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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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 Posted - 01/18/2014 : 03:48:15 [Permalink]
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To me, Rumtopf resembles a broken record playing the same groove again and again. It gets tiring.
There isn't much discussion, only demands of answering questions which are very poorly formulated. They include several suppositions which are not in evidence. Like if the answer to question #1 is "no", then question #2 is moot.
It also seems like Rumtopf needs a few lessons in science and what constitutes scientific evidence, theory, and consensus.
My motivation for being here at Skeptic Friends Network is to learn more. What I have learned thus far in this thread are a few things:
There is a forensic archaeologist(?) called Caroline Sturdy Colls who is studying Treblinka in order to learn the locations of the remains of the people killed there.
To me unknown sources, unreferenced by Rumtopf claims that 900k Jews were murdered at Treblinka.
Rumtopf lacks rudimentary knowledge of how scientific claims or questions are formulated.
Rumtopf lacks the ability to change perspective and re-formulate questions when new information is revealed to him. |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
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Posted - 01/18/2014 : 06:17:11 [Permalink]
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For those who don't remember, Greg Gerdes hisownself graced our pages about four years ago (as "dantheman").
Rumtopf's not doing near enough copy-and-pasting from nafcash.com, not if he wants to emulate his neo-Nazi hero. |
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Rumtopf
Banned
126 Posts |
Posted - 01/18/2014 : 11:52:38 [Permalink]
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Dr. Mabuse:
"There isn't much discussion"
Would you like to have a discussion about the mass graves of Treblinka Dr. Mabuse? And the fraud of Caroline Colls?
Why don't you start the discussion by telling us what your answer is to this question:
At Treblinka II, it is known - WITH 100 % CERTAINTY - that, to date, no more than and no less than __?__ extant graves have been discovered, in which legitimate archaeologists / crime scene investigators have - via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented forensic science - literally / truly - physically unearthed / tangibly located - actual, verifiable, scientifically proven human remains. |
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Rumtopf
Banned
126 Posts |
Posted - 01/18/2014 : 11:55:07 [Permalink]
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Dave W:
"Besides, if I answer Greg Gerdes, I can get $70,000"
Then what are you waiting for Dave? |
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Rumtopf
Banned
126 Posts |
Posted - 01/18/2014 : 12:00:54 [Permalink]
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Dr. Mabuse:
"It also seems like Rumtopf needs a few lessons in science and what constitutes scientific evidence, theory, and consensus."
What I"m interested in Dr., is scientific proof.
It is an irrefutable fact that “archaeologist” Caroline Sturdy Colls did not actually locate / prove the existence of a single real grave that contains the remains of so-much-as - 1 / 1,000 of 1 % - of the alleged buried bodies.
If you deny this irrefutable fact, then it begs the simple question:
Where is the so-called “proof” and what are the names of the forensic experts who have explicitly endorsed it?
Do you have any proof of mass graves at Treblinka Dr. Mabuse?
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
13477 Posts |
Posted - 01/18/2014 : 12:38:52 [Permalink]
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Rumtopf:
What I"m interested in Dr., is scientific proof. |
No. You are looking for evidence that would lead you to a conclusion, which is subject to change with the introduction of new evidence. "Proof" exists only in math and alcohol.
Mab is correct. You really don't know much about science. |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
13477 Posts |
Posted - 01/18/2014 : 12:44:00 [Permalink]
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By the way. Does the lack of "the existence of a single real grave" at Treblinka invalidate all of the evidence that the holocaust happened? If so, logical fallacy anyone? And why exactly would we expect to find "the existence of a single real grave" if, as the story goes, the bodies were exhumed and burned?
Here's what doesn't follow. That lacking "the existence of a single real grave" invalidates the accepted Treblinka narrative complete with eye witness accounts from people who were there. The claim that it didn't happen, that Treblinka wasn't a death camp is on the person making the claim. It's not up to us to "prove" that it happened since the consensus view is that it did.
Take it or leave it. If you come on to a skeptics site, you will be held to a standard that conspiracy theorists rarely, if ever, concern themselves with.
If you can't provide the evidence that Treblinka wasn't a death camp, you have no case, Rumtopf.
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Rumtopf
Banned
126 Posts |
Posted - 01/18/2014 : 16:35:38 [Permalink]
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Kil:
"It's not up to us to "prove" that it happened since the consensus view is that it did."
Ah yes, "the consensus view" is how skeptics determine if something is true or not - I had forgot how skepticism works. (Wow, you are an embarrassment to skepticism Kil. I could have a field day with you on that one, but I want to discuss the alleged mass graves of Treblnka and Caroline Colls deceptive allegations instead.)
So Kil, it is you who really doesn't know much about science, and you are wrong about what the issue is here. As I said in the opening post:
Remember, the issue here isn’t about history per se - it's about the duplicity of the sham archaeologists who fraudulently claim that they have scientifically proven it.
Now let's get back to the issue of the alleged mass graves of Treblinka, shall we Kil? And let's begin our discussion with your answer to this simple question:
#2 - At Treblinka II, it is known - WITH 100 % CERTAINTY - that, to date, no more than and no less than __?__ extant graves have been discovered, in which legitimate archaeologists / crime scene investigators have - via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented forensic science - literally / truly - physically unearthed / tangibly located - actual, verifiable, scientifically proven human remains.
And remember also Kil, even Dave W has admitted that it is an irrefutable fact that “archaeologist” Caroline Sturdy Colls did not actually locate / prove the existence of a single real grave that contains the remains of so-much-as - 1 / 1,000 of 1 % - of the alleged buried bodies; and that the answer to question #1 is - No. and #2 is - Zero.
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
13477 Posts |
Posted - 01/18/2014 : 18:08:03 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Rumtopf
Ah yes, "the consensus view" is how skeptics determine if something is true or not - I had forgot how skepticism works. |
The consensus view is the default. It’s up to you to demonstrate with evidence that it’s wrong. It’s not up to me to validate the consensus view. I make no claim other than to say that the consensus view is usually the best interpretation of the existing evidence.
Rumtopf:
Now let's get back to the issue of the alleged mass graves of Treblinka, shall we Kil? And let's begin our discussion with your answer to this simple question:
#2 - At Treblinka II, it is known - WITH 100 % CERTAINTY - that, to date, no more than and no less than __?__ extant graves have been discovered, in which legitimate archaeologists / crime scene investigators have - via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented forensic science - literally / truly - physically unearthed / tangibly located - actual, verifiable, scientifically proven human remains. |
Oh please. If you can’t glean my answer to this ridiculously phrased question from my previous post, there really is no hope for you.
Perhaps reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit.
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Rumtopf
Banned
126 Posts |
Posted - 01/18/2014 : 18:17:00 [Permalink]
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Kil, according to the consensus / default view:
#2 - At Treblinka II, it is known - WITH 100 % CERTAINTY - that, to date, no more than and no less than __?__ extant graves have been discovered, in which legitimate archaeologists / crime scene investigators have - via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented forensic science - literally / truly - physically unearthed / tangibly located - actual, verifiable, scientifically proven human remains.
Kil, do you deny that:
It is an irrefutable fact that “archaeologist” Caroline Sturdy Colls did not actually locate / prove the existence of a single real grave that contains the remains of so-much-as - 1 / 1,000 of 1 % - of the alleged buried bodies.
Yes. - or - No. - _?_
(Remember, the issue here isn’t about history per se - it's about the duplicity of the sham archaeologists who fraudulently claim that they have scientifically proven it.) |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
13477 Posts |
Posted - 01/18/2014 : 18:44:55 [Permalink]
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| You're fucking kidding, right? |
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Rumtopf
Banned
126 Posts |
Posted - 01/18/2014 : 19:43:51 [Permalink]
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That's twice now that Kil has refused to answer two simple questions:
Third time - Kil, according to the consensus / default view:
#2 - At Treblinka II, it is known - WITH 100 % CERTAINTY - that, to date, no more than and no less than __?__ extant graves have been discovered, in which legitimate archaeologists / crime scene investigators have - via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented forensic science - literally / truly - physically unearthed / tangibly located - actual, verifiable, scientifically proven human remains.
Kil, do you deny that:
It is an irrefutable fact that “archaeologist” Caroline Sturdy Colls did not actually locate / prove the existence of a single real grave that contains the remains of so-much-as - 1 / 1,000 of 1 % - of the alleged buried bodies.
Yes. - or - No. - _?_
(Remember, the issue here isn’t about history per se - it's about the duplicity of the sham archaeologists who fraudulently claim that they have scientifically proven it.) |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
13477 Posts |
Posted - 01/18/2014 : 20:16:17 [Permalink]
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#2 is a ridiculously phrased attempt to refute a claim that was never made. It's a strawman.
#3 is again an attempt to refute a claim that was never made. So again, strawman.
Questions with such a high level of dishonesty can be answered with this question:
You're fucking kidding me, right?
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Rumtopf
Banned
126 Posts |
Posted - 01/18/2014 : 20:33:39 [Permalink]
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It looks like fill in the blank and yes or no questions are too hard for kil to understand. Poor guy. But maybe he has the brain power to understand true or false questions. Let's find out. Kil:
# 3 - Is it true or false that, at - Treblinka II - there were actual trash and/or trash burning pits and/or latrine pits / trenches and/or water wells that were dug / used as such by the Germans - during their time of occupation? - TRUE. - or - FALSE. __?__
Kil's answer - __?__
# 4 - Is it true or false that, at - Treblinka II - there were numerous exploratory excavations dug by so-called “robbery diggers / treasure seekers,” and/or by Soviet / Polish investigators - after the time of German occupation? - TRUE. - or - FALSE. __?__
Kil's answer - __?__
# 5 - Is it true or false that, extraneous cremation remains have been deposited at - Treblinka II - after the time of German occupation? - TRUE. - or - FALSE. __?__
Kil's answer - __?__
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
13477 Posts |
Posted - 01/18/2014 : 20:53:06 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Rumtopf
It looks like fill in the blank and yes or no questions are too hard for kil to understand. Poor guy. But maybe he has the brain power to understand true or false questions. Let's find out. Kil:
# 3 - Is it true or false that, at - Treblinka II - there were actual trash and/or trash burning pits and/or latrine pits / trenches and/or water wells that were dug / used as such by the Germans - during their time of occupation? - TRUE. - or - FALSE. __?__
Kil's answer - __?__
# 4 - Is it true or false that, at - Treblinka II - there were numerous exploratory excavations dug by so-called “robbery diggers / treasure seekers,” and/or by Soviet / Polish investigators - after the time of German occupation? - TRUE. - or - FALSE. __?__
Kil's answer - __?__
# 5 - Is it true or false that, extraneous cremation remains have been deposited at - Treblinka II - after the time of German occupation? - TRUE. - or - FALSE. __?__
Kil's answer - __?__
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Ohhh... You are really going to have to ask me much nicer than you have, to get me to go to the trouble of playing your game with you. Much nicer! |
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Archaeological Fraud At Treblinka
