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ergo123
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non-federal-government-linked evidence
Nice rule change.
Someone pointed out that just saying 'non-government' took away all state and local govedrnment-linked evidence, like first responder accounts. So I added 'federal'. |
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pleco
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Posted - 10/10/2006 : 11:34:54 [Permalink]
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From http://www.panynj.gov/AboutthePortAuthority/PressCenter/PressReleases/PressRelease/index.php?id=61:
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...the occupancy rate at the trade center has risen from 78 percent to a healthy 98 percent...
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Today, only about 250,000 of the 10.4 million square feet of office space in the trade center remains vacant. And the legal center has an occupancy rate of over 99 percent.
However, this is a GOVERNMENT site and therefore subject to dismissal and handwaving. And not this report was in Feb of 2001, seven months before the event. If anyone has anything more updated, please post. |
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pleco
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Posted - 10/10/2006 : 11:36:30 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by ergo123
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Originally posted by pleco
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non-federal-government-linked evidence
Nice rule change.
Someone pointed out that just saying 'non-government' took away all state and local govedrnment-linked evidence, like first responder accounts. So I added 'federal'.
No, I notice the "linked" added, which I interpret to mean that you won't accept anything that is linked to the federal government. Which could mean anything, including all footnotes in the NIST document. If my interpretation is wrong, please clarify. |
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furshur
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Posted - 10/10/2006 : 11:45:43 [Permalink]
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Ergo is right we need to be looking at different possiblilites as to the cause of the collapse. I did not see anywhere in the NIST where they investigated the possible connection between Lucifer and the collapse.
They simply dismissed the possiblity out of hand; I smell a conspiracy, or is that sulfur.....
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pleco
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Posted - 10/10/2006 : 12:05:34 [Permalink]
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| That's a hell of an afro the Devil's sportin'...pun intended. |
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Neurosis
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Posted - 10/10/2006 : 12:12:09 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by ergo123
THAT'S why I'm looking for independent validation of the NIST Report. To me, it looks like NIST started with a conclusion (gravity-only collapse) and worked backwards to re-create it. I don't think they started out trying to replicate all the physical events we all saw that day. But I want to be sure that is an accurate perception before I believe it to be true (in my mind, that makes me a skeptic).
Demonstrate what evidence they left out and your analogy works. Otherwise...
Also some of the NIST sources were:
Some 200 technical experts—including about 85 career NIST experts and 125 leading experts from the private sector and academia — tens of thousands of documents, interviews of more than 1,000 people, reviews of 7,000 segments of video footage and 7,000 photographs, analyzed 236 pieces of steel from the wreckage, performed laboratory tests and sophisticated computer simulations of the sequence of events that occurred from the moment the aircraft struck the towers until they began to collapse.
Why are they not independent?
You have yet to clarify how any usual circumstance or peice of evidence is better explained by a CD considering all of the evidence. |
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Neurosis
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Posted - 10/10/2006 : 12:14:38 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by furshur
Ergo is right we need to be looking at different possiblilites as to the cause of the collapse. I did not see anywhere in the NIST where they investigated the possible connection between Lucifer and the collapse.
They simply dismissed the possiblity out of hand; I smell a conspiracy, or is that sulfur.....
Oh Satan! Of course why didn't I think of that. I am going to call an emergency seance tonight and scold his hide! |
Facts! Pssh, you can prove anything even remotely true with facts.
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[God] is an infinite nothing from nowhere with less power over our universe than the secretary of agriculture.
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ergo123
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Posted - 10/10/2006 : 13:05:22 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by pleco
From http://www.panynj.gov/AboutthePortAuthority/PressCenter/PressReleases/PressRelease/index.php?id=61:
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...the occupancy rate at the trade center has risen from 78 percent to a healthy 98 percent...
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Today, only about 250,000 of the 10.4 million square feet of office space in the trade center remains vacant. And the legal center has an occupancy rate of over 99 percent.
However, this is a GOVERNMENT site and therefore subject to dismissal and handwaving. And not this report was in Feb of 2001, seven months before the event. If anyone has anything more updated, please post.
I just get a blank page when I go to the link you have provided--just the PA shell with no press release content. |
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ergo123
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Posted - 10/10/2006 : 13:23:46 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by pleco
From http://www.panynj.gov/AboutthePortAuthority/PressCenter/PressReleases/PressRelease/index.php?id=61:
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...the occupancy rate at the trade center has risen from 78 percent to a healthy 98 percent...
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Today, only about 250,000 of the 10.4 million square feet of office space in the trade center remains vacant. And the legal center has an occupancy rate of over 99 percent.
However, this is a GOVERNMENT site and therefore subject to dismissal and handwaving. And not this report was in Feb of 2001, seven months before the event. If anyone has anything more updated, please post.
Okay--found it. But the occupancy figures they list are for the entire trade center (all 7 buildings), not just the twin towers. |
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furshur
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Posted - 10/10/2006 : 14:27:51 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by pleco
From http://www.panynj.gov/AboutthePortAuthority/PressCenter/PressReleases/PressRelease/index.php?id=61:
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...the occupancy rate at the trade center has risen from 78 percent to a healthy 98 percent...
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Today, only about 250,000 of the 10.4 million square feet of office space in the trade center remains vacant. And the legal center has an occupancy rate of over 99 percent.
However, this is a GOVERNMENT site and therefore subject to dismissal and handwaving. And not this report was in Feb of 2001, seven months before the event. If anyone has anything more updated, please post.
Okay--found it. But the occupancy figures they list are for the entire trade center (all 7 buildings), not just the twin towers.
Well then get of your lazy ass and do some of your own research. You are the one with the questions and you are the seeker of truth, so look it up yourself.
Are you helpless??
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tomk80
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Posted - 10/10/2006 : 16:57:36 [Permalink]
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yeah, i guess you're right ; there can only be one way to set up a cd in this universe... i suppose it would be impossible to set it up any other way... here you go dave; another one for the closed-mind pile.
Please explain, oh great and open-minded individual to whom we should bow in our ignorance, what is the sense of setting of explosions after the building starts collapsing?
How do you make the building collapse without igniting the explosions first in the first place? |
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Kil
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Posted - 10/10/2006 : 17:28:02 [Permalink]
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I'm looking for independents speaking in support of the report. Why is it so hard for you to understand this?!
I do understand. That was what my post was about. Perhaps I was not clear. I'm just pointed out that except for defending the report by debunking the conspiracy nut cases, there probably isn't much to say about it from independents. And since you will not accept indirect support, there probably isn't much out there.
In any case, if you're looking for peer review from independent sources, why are you looking for it here? You have spent a great deal of time writing posts and such when you could be doing research into the question. (As others have said, apparently, you would prefer if we did your research for you.) The fact that you will not accept the peer review that you have disqualified doesn't mean a great deal to me, just so's ya know. It only means that you will not accept it.
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ergo123
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Posted - 10/10/2006 : 17:50:27 [Permalink]
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I'm looking for independents speaking in support of the report. Why is it so hard for you to understand this?!
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I do understand. That was what my post was about. Perhaps I was not clear. I'm just pointed out that except for defending the report by debunking the conspiracy nut cases, there probably isn't much to say about it from independents. And since you will not accept indirect support, there probably isn't much out there.
Well, if by indirect support you mean they counter an argument by showing what NIST says, then you are right--that's not really support for NIST. But if someone verifies NIST in an article debunking something else, that would be okay as far as I am concerned.
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In any case, if you're looking for peer review from independent sources, why are you looking for it here?
I wasn't looking for the actual review here. I just thought this might be a good place to find a link or two--I guess I figured a bunch of skeptics would have valitated the NIST Report, rather that just blindly accepting it... whih to me doesn't constitute a 'peer review.'
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ergo123
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Posted - 10/10/2006 : 18:00:25 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by tomk80
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Originally posted by ergo123
yeah, i guess you're right ; there can only be one way to set up a cd in this universe... i suppose it would be impossible to set it up any other way... here you go dave; another one for the closed-mind pile.
Please explain, oh great and open-minded individual to whom we should bow in our ignorance, what is the sense of setting of explosions after the building starts collapsing?
How do you make the building collapse without igniting the explosions first in the first place?
You don't set off all the explosives at the same time. You use some to start the top moving. Then, you use the rest to make sure the whole building collapses, and all the people who might have seen or heard something they shouldn't have, die. What you are left with is called 'shock and awe.' |
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Kil
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Posted - 10/10/2006 : 18:01:14 [Permalink]
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ergo123:I guess I figured a bunch of skeptics would have valitated the NIST Report, rather that just blindly accepting it...
It wasn't so blind. You do know that the official report has been challenged at SFN before you came along. I have looked at other theories and they just don't make sense to this skeptic… Occam's razor. |
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