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Kil, I have not made a statement of opinion as to whether the current circumstances are good or bad. In fact I am indifferent; as society changes constantly and there is little one can do to effect this (this is the dirty little secret no one talks about). Only I find it amusing to present obvious data and evidence that explains the current circumstance and it is denied that is the current circumstance. I have no concern for my families well being as they will always be well cared for; thus I do not "piss and moan and whine". I do like to present information that counters people beliefs as to the probable conclusions of actions. I do believe that more knowledge of national and world circumstances allows each individual the ability to make more informed decisions in their lives.
This is much like reliving my childhood when I read 1984. The ability of society to redefine words and phrases to confuse meaning is so utterly astounding it almost seems 1984 was a text book plan, not fiction. Within current informational text we find facts and from these facts conclusions are stated that are completely opposite of the facts cited. A most amazing time in which we live. I am rather pleased to see the culmination of 6000 years of human tribal history. The next era will be much different from what we see today or have experienced in our past. |
What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Posted - 06/17/2007 : 12:04:03 [Permalink]
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Ricky, it does follow that if a nations defense forces are fighting war for another entity they are not protecting the nation. It does follow that if a nations defense is used under authority of a foreign entity that they are not used under authority of the nation. Sovereignty is the ability to do these thing outside the influence of outside forces. The fact that these things are occurring because of outside forces proves lack of sovereignty.
Lets follow a train of thought: The Fed controls money supply. The money supply can and does dramatically effects the economy. The owners of the Fed are unknown and unaccountable. The economy is controlled by unknown and unaccountable entities.
They are not trying to take land away from the USA. A plan is being implemented that creates one trading zone in North America that removes national sovereignty. Free movement of goods and peoples with a common boarder.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Posted - 06/17/2007 : 18:49:18 [Permalink]
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Ricky, do you know what treaty is creating this NAU? Of course not, there is no treaty, or executive order, or anything. It is just being done. No oversite from any branch of government. A nation without boarders is not a nation, if you are unable to understand this, I do not know what to say.
I know, this could never happen; therefore its not happing. Is this is your argument? Or can you point to the governmental powers exercised by the sovereign United States that choose this course for the country?
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Posted - 06/17/2007 : 19:20:59 [Permalink]
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I just read all the posts in this thread from just the last day, and I'm starting to think that Jerome is part of a conspiracy to distract us away from intelligent discourse and waste all of our time.
I'm fed up. Give up. |
"Too much certainty and clarity could lead to cruel intolerance" -Karen Armstrong
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Posted - 06/17/2007 : 19:40:11 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by marfknox
I just read all the posts in this thread from just the last day, and I'm starting to think that Jerome is part of a conspiracy to distract us away from intelligent discourse and waste all of our time.
I'm fed up. Give up.
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Do not give up now, I have responded. Have you no recourse but to examine your beliefs?
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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marfknox
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Posted - 06/17/2007 : 19:50:55 [Permalink]
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| Have you no recourse but to examine your beliefs? |
Yeah, that's it, I'm afraid of examining my beliefs. 'Cause, y'know, I've been such a conformist all my life. My giving up has nothing to do with the criticisms of your style of debate, your moving of goalposts, your deception, your use of cherry-picked details when they support your claim but condemnation of details for the sake of some vague notion of the "big picture" when they are in conflict with your claim. I'm really giving up because I'm intimidated by your brilliance. Run away! |
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Posted - 06/17/2007 : 19:58:47 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by marfknox
| Have you no recourse but to examine your beliefs? |
Yeah, that's it, I'm afraid of examining my beliefs. 'Cause, y'know, I've been such a conformist all my life. My giving up has nothing to do with the criticisms of your style of debate, your moving of goalposts, your deception, your use of cherry-picked details when they support your claim but condemnation of details for the sake of some vague notion of the "big picture" when they are in conflict with your claim. I'm really giving up because I'm intimidated by your brilliance. Run away!
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That was great!
But is does sound like the voice of many in the forum projecting.
I have no battle to fight. I have no belief system held tightly to my bosom(which I talk of here). I only examine facts outside of a desire for interesting conversation. I have learned much of human nature within the context of this medium. Thanks!
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Posted - 06/17/2007 : 20:15:44 [Permalink]
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Jerome, I thoroughly enjoyed how you chose not to respond to a single thing I said. Thanks.
| Ricky, do you know what treaty is creating this NAU? Of course not, there is no treaty, or executive order, or anything. It is just being done. No oversite from any branch of government. A nation without boarders is not a nation, if you are unable to understand this, I do not know what to say. |
NAU? I'm still quite confused at what you are stating will happen. I'm not even sure if you're in the position of saying it will happen or just may happen because you refuse to articulate your statements.
At first you said:
| Rickey, there have been recently mass demonstrations by foreign nationals on American soil claiming the right of reclamation of the southwest. |
Which I interpreted as people in the south west of the US were trying to take land away from the US. Looking back on it, I was precisely correct by your wording in this interpretation. But then you said:
| They are not trying to take land away from the USA. A plan is being implemented that creates one trading zone in North America that removes national sovereignty. Free movement of goods and peoples with a common boarder. |
So they are trying to set up a trading zone in the south west US? At this point I asked if you think no country in the EU has sovereignty, since each of these countries has free movement of not only trade but people as well. You ignored this.
But back to the trading thing, the US will not allow the free movement of South and Central Americans into our country. Do you honestly think they will? This shouldn't even need to be stated.
Now you talk about NAU, instead of saying this just upfront. What is the NAU? I can't seem to find anything about them/it/whatever on google.
Jerome, the point of me going over the previous few posts was to show that I have no idea what you're talking about for no other reason than you have no ability to describe what you're talking about.
Please, fully say what you want to say instead of giving little clips of it. Use very specific words and feel free to use a dictionary if need be. Because when you say "claiming the right of reclamation" but don't mean they want to reclaim land, your posts become quite confusing. And it may be over 5 sentences long, don't worry about that, I'll still read it.
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Why continue? Because we must. Because we have the call. Because it is nobler to fight for rationality without winning than to give up in the face of continued defeats. Because whatever true progress humanity makes is through the rationality of the occasional individual and because any one individual we may win for the cause may do more for humanity than a hundred thousand who hug their superstitions to their breast.
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Posted - 06/17/2007 : 20:29:21 [Permalink]
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Ricky, a global trading system. This will provide maximum ability to move goods and labor where needed in the world. The nations of the world will need to become more conforming to each other to produce this. The idea of sovereignty is old and worn. Think of it like Star Trek; only on a global scale instead of universal.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Posted - 06/17/2007 : 20:53:30 [Permalink]
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They have been taught that they have a right to that land. The purpose is to facilitate the meshing of the nations.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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USA is a De facto communist state
