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HalfMooner
Dingaling
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 Posted - 11/03/2007 : 00:12:42 [Permalink]
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Here's a video that shows how dangerous it can be for Phelps' WBC fruitbats to demonstrate at soldiers' funerals. They were nearly lynched.
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“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 11/03/2007 : 00:56:02 [Permalink]
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Yeah. Several of my good friends and I (many vets and military brats, some of us both) have decided that if we ever attend a funeral of one of the many people we know who are deployed in the middle east, and these shitsucking bastards show up.. there will be physical violence and damn the consequences. We'll all claim temporary insanity brought on by grief and the viscious slander of whomever's funeral we are attending. If they try civil action, one of us is a civil trial lawyer who also teaches (PhD level, forget what lawyers call it... J.D.?) law at a TX law school. He'd destroy them in a courtroom.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
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"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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Posted - 11/03/2007 : 01:57:49 [Permalink]
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I suspect I wouldn't be able to keep myself rational and nonviolent in those circumstances. Not that I'd be much of an effective fighter, but they wouldn't be able to just stand there ignoring me as I whacked 'em with my cane.
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“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 11/03/2007 : 02:50:13 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Gorgo as quoted by HalfMooner
...whether or not a reasonable person would be offended by what they did. What sense does that make? |
The "Reasonable Person Standard" has a long history in law.
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Here's a piece on fighting words . I think the words have to be particularly against the person involved, not just something that someone else doesn't like.
Evidently, the complaint included insults on the web page as well, which the family felt attacked Matthew Snyder and his family personally. |
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chaloobi
SFN Regular
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Posted - 11/03/2007 : 16:42:45 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by The Rat
Originally posted by chaloobi
Why did the guy call Buzz Aldrin a liar & theif? Just curious...
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The aforementioned Bart 'Shit for brains' Sibrel is the prime arsehole in the 'Apollo landings were a hoax' crowd. He has confronted a number of the astronauts involved and called them cowards and liars. He calls them thieves because he claims that they are taking money from people fro talking about something they didn't do.
He is a brain-dead prick who is undeserving of a shred of personal or professional respect. Everything I said about Phelps applies to him also.
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This guy is for real??? He's so convinced it was a hoax that he's harrassing the astronauts for lying? WTF! |
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chaloobi
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Posted - 11/03/2007 : 16:45:44 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by HalfMooner
Here's a video that shows how dangerous it can be for Phelps' WBC fruitbats to demonstrate at soldiers' funerals. They were nearly lynched.
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Reap what you sew. They deserve worse.
EDIT: I noticed they were wearing "God Hates America" t-shirts. WTF? Has anyone here who's ever gone to church ever been taught that God is hateful? Being omnipotent, I'd think the Iraq war is a pretty silly way for God to express his hate. One would think god would burn or drown cities or something... |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 11/04/2007 : 03:59:15 [Permalink]
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I dunno. In civil suits, all bets are pretty much off. It was a civil suit that nailed OJ Simpson, rather than the criminal trial -- of course, it now looks like The Juice is going to be squoze out of circulation for a while, anyway. Like Dude, I think this has a decent chance of sticking.
And if it does, Westboro Baptist is finished, oh yes. Because then, you see, they'll get hit with a suit every time they open their foul yaps anywhere near any sort of a funeral, if it's only for the family's cat. They'll either shuthefuck up or be spending more time in court than the judge.
And that's the real award this jury gave out. And that's why the soon-to-come appeal will be fought so bitterly.
Hey Fred, you weeping chancre, how do you like it, eh? If the decision holds, you're fucking done! You can take your pathetic family back to the "warm, little pond" amongst the sewage that spawned them, and the rest of the country will scarcly bother to gloat because in the final anyalsis, you have accomplished exactly nothing.
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 11/04/2007 : 04:35:44 [Permalink]
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The government decides who can sue whom and when and under what circumstances. The government enforces actions of the civil court. That is, it helps them collect the damages. This is what I mean by a government action. You can't sue me if I say, "in my opinion, X is a bastard." The government has decided that, and in that sense, civil suits are a government action. They're not a government action in the sense that the government brings the suit, and I understand that. It is the government that decides that a suit is frivolous. It is the government that provides the venue, pays the jury, decides the grounds on which someone can be sued, etc.
As Filthy said, a lawsuit can limit speech. They are not censoring it a priori, but they are certainly affecting what can be said without fear of reprisals.
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I know the rent is in arrears
The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
But it's alright-
Jerry Garcia
Robert Hunter
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 11/04/2007 : 14:12:42 [Permalink]
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Just dropped by God Hates Fags -- seems it's has been taken down. Small loss & not much suprise, but I was curious about what, if anything, the site might have to say about it.
Also found this on it: Members of the Westboro Baptist Church in Topeka, Kan., often picket the funerals of soldiers. As family members arrive to grieve the loss of their loved one, the picketers confront them with screaming, cruel songs and signs saying things like "America Is Doomed."
Shirley Phelps-Roper and her brother Tim Phelps carry on the campaign their father Fred, founding pastor of the church, began decades ago.
"Repent, dummies! The wrath of God is upon you. It's abiding upon you," said Shirley Phelps-Roper at one protest. "America's doomed. Your destruction is upon you."
They do this, they say, because those who die are receiving punishment from God.
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I don't know if this crap is protected speech or not. I suppose that it all depends upon context. If it's street preaching, ok, but what about using it to attack someone?
There will be an appeal and Phelps-Roper expects to win it. We'll see.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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Dave W.
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Halcyon Dayz
New Member
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Posted - 11/05/2007 : 01:19:42 [Permalink]
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Why is that from the fourty-'leven thousand commandments in the Mosaic law only those that have to do with sexuality gets these self-proclaimed 'Christians' aroused.
I'm pretty sure that rules concerning "shaving the sides of their heads" or "what to do when you have a rash" are not being observed by them. |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 11/05/2007 : 02:03:49 [Permalink]
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Gorgo said:
| The government enforces actions of the civil court. That is, it helps them collect the damages. |
No, it doesn't. You have to collect anything you win in a civil judgement. The court will not lift a finger to help you do it, except to stamp the documents you bring them to do things like confiscate bank accounts, place liens on property, garnish wages, etc.
The work of collecting a civil judgement is all up to you. If you don't know how then you have to hire another lawyer(or a person skilled in collections) to do it for you.
The court just issues the order that gives you, or your lawyer, the authority.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 11/05/2007 : 03:49:25 [Permalink]
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The court just issues the order that gives you, or your lawyer, the authority.
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Right, the state helps collect the money, they don't collect it.
In the small claim court that I was involved in, they garnished wages. I had to find the people and where they worked, but they garnished. I didn't know the extent that they help in other civil suits, but they provide the framework. |
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Robert Hunter
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 11/05/2007 : 04:34:49 [Permalink]
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If you win a civil judgement, and then just go home and never do another thing, you won't actually get a dime.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 11/05/2007 : 05:25:44 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
If you win a civil judgement, and then just go home and never do another thing, you won't actually get a dime.
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Heh, they'll be hard pressed to get a flayed nickle out of Westboro, but really, the money's not all that important. That these louts can be dragged into court and come out a loser is the message.
Funny thing; a large percentage of the Phelps family are lawyers, including Fulminating Fred himself (no wonder lawyers have such a shitty rep). One might think that they planned it this way; a metaphorical bomb shelter of sorts.
Had another thought: What might be the price of winning against Westboro? Do forgive my perfectly natural paranoia, but these are vicious people. They are also a very insular cult, and that's not a reassuring combination. I wonder if some of the Snyder family might suffer an 'accident' or two, sometime down the road.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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