 astronauts indicates the moon may be 200 million years younger than scientists estimated. "For centuries, scientists have been making paradigm-shifting discoveries that reordered our sense of the universe and our place in it." |
The author is a wee bit hyperbolic to suggest that a 200-million-year shift in the Moon's age is a "paradigm-shifting discovery."| The probability of gods and the supernatural existing is as close to zero as mathematics will allow. |
Shows how much you know: mathematics allows things to be exactly zero. It's the science which cannot completely exclude the possibility of the existence of one or more gods.| I already wrote that I am only 99.999999% sure that atheism is all there is. |
Welcome to the world of cowardly, pseudo-intellectual dilletantes, then.| Agnosticism is just being afraid to make that decision because the probability is a hair less than 100%... |
No, that's a lie.| ...but be afraid no longer. Until God shows up your doorstep there is the beauty of changing truths. |
That doesn't make any sort of sense. And the whole comment sounds like a kiss-off. I hope that's what it was. |
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