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Dave W.
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
That is an article from 2004; this is before the IPCC came to a consensus that man is a large contributor to global warming. |
That was the question at hand: did the IPCC create the consensus, or just report on it? Considering the IPCC's job description is to report on the consensus, and that the consensus already existed for over a decade, this is pretty conclusive evidence that the IPCC reported on the consensus, and didn't create it. |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 07/18/2007 : 19:55:39 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
That is an article from 2004; this is before the IPCC came to a consensus that man is a large contributor to global warming. |
That was the question at hand: did the IPCC create the consensus, or just report on it? Considering the IPCC's job description is to report on the consensus, and that the consensus already existed for over a decade, this is pretty conclusive evidence that the IPCC reported on the consensus, and didn't create it.
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Only the recent report says that man is the cause. Using stats from an old report is not valid. It is not the question at hand.
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Dave W.
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Posted - 07/18/2007 : 20:02:32 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Only the recent report says that man is the cause. |
You are in denial of reality. The IPCC reported on what scientists had been saying for years, Jerome. The IPCC report doesn't say anything new. That's not their job. |
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moakley
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Posted - 07/19/2007 : 04:43:25 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
That is an article from 2004; this is before the IPCC came to a consensus that man is a large contributor to global warming.
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I'm not too sure that we read the same article.
Created in 1988 by the World Meteorological Organization and the United Nations Environmental Programme, IPCC's purpose is to evaluate the state of climate science as a basis for informed policy action, primarily on the basis of peer-reviewed and published scientific literature (3). In its most recent assessment, IPCC states unequivocally that the consensus of scientific opinion is that Earth's climate is being affected by human activities: "Human activities ... are modifying the concentration of atmospheric constituents ... that absorb or scatter radiant energy. ... [M]ost of the observed warming over the last 50 years is likely to have been due to the increase in greenhouse gas concentrations"
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 07/19/2007 : 07:26:23 [Permalink]
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Kevin Trenberth lead author 2/18/2007
"30 lead authors" (scientist) and "300-some representatives from 113 nations" (government officials) does not a world wide scientific consensus make.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 07/19/2007 : 08:38:29 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Kevin Trenberth lead author 2/18/2007
"30 lead authors" (scientist) and "300-some representatives from 113 nations" (government officials) does not a world wide scientific consensus make. |
Yes, that's why they reported on the consensus, instead of trying to create one. Thanks for proving my point. |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 07/19/2007 : 19:00:15 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Kevin Trenberth lead author 2/18/2007
"30 lead authors" (scientist) and "300-some representatives from 113 nations" (government officials) does not a world wide scientific consensus make. |
Yes, that's why they reported on the consensus, instead of trying to create one. Thanks for proving my point.
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This group of 30 scientist and 300 governmental officials wrote the consensus; according to one of the lead authors (scientists).
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You are in disagreement with one of the authors.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 07/19/2007 : 19:42:55 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
This group of 30 scientist and 300 governmental officials wrote the consensus; according to one of the lead authors (scientists).
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You are in disagreement with one of the authors. |
Jerome, there are two consensuses at play here: 1) the consensus among scientists that the Earth is warming due to human factors, 2) the consensus on the appropriate language used in the report concerning the consensus on global warming.
Dave was speaking about 1 while you are trying a bait-and-switch to 2 with that quotation you pulled. No one is fooled. No one is misled. And the only thing you've accomplished is to convince us all once again that you are a dishonest imbecile.
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Dave W.
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Posted - 07/19/2007 : 20:53:27 [Permalink]
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| What H. said. Worldwide scientific consensus on the main cause of global climate change for over 13 years, and IPCC authors' consensus on the text reporting the 13-year-old scientific consensus in 2007. |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 07/19/2007 : 21:04:38 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
What H. said. Worldwide scientific consensus on the main cause of global climate change for over 13 years, and IPCC authors' consensus on the text reporting the 13-year-old scientific consensus in 2007.
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How many scientists participated in the consensus?
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 07/19/2007 : 21:16:09 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
How many scientists participated in the consensus? |
Which consensus, Jerome? The consensus on the science or the consensus on the appropriate language to put into a report about that science? Since you seem to shift freely between the two, you had better be crystal clear what you mean from now on.
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 07/19/2007 : 21:18:42 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by H. Humbert
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
How many scientists participated in the consensus? |
Which consensus, Jerome? The consensus on the science or the consensus on the appropriate language to put into a report about that science?
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The world wide scientific consensus of MMGW.
How many scientists sat down and formed a consensus?
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Dave W.
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Posted - 07/19/2007 : 21:24:41 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
How many scientists participated in the consensus? |
It's been explained to you how the fact that there was a consensus was determined. There is no need for a face-to-face discussion or a vote in order for there to be widespread agreement on a subject. |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 07/19/2007 : 21:39:59 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
How many scientists participated in the consensus? |
It's been explained to you how the fact that there was a consensus was determined. There is no need for a face-to-face discussion or a vote in order for there to be widespread agreement on a subject.
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This is a fallacious argument, and a non answer to the obviously loaded question from which the answer blows away any pretense of a world wide consensus stating that MMGW is factual; as such I decline to comment further.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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HalfMooner
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Posted - 07/20/2007 : 03:29:54 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
How many scientists participated in the consensus? |
It's been explained to you how the fact that there was a consensus was determined. There is no need for a face-to-face discussion or a vote in order for there to be widespread agreement on a subject.
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This is a fallacious argument, and a non answer to the obviously loaded question from which the answer blows away any pretense of a world wide consensus stating that MMGW is factual; as such I decline to comment further.
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Gave up, eh? I'm sure glad that trolling session is finished.
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