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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19570081/
Can the president "commute" a prison sentence?
I know he can grant outright pardons, but is this within presidential power?
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
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"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
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Posted - 07/02/2007 : 15:45:52 [Permalink]
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I don't know. But I do think this was part of a deal to keep Libby silent.
An added thought: Bush keeps a whip hand over Libby to ensure silence, by being able to completely pardon him at the end of his Presidential term. Clever. Must be Rove's idea.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 07/02/2007 : 16:19:26 [Permalink]
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Probably, yeah. But sentences are usually commuted to something else, like from death to life-without.
I wonder what the deal (and you know there's a deal) is.....
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 07/02/2007 : 18:47:03 [Permalink]
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Ok, it looks like he can do it.
Let me just say he is wrong to have done it though.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth |
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JEROME DA GNOME
BANNED
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Posted - 07/02/2007 : 18:54:11 [Permalink]
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If the Vice-presidents office is not part of the executive branch and the President can look through FBI files for political info, yes, at this point they can do almost anything. I think you guys will not mind when Hilary does even more outside the constitution.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 07/02/2007 : 19:36:14 [Permalink]
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Typical unthinking response from right wight idiots when confronted with the wrongdoing of their moron president:
CHANGE THE TOPIC TO CLINTON!
Eat Jerome.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 07/02/2007 : 19:40:32 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
Typical unthinking response from right wight idiots when confronted with the wrongdoing of their moron president:
CHANGE THE TOPIC TO CLINTON!
Eat Jerome.
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I did not vote for Bush. I do not like Bush. The funny thing is a hate it when anyone subverts the contract. You only hate those that are from the opposing party. Just admit that you can not see through your bias.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 07/02/2007 : 20:00:10 [Permalink]
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Under his executive powers, he can. Just like a governor can commute a prisoner's sentence from the death penalty to life without parole. (See POS George Ryan, former governor of Illinois and convicted felon awaiting imprisonment.) |
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Original_Intent
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USA
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Posted - 07/03/2007 : 05:52:46 [Permalink]
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The President ... shall have Power to Grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment. |
I wish I had my old dictionary still.........
Currently, it looks to fall under reprieve.
A good question for an old dictionary......
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
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Posted - 07/03/2007 : 10:58:49 [Permalink]
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| So, I guess Americans simply will have to rely on good old fasion "Poetic Justice". |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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 Posted - 07/03/2007 : 12:30:16 [Permalink]
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As usual, The Rude One says it best: 7/03/2007
When It Says Libby, Libby, Libby on the Sentence, Sentence, Sentence:
There's a million ways we can sniff at the foul stench of the hypocritical fart that blasted out of the White House yesterday.
There's the What-if-Clinton...? gambit: While she was pardoned at the end of his presidency, you can bet that the same Republicans praising the Scooter Libby free pass would have been burning down the Capital if Bill Clinton had commuted Susan McDougal's prison sentence, which she served.
There's the Are-you-fuckin'-kiddin'-me? sentence injustice stratagem: While Scooter Libby gets to stay free no matter what happens in his appeal for lying to a grand jury, Genarlow Wilson can't get bail while appealing his conviction for having consensual oral sex with a girl two years younger than him. Or you could talk about most of the people in prison on drug possession charges.
There's the George-Bush-is-just-an-asshole obvious statement: Where you wanna go with this? Karla Faye Tucker? Any of the capital punishment cases that Bush took less than five minutes to decide were just? The prisoners who'll never stand trial at Gitmo? Lift any goddamn rock in the Rose Garden and you'll find examples where mercy is ignored and/or injustice stands in the considered legal opinion of George W. Bush.
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And so it goes and continues, with apologies to Mr. Trout. This administration is even more corrupt that Reagan's (29 -- count 'em -- felony convictions, some pardoned by Bush Sr. to keep his ass out of jail. Like father, like son).
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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Can he do that?
