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Machi4velli
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 Posted - 11/22/2013 : 00:22:26 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Less cancer, huh. Interestingly, the poll suggests that the numbers could be significantly lower if those in poverty has more/better health insurance, thanks to preventative medicine, check-ups, etc., which would cost much less. I'd like to see the same poll, but with "insured" and "uninsured" as the categories. I would hypothesize that those problems correlate better with being uninsured than they do with poverty. |
Could be true, I don't know
| If ROI on insurance were equal, everyone would get the same $x spent on their healthcare for every $1 they paid for insurance. Of course there will be outliers since outliers are the whole point of insurance... |
I see. And yes, if ROI on insurance were equal, there'd be no need for insurance. It'd be pay-as-you-go all around, a model that assures ROI is equal, but poor people get sick and die at much higher rates. |
You're responding to the outliers for which I allowed. We can average ROI for subsets of the population, and these numbers are the ones that I suspect will diverge more.
| All of them. What do you mean, "which customers?" |
Well, if ROI decreases faster for one set of customers than another set of customers, one would think the former will be paying disproportionately for it.
| It can't be an ad hominem because I don't care what the ACA's effects will be on ROI, since I think the insurance model itself is broken and needs to be eliminated. Regardless of its effects on ROI, the ACA should be kept around because it's a stepping stone towards nationalized health care without insurance. |
I meant to argue the point of fact only, though I felt like you were rejecting it on the basis of your thinking that the healthcare system is flawed and asserting that disagreeing with that is inherently dehumanizing, which seemed like an attack on those who disagree and not the claim.
Perhaps I misread the situation. |
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| Edited by - Machi4velli on 11/22/2013 00:27:51 |
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Machi4velli
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Posted - 11/22/2013 : 00:26:35 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
Not for the democrat party. To them this is an issue of potential voters and nothing more. Their disdain for voter ID law proves that point. The UN voting observers at the last presidential election came away stunned that most voters didn't even have to show an ID to vote. We can legally require ID's to buy cigs, porn, alcohol, lottery tickets, to cash a check etc... etc... etc... but as soon as you mention needing one to vote the progressives get their panties all twisted claiming that this is somehow racist?!?!?!?!? But requiring an ID for all these other transactions somehow is not?!?!?!?!? Down is up, left is right, right is wrong in the progressive's politically correct backwards bizaro world.  |
I believe most every modern (and even not-so-modern) nation requires ID for voting. Heck, make an exception for anyone over 70. Especially old people from backwoods places are the only examples I have heard that actually can't get an ID. In 10-20 years, it'll kick in for most everyone.
I have no idea why it's supposed to be racist, but it does look like a matter of seeking political gain when it comes about right before an election in Republican states and the change is expected to help Republicans in the short-term.
That's why i would argue to do it a year ago, no election coming up (nationally), give people years to figure it out. |
"Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people."
-Giordano Bruno
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, but the illusion of knowledge."
-Stephen Hawking
"Seeking what is true is not seeking what is desirable"
-Albert Camus |
| Edited by - Machi4velli on 11/22/2013 00:34:45 |
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Machi4velli
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Posted - 11/22/2013 : 00:38:27 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by Machi4velli
You mentioned these things as examples of behaviors correlated with income that waste health dollars, not me. They're negligible compared to other sources of costs because they hardly exist. |
I mentioned them as a few examples, not the only examples. The sum of all the ways the rich waste health dollars isn't likely to also be negligible. |
Maybe, but you haven't given a single way in which they waste health dollars of any significance. |
"Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people."
-Giordano Bruno
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, but the illusion of knowledge."
-Stephen Hawking
"Seeking what is true is not seeking what is desirable"
-Albert Camus |
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Obamacare is the worst thing since slavery!
