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Chippewa
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 Posted - 07/16/2007 : 10:07:51 [Permalink]
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In over 1600 JDG posts is there a single instance where an error is admitted by JDG, a fact that was offered by others is accepted, or where a JDG stance is proven to be true? I just don't see any conscious evidence in favor of critical thinking, skeptical inquiry or a spirit of open mindedness in any of the many JDG threads.
It's a trap to answer JDG posts under the guise of clearing the air for other readers. The shifting of goal posts and ignoring of any previous data on any subject just prolongs the seemingly ongoing transformation of the SFN into the SF(of)JDG Show. 
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Dave W.
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Posted - 07/16/2007 : 13:04:07 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Chippewa
In over 1600 JDG posts is there a single instance where an error is admitted by JDG... |
Yes, but they obviously happened so long ago that you've forgotten them. For example, 26 days ago, he retracted one of his comments about Piltdown Man.
As to the rest of your post, Jerome was trying to make nice last night, with this post, in which he tries to pass of his behavior as just trying to be thought-provoking. Of course, there are a zillion ways to generate thoughtful discourse (or even play Devil's Advocate) without making oneself look like a world-class jackass troll, and trolls have a penchant for offering such appeasements when they realize they're coming close to the point of being cut off from trolling, so we'll see what we'll see. I'm not taking any bets on whether we'll see any substantial change in response to my warning that I'm going to start dropping warnings. |
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moakley
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Posted - 07/16/2007 : 18:25:28 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Hey, reading the link to the seven-year-old article:The main significance of the new data lies in the high correlation between GTG concentrations and temperature variations over 420,000 years and through four glacial cycles. However, because of the difficulty in precisely dating the air and water (ice) samples, it is still unknown whether GTG concentration increases precede and cause temperature increases, or vice versa--or whether they increase synchronously. It's also unknown how much of the historical temperature changes have been due to GTGs, and how much has been due to orbital forcing, ie, increases in solar radiation, or perhaps long-term shifts in ocean circulation. So your own reference debunks your claim to "science fact," Jerome. Bravo.
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Something that Jerome failed to address in his reply to this post. |
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 07/16/2007 : 19:07:03 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Ricky
Jerome provides a graph of data, and while he fully trusts the graph itself, he doesn't trust the people who made the damn thing.
He is showing his selectivity in what he believes once again.
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JEROME DA GNOME
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 Posted - 07/16/2007 : 19:14:15 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by moakley
Originally posted by Dave W.
Hey, reading the link to the seven-year-old article:The main significance of the new data lies in the high correlation between GTG concentrations and temperature variations over 420,000 years and through four glacial cycles. However, because of the difficulty in precisely dating the air and water (ice) samples, it is still unknown whether GTG concentration increases precede and cause temperature increases, or vice versa--or whether they increase synchronously. It's also unknown how much of the historical temperature changes have been due to GTGs, and how much has been due to orbital forcing, ie, increases in solar radiation, or perhaps long-term shifts in ocean circulation. So your own reference debunks your claim to "science fact," Jerome. Bravo.
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Something that Jerome failed to address in his reply to this post.
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They are stating that the data agrees with my point only giving the caveat that they do not trust the data.
So, yes the data says the co2 increases follow the warming.
Is it normal in science to not trust the data when it disagrees with your theory?
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 07/16/2007 : 19:19:16 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
Originally posted by Ricky
Jerome provides a graph of data, and while he fully trusts the graph itself, he doesn't trust the people who made the damn thing.
He is showing his selectivity in what he believes once again.
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Odd fundie game #148.
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More truthfully, I believe the data.
Read the link, the data is apparent; the conclusions are not forth coming because of preconceived ideas as to what the data should show.
You just do not like the fact of what the data shows and therefore look for any excuse to discount it.
Please explain how the data shows any thing other than co2 increases following warming.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 07/16/2007 : 19:27:07 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Chippewa
In over 1600 JDG posts is there a single instance where an error is admitted by JDG, a fact that was offered by others is accepted, or where a JDG stance is proven to be true? I just don't see any conscious evidence in favor of critical thinking, skeptical inquiry or a spirit of open mindedness in any of the many JDG threads.
It's a trap to answer JDG posts under the guise of clearing the air for other readers. The shifting of goal posts and ignoring of any previous data on any subject just prolongs the seemingly ongoing transformation of the SFN into the SF(of)JDG Show.
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You just said I never admit error and am always incorrect.
And then claim I lack "critical thinking, skeptical inquiry or a spirit of open mindedness".
Do you not see the irony?
By the way; the first post you responded to me insulted me in an attempt to stand up for the honor of some perceived slight to the nation of France. From the beginning you have had bias and an inability to discuss a topic; only insults.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Posted - 07/16/2007 : 19:28:40 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Ricky
Jerome provides a graph of data, and while he fully trusts the graph itself, he doesn't trust the people who made the damn thing.
He is showing his selectivity in what he believes once again.
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Did you read the information, or are you relying on the cherry picked quote?
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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 Posted - 07/16/2007 : 19:32:58 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by BigPapaSmurf
Thanks Dave, I will also point out that runaway temp increase is not impossible on earth, it happened to venus it could happen here. Clearly you are not interested in actual learning so I will remove myself from the conversation.
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Correct, and that is the scenario being propagated to instill fear into the population that will cause the poor to willingly give their profit from their labor to the rich.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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furshur
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Posted - 07/17/2007 : 05:18:50 [Permalink]
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Jerome, the bottom line is that man's contribution to global warming is accepted by a consensus of climatologists.
I choose to believe a group of scientist and professionals that have been trained in the study of the climate. They have presented the mechanism for the warming, they have presented the data, they have presented the models and the data analysis.
I choose not to take any part of what you say as anything but trolling drivel. You are not trained in climatology, you have not had any training in data analysis and have not even graduated from high school.
Your thought processes and conclusions are nothing short of delusional. You have gone as far as to define conspiracy so that a high school chess team is considered a conspiracy.
You are not thought provoking. You are not interesting. You are simply an annoying clown. You will say anything to get a response from people - it is freaking pathetic. Well congradulations you got another response from me - enjoy.
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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 07/17/2007 : 05:25:20 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Originally posted by BigPapaSmurf
Thanks Dave, I will also point out that runaway temp increase is not impossible on earth, it happened to venus it could happen here. Clearly you are not interested in actual learning so I will remove myself from the conversation.
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Correct, and that is the scenario being propagated to instill fear into the population that will cause the poor to willingly give their profit from their labor to the rich.
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That is an outright lie, I have not heard this BS once from any legit source. The dangers expressed have nothing to do with runaway effect, but are still exceedingly dangerous to civilization. |
"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History
"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 07/17/2007 : 06:15:27 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by furshur
Jerome, the bottom line is that man's contribution to global warming is accepted by a consensus of climatologists. |
No, it is a consensus of a few scientists and many government agents as stated in the IPCC documents. You should read the IPCC report and not accept the propaganda.
| I choose to believe a group of scientist and professionals that have been trained in the study of the climate. They have presented the mechanism for the warming, they have presented the data, they have presented the models and the data analysis. |
No, you choose to believe a few scientist and many governmental agents. Please read the IPCC report to find the truth.
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If trolling is a presentation of reality that other choose not to see; than yes, I am trolling.
Your thought processes and conclusions are nothing short of delusional. You have gone as far as to define conspiracy so that a high school chess team is considered a conspiracy.
You are not thought provoking. You are not interesting. You are simply an annoying clown. You will say anything to get a response from people - it is freaking pathetic. Well congradulations you got another response from me - enjoy.
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The fact that you think I showed that a conspiracy could be a high school chess team means that you did not read or did not understand what I wrote. You do realize that you are counting many scientist as delusional as these ideas come from scientists.
Let me ask you: is the sun a collapsing star or is it a nuclear reactor?
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Posted - 07/17/2007 : 06:19:56 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by BigPapaSmurf
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Originally posted by BigPapaSmurf
Thanks Dave, I will also point out that runaway temp increase is not impossible on earth, it happened to venus it could happen here. Clearly you are not interested in actual learning so I will remove myself from the conversation.
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Correct, and that is the scenario being propagated to instill fear into the population that will cause the poor to willingly give their profit from their labor to the rich.
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That is an outright lie, I have not heard this BS once from any legit source. The dangers expressed have nothing to do with runaway effect, but are still exceedingly dangerous to civilization.
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Centuries is forever in a lifetime of man.
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Scientists: Earth Could Heat Up for Centuries
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 07/17/2007 : 06:57:28 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
No, it is a consensus of a few scientists and many government agents as stated in the IPCC documents. You should read the IPCC report and not accept the propaganda. |
The IPCC reports upon the consensus, they don't define it.
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