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Dave W.
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 Posted - 07/28/2007 : 17:11:26 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Gorgo
It's been explained, Dave. If that's not sufficient... |
The part that you haven't explained is that it is, in fact, a game. |
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JohnOAS
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Posted - 07/28/2007 : 21:28:47 [Permalink]
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This is amusing.
Note, I'm not attempting to be a greek paratrooper here, I'm genuinely interested in watching what goes on. I've no idea how it'll work out, but I'm bound to learn sumfin'.
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John's just this guy, you know. |
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GeeMack
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Posted - 07/29/2007 : 06:35:48 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JohnOAS...
Note, I'm not attempting to be a greek paratrooper here, I'm genuinely interested in watching what goes on. I've no idea how it'll work out, but I'm bound to learn sumfin'. |
Looks like Gorgo was just mouthing off again, calling some of us liars and making unfounded assertions about everyone's motivations. Then when he was asked to support his claim, he did a Jerome and completely pussied out.
The bright side? He did an admirable job of sticking to the topic with a few excellent examples of his troll-like behavior. And there was some entertainment in the irony of his insulting people as he whined about other people insulting people. The down side? It doesn't seem likely that he understands yet why he's so often perceived as an asshole.
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marty
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Posted - 07/29/2007 : 14:02:00 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by GeeMack
Originally posted by JohnOAS...
Note, I'm not attempting to be a greek paratrooper here, I'm genuinely interested in watching what goes on. I've no idea how it'll work out, but I'm bound to learn sumfin'. |
Looks like Gorgo was just mouthing off again, calling some of us liars and making unfounded assertions about everyone's motivations. Then when he was asked to support his claim, he did a Jerome and completely pussied out.
The bright side? He did an admirable job of sticking to the topic with a few excellent examples of his troll-like behavior. And there was some entertainment in the irony of his insulting people as he whined about other people insulting people. The down side? It doesn't seem likely that he understands yet why he's so often perceived as an asshole.
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Is Gorgo now defined as a troll? The impression I am getting from this forum is that unless you follow the prescribed line of thought you are deemed a troll and troll-like behavior is acceptable if directed towards those deemed outside the "group".
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Dave W.
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Posted - 07/29/2007 : 14:25:06 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by marty
The impression I am getting from this forum is that unless you follow the prescribed line of thought you are deemed a troll... |
You're not very perceptive.
Of course, the impression I have, from decades of being online, is that the folks who stoop to positing the existence of prescribed lines of thought are those who are least likely to do much except complain about perceived prescribed lines of thought. Even when none exist and evidence of that is offered. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 07/29/2007 : 14:35:56 [Permalink]
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Nah, Gorgo's no troll. He's no more nor less than someone who does his own thinking and is willing to stand by it in the face of opposition. He is not always correct nor is he always wrong, and very often he contributes something of value to the discussion. In short, he is little different from any of the rest of us.
Wanna see a real troll, friend marty? Stick around; we'll get another sooner or later.
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marty
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Posted - 07/29/2007 : 15:00:07 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by marty
The impression I am getting from this forum is that unless you follow the prescribed line of thought you are deemed a troll... |
You're not very perceptive.
Of course, the impression I have, from decades of being online, is that the folks who stoop to positing the existence of prescribed lines of thought are those who are least likely to do much except complain about perceived prescribed lines of thought. Even when none exist and evidence of that is offered.
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All I know is that my posts have devolved from the OP to general nonsense.
Your years of internet usage have no bearing on outsiders views of your forum. If you balk a constructive criticism that is your choice. It seems to me that you are looking from the inside and deciding what those on the outside see. You are blinded by your perception.
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HalfMooner
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Posted - 07/29/2007 : 16:38:40 [Permalink]
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Gorgo is quite passionate on certain subjects that push his special buttons. In my opinion, he sometimes gets far too angry and ad hominem at times. (Hell, I do it, too!) But he's not a troll. In general, he's a good skeptic, and a valued member of our diverse community here.
A real "troll" can be identified by being argumentative for disruption's sake. Trolls here generally dislike skeptics for various reasons. So they try to put them down with generalized (and unevidenced) accusations.
Sound familiar, marty?
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boomer
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Posted - 07/29/2007 : 16:52:34 [Permalink]
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| Hello all. I am new to this group. After reading some of these posts, I must say you guys seem to be angry and rude to each other. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 07/29/2007 : 16:59:31 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by marty
If you balk a constructive criticism that is your choice. |
Sneering at prescribed lines of thought which do not exist and other faults you find in these forums is hardly constructive. Constructive criticism involves being constructive, or suggesting methods through which the problems you see might be corrected.| It seems to me that you are looking from the inside and deciding what those on the outside see. You are blinded by your perception. |
As criticism as equally valid had I said it to you. |
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marty
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Posted - 07/29/2007 : 17:04:41 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by HalfMooner
Gorgo is quite passionate on certain subjects that push his special buttons. In my opinion, he sometimes gets far too angry and ad hominem at times. (Hell, I do it, too!) But he's not a troll. In general, he's a good skeptic, and a valued member of our diverse community here.
A real "troll" can be identified by being argumentative for disruption's sake. Trolls here generally dislike skeptics for various reasons. So they try to put them down with generalized (and unevidenced) accusations.
Sound familiar, marty?
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Your implication is symptomatic of my observation.
I was doing nothing more than relating what the perception is from a new member and you responded in a veiled insult.
I guess you prefer to only talk respectfully to those within the "group". You are turning me off very quickly. This attitude I left behind in grammar school and I have no time for cliques.
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marfknox
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 07/29/2007 : 17:11:47 [Permalink]
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I agree with both filthy's and Mooner's complimentary posts regarding Gorgo. I actually agree with Gorgo on most things, and I either agree with or learn from, and feel emotionally neutral, to most of this posts. (sorry to talk about you in third person Gorgo, let me switch over to second now.) From time to time, you start making assumptions about peoples' motivations, usually in the context of criticizing their "rudeness". Again, I will not deny that I was rude to Jerome. I was very rude to him, and I do not regret it for his sake, only for the sake of others on this forum who might have been more offended by it than I intended. Jerome and I had a history.
I made a similar mis-step about 2 years ago with Humbert, criticizing something rude he had said to someone else. It wasn't my place to make that criticism (since I am not a moderator and had no knowledge of his history with the person he was criticism), and it angered and annoyed him. That was a social fop aw on my part. I learned from that conflict and was humbled by it. Every forum with regular members is going to take on a certain tone and social dynamics. I find marty's assessment, and the even more noobie boomer's assessments to be oversimplifications based on not really getting to know this forum better first. How rude is too rude depends on the social context. Whether anger expressed is damaging or merely temporary letting off steam is also dependent on context. It takes a while to get the hang of any forum and find one's niche, and not every forum is right for everyone. |
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marty
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Posted - 07/29/2007 : 17:14:42 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by marty
If you balk a constructive criticism that is your choice. |
Sneering at prescribed lines of thought which do not exist and other faults you find in these forums is hardly constructive. Constructive criticism involves being constructive, or suggesting methods through which the problems you see might be corrected.| It seems to me that you are looking from the inside and deciding what those on the outside see. You are blinded by your perception. |
As criticism as equally valid had I said it to you.
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You seem nothing less than a foolish ogre in a small pond with the belief that he is big. You not only did not comprehend what I was saying you counter with an incoherent retort.
If you will take a moment and process my critique you will see that I am being constructive if you desire new peoples to feel welcome and become part of your forum.
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
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Posted - 07/29/2007 : 17:16:28 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by marty
Originally posted by HalfMooner
Gorgo is quite passionate on certain subjects that push his special buttons. In my opinion, he sometimes gets far too angry and ad hominem at times. (Hell, I do it, too!) But he's not a troll. In general, he's a good skeptic, and a valued member of our diverse community here.
A real "troll" can be identified by being argumentative for disruption's sake. Trolls here generally dislike skeptics for various reasons. So they try to put them down with generalized (and unevidenced) accusations.
Sound familiar, marty?
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Your implication is symptomatic of my observation.
I was doing nothing more than relating what the perception is from a new member and you responded in a veiled insult.
I guess you prefer to only talk respectfully to those within the "group". You are turning me off very quickly. This attitude I left behind in grammar school and I have no time for cliques.
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Was that too "veiled" for you? how about, "You're a troll, Marty"?
I have no concern one way or the other for turning you on or off. If you begin presenting evidence for your generalized digs at most people here, then you will have shown yourself not to be a troll. But I'm not holding my breath, as I think I have your number as a hostile troll.
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 07/29/2007 : 17:18:24 [Permalink]
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And there was some entertainment in the irony of his insulting people as he whined about other people insulting people.
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I am conflicted here, because I said I am out of this, but I also have made it a practice to say that I've always apologized or explained my actions to those here who've said that I've insulted them. I can't recall any time that I've done differently, so I don't wish to stop now. If you can find a time where I haven't done so, please let me know and I'll do it.
There are a lot of things I would say, but I guess I can't expect too many people to understand all that I say, so I will keep it short.
I've said again and again here that I'm attacking no one, in fact I've included myself in anything I've said about others. I've "accused" no one of anything. I've repeatedly said that if you're satisfied with your behavior, then go for it, you're doing fine by me. BUT, if I've said something that injured, I can only apologize, and say no harm was intended at the time as far as I can remember, and certainly none is intended now.
If something in this post threatens or insults you, please accept my apologies in advance, it was not intended.
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Troll?
