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BigPapaSmurf
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 Posted - 02/06/2008 : 07:10:37
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Now that they are in a dead heat, I get the feeling that Clinton will desperatly try to get the Florida and Michigan delegates reinstated. It is sad that they were removed, however it would be a greater injustice to reinstate them as Obama was not on the Michigan ticket...not sure about Florida...
Im guessing that Clinton will take Virginia and probably Texas with Wisconson and Washington to Obama, Ohio will again be the key state to focus all election rigging efforts...
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
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Posted - 02/06/2008 : 09:15:54 [Permalink]
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You know, those two beat out a whole bunch of white guys to be the leading contenders for the democratic nomination. I am rather ambivalent about who will prevail and get the parties nomination. But either way, what we are seeing has never happened before. What is more, the are both viable and one of them is likely to be the next president.
I know that everyone knows this. But hey, it's worth flashing on now and again... |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 02/06/2008 : 14:24:23 [Permalink]
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All the names were on the FL ballots.
The problem is that Obama can clearly demonstrate that he gets more votes in a state where he has an opportunity to campaign. The agreement with the DNC was no one would campaign in FL (dems). Also, there are probably 100k people who didn't bother to vote because they know the dem votes weren't going to be counted. The results would have been far far different had those two circumstances been different, so the real election results are not known.
It would be massively unfair for the FL and Michigan delegates to be assigned by the "election" results.
Honestly, if Hillary pushes for this, and she gets her way and ends up the dem nominee because of it... I will not vote for her. In fact, I'd seriously consider voting for McCain in those circumstances, just to vote against Hillary for being no fucking better than the republicans. I'm soooo fucking tired of jacked elections.
I know a lot of people will feel the same way, especially independents who were considering a dem vote this time around.
If she does pull some crap like this, I will absolutely 100% not vote for her in the general, and (as stated) there is a strong (90ish%) chance I'll vote against her.
Even if it means voting for John "100 years in Iraq" Mac.
Thats how strongly I feel about coercion and subversion of the electoral process.
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 02/06/2008 : 17:09:10 [Permalink]
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This is a part of the process that I have very little knowledge about, and yet I take pride in that fact that I know more than the majority of Swedes about American governmental system.
I understand that "primaries" are the process where the two parties select their candidates, but why shouldn't all states be counted? |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 02/06/2008 : 22:23:19 [Permalink]
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Each state organizes their own elections. In the primaries those elections have to follow the rules set out by the individual political parties on a national level.
There was a big push among some states to have primary elections sooner this year. This happened because the early states have more of an impact nationally. For example, Guliani dropped out after FL. That means that 80ish % of the country doesn't even get to vote for him if they wanted too. The candidates also spend more time and money in the early states because the impression is that it sets the tone for later primary elections, and it true to large extent. Early states gov's who endorse a candidate can expect payback if they win the general election too.
What happened this year is that the FL and Michigan state parties (democrats) pushed the date of the primary up in violation of the national party's rules. So the national party decided to not count their votes. In Michigan the only democrat's name on the ballot was Hillary.
So those states primary votes need to remain invalid (even though I live here in FL) or the whole election will be a fraud.
Any candidate that pulls some shit to get those votes will not get my vote unless Huckabee ends up being the GOP nominee.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 02/07/2008 : 03:12:07 [Permalink]
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Dude, I really don't think Hillary's that stupid. I'm sure she knows exactly what the results of pulling such a stunt would be: the loss of enough votes that McCain would probably win the election.
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 02/07/2008 : 14:08:57 [Permalink]
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There is talk today of holding late caucuses in the two states, after all the other primaries, to assign the delegates. I find that an acceptable solution. Lets see if it pans out.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth |
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BigPapaSmurf
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 02/11/2008 : 07:41:34 [Permalink]
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Well Obama with the sweep of the last six votes puts him in a dead heat with an impending lead should he sweep the three votes tomorrow as expected. McCain took a big hit this weekend when most of Romneys votes went to Huck, also as expected.
Somehow I just dont see MI/Fl doing caucuses, up here in Michigan, caucuses are seen as an abhorrant method. |
"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History
"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini |
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Obama/Clinton battle royale
