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Doomar
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 Posted - 02/10/2009 : 23:36:42 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
Poor Doomar, still filled with delusion I see.
What makes you think that quoting scripture will have any effect here? Is that what converted you to a mindless believer?
If I am so mindless, why are all of you attempting to change the mind of a mindless soul? LOL! Or are you simply propping each other up in fear that one may slip into faith? In fact, I am one of the least mindless believers you've probably met. Your words will have no affect on me to change my mind, but my words, which are not my original thoughts, but those of another, have a much greater chance of affecting you. I am relating the words and spirit of the gospel to you. It is not a spirit of condemnation but of hope and redemption for sinful men.
Wasn't there once a time when you were actually capable of participating in debate here? I'm sure I recall having actual discussions with you before your meltdown. a meltdown you say. LOL! is that what you call having faith in God? Here's what I call a meltdown of sanity, believing in junk science that pushes your brain into a mush as you attempt to pack all the false information and lies about evolution in your propagandized lobes. The stupidity of it all exceeds my ability to comprehend or explain. It is indeed insanity.
It is a meltdown of reason to reject the sure mercies of God: peace, forgiveness, comfort, joy unspeakable and full of glory,in favor of your sin; embracing the pleasures of sin with no rest or peace for a few years here in exchange for an eternity of torment in hell.
And honestly, did you forget how to use things like complete sentences and paragraph breaks? You are providing more evidence for my "religion makes you use poor grammar" hypothesis!
I'm working on those things.<---This is another completed sentence.
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Mark 10:27 (NKJV) 27But Jesus looked at them and said, “With men it is impossible, but not with God; for with God all things are possible.”
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pleco
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Dude
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Posted - 02/11/2009 : 02:20:04 [Permalink]
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Doomar said:
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You think its about you? Really? Amazing.
You should learn to pay attention Doomar, it costs nothing but a bit of effort on your part.
Changing your mind, and the minds of other religious fanatics, is likely never to happen. Changing your mind is not any one's primary goal here. But respond to your public proclamations we must, because the people we are trying to convince to think for themselves may read and pay attention.
So please, continue on, and we'll continue to use you for the stalking horse you are here.
I am relating the words and spirit of the gospel to you. It is not a spirit of condemnation but of hope and redemption for sinful men.
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Doesn't your imbecilic book warn you not to judge others, for fear of ending up on the receiving end of some divine judgement? For shame Doomar, preaching your gospels at us and not following your own rules, I'm pretty sure hypocrisy is a sin!
Here's what I call a meltdown of sanity, believing in junk science that pushes your brain into a mush as you attempt to pack all the false information and lies about evolution in your propagandized lobes. The stupidity of it all exceeds my ability to comprehend or explain. It is indeed insanity.
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Your act of insanity is to deny the reality of observation Doomar. We've had this talk before and your denial of evolution is nothing more than you refusing to accept a set of observed facts. Its like you refuse to believe that fire is hot, even after you've been burned to cinders. But don't let me stop you from ranting about how evolution is a lie. Answering your feeble claims against evolution provides a vehicle to communicate with those who aren't familiar with the topic.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
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"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
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moakley
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Posted - 02/11/2009 : 07:33:45 [Permalink]
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Just a few comments.
Originally posted by Doomar
Zebra, if you don't believe in God or in the Scriptures, why do you waste your time pointing out supposed flaws?
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Why would you expect a free pass to spout scripture and fables in a skeptic forum? The story of Adam and Eve has flaws claiming our lack of faith makes it difficult to understand the intent of your God seems disingenuous exposing the weaknesses of your argument.
Originally posted by Doomar
Originally posted by Zebra
Nope. We're without responsibility in this matter. If God put the whole situation together, God is responsible for the outcome, & none of this sacrificing himself to himself to absolve himself of the sins he gets in such a snit about when the creation he made does what he made it possible for them to do.
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Zebra seemingly wants to absolve himself from all responsibility in life,
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And you seem all too willing to absolve your God from all responsibility for bad and give complete credit for good. And that all cognitive humans should accept responsibility for the bad and give credit to your God for the good. Fortunately, I have not been blessed with such delusions.
Originally posted by Doomar
Originally posted by Dude
What makes you think that quoting scripture will have any effect here? Is that what converted you to a mindless believer?
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If I am so mindless, why are all of you attempting to change the mind of a mindless soul? LOL! Or are you simply propping each other up in fear that one may slip into faith?
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I consider it more an effort to get you to substantiate your argument with something more than a firm belief. But I also realize that is unrealistic since a firm belief is all you have.
Originally posted by Doomar
Originally posted by Halfmooner
if you now feel that your dependence upon a cruel, malicious (but thankfully mythical) god is such an improvement. I realize that some people truly believe that blind, clueless faith alone makes them wiser and happier.
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My God is not cruel or malicious, HM. He is kind and full of compassion and mercy and grace toward all, even sinful men. "God is love."
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God loves me, but my final destination is still Hell?
Now, take all these things that you believe about your God, compare and contrast. Isolated from each other I'm sure they seem like compelling arguments, but when many are considered together well... I guess that's why apologetics are necessary and the fallback "That I just don't understand your God". I do understand one thing that your God, any God, are what we believe them to be. |
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pleco
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Posted - 02/11/2009 : 09:52:36 [Permalink]
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Still trying to figure out how Eve was supposed to know that eating the fruit was bad before she ate the fruit...
Doesn't matter, God already knew what was going to happen. Everything was setup for failure. Too funny... |
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The Rat
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Posted - 02/11/2009 : 09:57:01 [Permalink]
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| Lake of fire, eh? How's the fishing? |
Bailey's second law; There is no relationship between the three virtues of intelligence, education, and wisdom.
You fiend! Never have I encountered such corrupt and foul-minded perversity! Have you ever considered a career in the Church? - The Bishop of Bath and Wells, Blackadder II
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The Rat
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Posted - 02/11/2009 : 10:00:19 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Chippewa
Originally posted by Doomar
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Bailey's second law; There is no relationship between the three virtues of intelligence, education, and wisdom.
You fiend! Never have I encountered such corrupt and foul-minded perversity! Have you ever considered a career in the Church? - The Bishop of Bath and Wells, Blackadder II
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Doomar
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Posted - 02/11/2009 : 16:19:21 [Permalink]
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moakley said: And you seem all too willing to absolve your God from all responsibility for bad and give complete credit for good. And that all cognitive humans should accept responsibility for the bad and give credit to your God for the good. Fortunately, I have not been blessed with such delusions.
Tell me then, Moakley, who do you blame or hold responsible?
First, do you believe their is such a thing as evil and good?
Second, do you believe there is a God?
Third, if you do believe there is a God, are you blaming God for the bad in the world?
Fourth, if you don't believe in God do you hold man accountable for bad things done and also credit man with good things done?
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Simon
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Posted - 02/11/2009 : 16:27:48 [Permalink]
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He does not believe in God (which is not the same thing as to say that he believes in its inexistance).
But he took your premise to illustrate the logical incoherence in your position: if God, as you believe, existed, he could logically be considered the worst genocidal immoral hypocritical bastard to ever exist and certainly not worthy of respect or worship.
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Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there – on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.
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Doomar
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Posted - 02/11/2009 : 16:33:02 [Permalink]
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Moakley said: God loves me, but my final destination is still Hell?
That is your destination if you refuse the way of salvation. It is perfectly consistent with love for God to make a way of escape from certain doom for people at His own cost. Love does not force people to take that way.
Warning people of the consequences for rejecting the only way God has made available is also consistent with love. That is what this thread is all about: WARNING! THERE IS A HELL AND YOU MAY BE HEADED THERE. You may not heed the warning, but you will not be able to complain to your maker, "But nobody warned me!" |
Mark 10:27 (NKJV) 27But Jesus looked at them and said, “With men it is impossible, but not with God; for with God all things are possible.”
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Doomar
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Posted - 02/11/2009 : 16:46:45 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by pleco
Still trying to figure out how Eve was supposed to know that eating the fruit was bad before she ate the fruit...
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When you're a little child your Mom tells you, "Do not touch the stove or it will hurt you!" You are too young to understand all the reasons, but because you trust your Mommy, you don't touch the stove.
As you get older you begin to understand why your Mom told you that and you have no scars. If you're a disobedience child you learn the reason way too soon and you're scarred for life. Such is what happened to Eve.
Do yo think your Mom somehow planned for you to pull a pot of hot soup down on your head? Are you crazy? That's why she warned you! She loved you and even knew someone might tell you the stove won't hurt you, but if you continued to trust your Mom and her wisdom, you simply obeyed her and didn't listen to anyone who told you otherwise.
It's amazing how darkened minds miss the simplicity of this story: Trust or mistrust. Believe or don't believe. |
Mark 10:27 (NKJV) 27But Jesus looked at them and said, “With men it is impossible, but not with God; for with God all things are possible.”
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Doomar
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Posted - 02/11/2009 : 16:56:06 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Simon
He does not believe in God (which is not the same thing as to say that he believes in its inexistance).
But he took your premise to illustrate the logical incoherence in your position: if God, as you believe, existed, he could logically be considered the worst genocidal immoral hypocritical bastard to ever exist and certainly not worthy of respect or worship.
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So you presume. Perhaps Moakley can respond for himself. We'll see.
But in response to your deluge of blasphemy, if God does exist, what has he done to you to provoke such hatred and contempt? Think carefully about your answer. We are not talking about people who say they are serving God, but God himself. |
Mark 10:27 (NKJV) 27But Jesus looked at them and said, “With men it is impossible, but not with God; for with God all things are possible.”
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 02/11/2009 : 17:29:19 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Doomar
But in response to your deluge of blasphemy, if God does exist, what has he done to you to provoke such hatred and contempt? |
He did kill everyone on the planet with a giant flood. That's gotta earn at least a demerit.
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moakley
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Posted - 02/11/2009 : 17:51:13 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Doomar
moakley said: And you seem all too willing to absolve your God from all responsibility for bad and give complete credit for good. And that all cognitive humans should accept responsibility for the bad and give credit to your God for the good. Fortunately, I have not been blessed with such delusions.
Tell me then, Moakley, who do you blame or hold responsible?
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In my life I accept responsibility for those things, bad things, that do not go according to plan and try to learn from my mistakes. Like wise when things go well due to some decision or action I have taken I am just as apt to give myself a pat on the back. I find this to be a healthy balance.
Accepting responsibility for the bad while granting credit for the good to some God focuses only the bad on me. This is not a healthy balance.
Originally posted by Doomar
First, do you believe their is such a thing as evil and good?
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Yes good and evil exist, but lets focus on good since evil can simply be defined as the opposite of good. What is good? In a broad sense I suppose things that support justice, fairness, peace and love. Things that are beneficial, valuable, and useful. Behavior that is respectful and altruistic. Is man capable of these things? Certainly. And I just don't care what the motivations of the individuals are we should strive toward good things.
Originally posted by Doomar
Second, do you believe there is a God?
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I have seen no evidence to support the existence of your God or any God.
Originally posted by Doomar
Third, if you do believe there is a God, are you blaming God for the bad in the world?
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See answers to First, Second, and Fourth.
Originally posted by Doomar
Fourth, if you don't believe in God do you hold man accountable for bad things done and also credit man with good things done?
One cannot have things both ways. What do you believe?
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If regard to just the Fourth I am not sure what you mean by "have it both ways", but Yes regardless of motivation man is responsible for the good and the bad things done in this world.
As far as believe is concerned I try not to just believe things regardless of how appealling an idea may be to a personal bias. A wrong belief about something is worse than knowing nothing. It takes a lot of effort to correct a wrong belief and the longer that belief has been held the more difficult it becomes. Difficult to the point where it becomes next to impossible to even recognize it as a wrong belief. |
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moakley
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Posted - 02/11/2009 : 18:16:01 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Doomar
Moakley said: God loves me, but my final destination is still Hell?
That is your destination if you refuse the way of salvation. It is perfectly consistent with love for God to make a way of escape from certain doom for people at His own cost. Love does not force people to take that way.
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So your God must be very conflicted. He loves us, but is willing to send us to eternal torment, certain doom. Poor God, if only he had left better evidence of his existence.
Originally posted by Doomar
Warning people of the consequences for rejecting the only way God has made available is also consistent with love. That is what this thread is all about: WARNING! THERE IS A HELL AND YOU MAY BE HEADED THERE. You may not heed the warning, but you will not be able to complain to your maker, "But nobody warned me!"
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When all else fails fall back on the FEAR. Frankly, Doomar, at the end of all things, for you and I, we will both be equally dead. At the end of all things for earth the Sun will eventually fry it to a crisp and then leave it isolated and cold. At the end of all things for the universe the energy will eventually be used up becoming very dark and very cold. Anyway Doomar where is this hell that you are so frightened of. |
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Hell, your final destination?
