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broven
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 Posted - 04/23/2002 : 12:54:13 [Permalink]
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Don't be so cock-sure of yourself there.
Heh, heh. Good one, for a girl. . .(Sorry, I couldn't resist.)
I was just kidding, and I agree whole-heartedly with what you said.
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Snake
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Posted - 04/23/2002 : 16:06:45 [Permalink]
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Seems to me more women than men are really religious,
...And in some other thread the concensus was that religious folks are less intelligent than Athiests. I guess that proves men are more intelligent than women. Aha! I knew it. . .
What you know is correct, from my observations.
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Snake
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Posted - 04/23/2002 : 16:28:12 [Permalink]
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the thing I hated hearing most with me in school, and I railed against with my daughter, that's not a field for a woman or women just aren't as good as men in this or that subject.
How do you explain that women are not as good as men? They seem to get more emotional and less logical in many situations. So whatever knowledge they might have, that may be as good as a man at the time, isn't accessible in their brains.
Some women will get angry at that (ha ha which will prove the point) but it's what I see more often then not, hysterical women but men who try to work out solutions. The Thatchers of the world are a small exception and she's British anyway so that doesn't count.
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Physiofly
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Posted - 04/23/2002 : 16:48:53 [Permalink]
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...but men who try to work out solutions.
So that explains why there have been so few wars in the past 5000 years. 
Be that as it may, there are differences in men's and women's brains. I was just reading a short article today in BioMetNet (www.bmn.com) about a researcher who has discovered one of the mechanisms men's and women's brains differentiate during development. One area of the brain, the hypothalamus, has obvious sexual differences. The area is associated with sexual behavior, but they are not sure exactly what that particular area does(although I have a pretty good idea, right guys? wink, wink, nudge, nudge). Thus endeth the science lesson for today...
"Men are so simple and so much inclined to obey immediate needs that a
deceiver will never lack victims for his deceptions." - Niccolo Machiavelli
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Donnie B.
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Posted - 04/23/2002 : 17:54:41 [Permalink]
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IIRC, girls actually outperform boys in math in the early grades. The boys only catch up at/after puberty. This is anecdotal evidence for a physiological link -- there are lots of sex-related changes in the brain and body at sexual maturity.
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Snake
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Posted - 04/23/2002 : 19:29:42 [Permalink]
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I was just reading a short article today in BioMetNet (www.bmn.com) about a researcher who has discovered one of the mechanisms men's and women's brains differentiate during development. One area of the brain, the hypothalamus, has obvious sexual differences
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IIRC, girls actually outperform boys in math in the early grades. The boys only catch up at/after puberty. This is anecdotal evidence for a physiological link -- there are lots of sex-related changes in the brain and body at sexual maturity.
I'm going to be quite serious here for a minute:
If those morons would spend a little more time studying the individual rather than what sex/gender someone is in general, perhaps more advancemant in finding out what/why humans do and think would be made. If that's the idea of learning about that stuff.
What the hell do they or anyone want to know and why, about how a guy or girl acts? It's all nonsence and they don't know what they are doing. I've never met a psychologist yet who gets everything right or is even perceptive enough to an individuals responses that they could understand or help.
You are all fools. Don't you GET IT? It's all meaningless. MEANINGLESS.
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Physiofly
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Posted - 04/23/2002 : 21:35:52 [Permalink]
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If those morons would spend a little more time studying the individual rather than what sex/gender someone is in general, perhaps more advancemant in finding out what/why humans do and think would be made. If that's the idea of learning about that stuff.
What the hell do they or anyone want to know and why, about how a guy or girl acts? It's all nonsence and they don't know what they are doing. I've never met a psychologist yet who gets everything right or is even perceptive enough to an individuals responses that they could understand or help.
You are all fools. Don't you GET IT? It's all meaningless. MEANINGLESS.
No need to resort to ad hominem comments to make your point.
First, science requires more than an n of 1. By looking at many people you enhance the data gathered and weed out any anomalous data. Sorry you don't agree with that, but it's the scientific method. It's not an attempt to downgrade or deny the individual. Don't confuse attempts by scientists to understand their brain and gender differences with psychologists who work with individuals. Psychologists must deal with individual differences, which is why their job is so difficult and not always successful. Second, it's not meaningless because by studying the differences between men and women you can better understand how and why certain neurological diseases (e.g., schizophrenia) affect men more than women, and vice versa.
"Men are so simple and so much inclined to obey immediate needs that a
deceiver will never lack victims for his deceptions." - Niccolo Machiavelli
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Snake
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Posted - 04/24/2002 : 03:12:00 [Permalink]
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No need to resort to ad hominem comments to make your point.
Since I don't know what that is, I guess I'll just keep saying what I think.
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First, science requires more than an n of 1. By looking at many people you enhance the data gathered and weed out any anomalous data. Sorry you don't agree with that, but it's the scientific method. It's not an attempt to downgrade or deny the individual. Don't confuse attempts by scientists to understand their brain and gender differences with psychologists who work with individuals. Psychologists must deal with individual differences, which is why their job is so difficult and not always successful. Second, it's not meaningless because by studying the differences between men and women you can better understand how and why certain neurological diseases (e.g., schizophrenia) affect men more than women, and vice versa.
I can see by your reply you don't understand what I was saying. However I do see one point you made as being acceptable, the example of learning about certain diseases, which would be the same as studying different races because of diseases more common in one than another. Humans and other animals are not all the same even though they are alike.
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So that explains why there have been so few wars in the past 5000 years.
I wasn't going to reply to this rediculas remark but then I thought about it. It shows that you misunderstood again.
Women usually are the ones who whine and complain and 'act hysterical', men take action, if that means war then so be it. That's one way of 'working things out'. If negotiations don't work, then go for, I say. I tend to hit 1st and ask questions later, but at least I don't stand around and franticly yell and screem accomplishing nothing.
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jmcginn
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Posted - 05/02/2002 : 08:17:09 [Permalink]
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Being an agnostic (really an atheist, but I use the agno term with her since its easier to handle) and married to a fundamentalists who toggles between baptists (which was how she was raised) and pentacostal (because she loves being immersed in the holy spirit and rolling on the floor) I can sympathize with others on this issue.
We went through a spell where arguments occurred every day, but that's over (thank no gods :)). Now we have somewhat tense but peaceful "philosophical" discussions where I explain ideas such as "there are no absolute morals" or "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence".
Our biggest conflict centers around evolution and creation. I being an educated biologists (although not a working one) and in the middle of going back to school to change careers from software engineer to physical anthropologists/primatologists and her being a literal creationists at some points. She actually has toned this down some however despite still getting junk mail from such groups as Answers in Genesis, etc. and reading such authors as P. Johnson. She has talked allot with people on BeliefNet boards who were both Christians and accepted the theory of evolution and that seems to have remodeled her views some.
We also have 2 children who are being raised as skeptic christian evolutionists ;) I just hope that doesn't fry their brains.
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Tokyodreamer
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Posted - 05/02/2002 : 12:29:19 [Permalink]
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pentacostal (because she loves being immersed in the holy spirit and rolling on the floor)
Are they the ones who don't cut their hair and wear denim skirts exclusively? (the women, at least!)
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Slater
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Posted - 05/02/2002 : 12:47:55 [Permalink]
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pentacostal (because she loves being immersed in the holy spirit and rolling on the floor)
Are they the ones who don't cut their hair and wear denim skirts exclusively? (the women, at least!)
I thought they were the ones with the bikinis and the mud.
Physical anthropologists/primatologist huh? You might be interested in a project we're in the middle of building on Maui up near Napili.
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jmcginn
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Posted - 05/07/2002 : 08:21:13 [Permalink]
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pentacostal (because she loves being immersed in the holy spirit and rolling on the floor)
Are they the ones who don't cut their hair and wear denim skirts exclusively? (the women, at least!)
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No they pretty much wear whatever they please. The one I went too was linked to a big one in Columbus Ohio (Harvest something) and every sermon always ended with at least a 15 min sermon on sowing their seeds (giving money) so they can get their just reward now. In other words you give x amount of dollars and you will get 7x back or something like that. The preacher would even upon occasion break into tongues :).
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jmcginn
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Posted - 05/07/2002 : 08:31:13 [Permalink]
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pentacostal (because she loves being immersed in the holy spirit and rolling on the floor)
Are they the ones who don't cut their hair and wear denim skirts exclusively? (the women, at least!)
I thought they were the ones with the bikinis and the mud.
Physical anthropologists/primatologist huh? You might be interested in a project we're in the middle of building on Maui up near Napili.
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That does sound very interesting. I have kind of a strange background and am not a practicing scientists by any means. I basically all but finished an under graduate biology degree (chemistry minor) before dropping out (read selling out for the money) to become a software guru.
I am now however wanting to really get back into a field of science of some sort and make a career out of it. I am starting back to school (Colorado U) this summer as an anthropology major.
I started out with a very strong interest in human evolution, but after reading Klein's The Human Career and Fleagle's Primate Adaptation & Evolution I have found the evolutionary history of the Platyrrhines to be more to my liking.
Of course having a wife and 2 kids and a full time job kind of slows things down :(.
I would like to hear about the project of course :>
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jmcginn
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Posted - 05/07/2002 : 08:34:27 [Permalink]
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pentacostal (because she loves being immersed in the holy spirit and rolling on the floor)
Are they the ones who don't cut their hair and wear denim skirts exclusively? (the women, at least!)
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That reminds me however, I did know of a girl in college who was from such a cult. She at the time had cut her hair, was wearing jeans, and was dating a Mormon (and in the process of converting). Her parents basically disowned her, but kept sending her pamphlets on how Mormonism was a cult LOL
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Slater
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Posted - 05/07/2002 : 09:37:19 [Permalink]
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I have found the evolutionary history of the Platyrrhines to be more to my liking.
Sorry no monkeys on Maui.
There are two related projects in the works. In west Maui, a little inland from Napili a facility is under construction that will house gorillas and chimps who can use sign language. But in central Maui near Waikapu seventy five acres of the West Maui Forest Reserve are being dedicated to a gorilla preserve. An attempt will be made to rescue gorillas from Africa where they face extinction from on going wars and from the "bush meat" trade and establish a "wild" colony on Maui where they can live in peace.
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