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Matthew's account is dated at about 50 a.d. ...

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response to slater:Non-Christian sources to the historical existence of Jesus.
1)Roman Historian-Cornelius Tacitus(55-120 a.d.) Work titled " Annals" 15.44;"Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had it's origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilate...."

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Thanks for responding to my question. Please:
cite the source of Aristotle's Maxim,
cite references confirming consensus regarding your "two fundamental premises of historical inquiry", and
confirm that you maintain John 19:25-37 to be inerrant.
And, while you're at it, tell me if the reports of this unnamed man constitutes 1st-hand testimony, 2nd-hand testimony, nth-hand testimony, or pure fabrication, and how do you know?

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Originally posted by darwin alogos

John Warwick Montgomery is Professor of Apologetics and Vice-President for Academic Affairs, UK and Europe, Trinity College and Theological Seminary (Indiana); Senior Counsel, European Centre for Law and Justice; and Emeritus Professor of Law and Humanities at the University of Luton (England).

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• Professor Anthony F. Aveni (Russell B.Colgate Professor of Astronomy and Anthropology, Colgate University, New York, author of Conversing with the Planets)


• Dr Guiseppe Bezza


• Professor J.Bruce Brackenbridge (Dept. of History of Science, Lawrence University)


• Dr David Brown (Wolfson College, Oxford)


• Dr Charles Burnett (Warburg Institute, London, co-trans. Abu Ma'shar, The Abbreviation of the Introduction to Astrology)


• Dr Hilary M.Carey (History Department, University of Newcastle, author Courting Disaster, Astrology at the English Court in the Later Middle Ages)


• Dr John Carlson (The Centre for Archaeoastronomy, Washington); Professor Robert Ellwood (Bashford Professor of Oriental Studies, University of South California)


• Dr Germana Ernst, (Department of Philosophy, University of Florence)


• Dr Ann Geneva (author of Astrology and the Seventeenth Century Mind)


• Dr Jacques Halbronn (author of Le Vie Astrologie il y a Cent Ans, La texte prophetique en France (1483-1883)


• Robert Hand (co-founder and chief editor, Project Hindsight, translator Antonius de Montulmo, Johannes Schoener, Guido Bonatti)


• Professor Norris Hetherington (Office for the History of Science and Technology, University of California, Berkeley)


• Professor Michael Hunter (Birkbeck College, London)


• Professor Ronald Hutton (Dept of Historical Studies, Bristol University, author of The Pagan Religions of the British Isles and The Stations of the Sun: A History of the Ritual Year in Britain)


• Dr Peter Kingsley


• Annabella Kitson, MA (editor Clio and Urania Confer: Astrology and History)


• Dr Nick Kollerstrom (author ‘The Star Temples of Harran', ‘Kepler's Belief in Astrology')


• Dr Edwin C.Krupp (Director, Griffith Observatory, Los Angeles, author, In Search of Ancient Astronomies, Echoes of Ancient Skies and Skywatchers, Shamans and Kings)


• Dr J.Lee Lehman (founder Classical Studies in Astrology, translator Papus, Astrology for Initiates)


• Professor Kenneth Negus (Professor of German, Princeton University, translator Kepler)


• Professor John North, (Professor of the Exact Sciences and Dean of the Philosophy Faculty, Groningen, author Horoscopes and History, The Fontana History of Astronomy and Cosmology and The Measure of the Universe: A History of Modern Cosmology)


• Professor P.M.Rattansi, (Professor Emeritus of the History and Philosophy of Science, University College, London)


• Professor Francesca Rochberg (Department of History, University of California, translator of the Enuma Anu Enlil)


• Professor James Santucci, (Dept. of Religious Studies, California State University, editor Theosophical History)


• Robert Schmidt (co-founder Project Hindsight, translator Ptolemy, Vettius Valens, Haphaistio of Thebes, Antiochus of Athens, Paulus Alexandrinus)


• Professor Richard Tarnas (author of The Passion of the Western Mind, professor of Philosophy and Psychology at the California Institute of Integral Studies, director of the graduate programme in Philosophy, Cosmology and Consciousness)


• Dr. David Ulansey (California Institute of Integral Studies, author of The Origins of the Mithraic Mysteries)


• Robin Waterfield (translator of Xenophon, Plutarch and Plato for both Oxford University Press and Cambridge University Press)


• Dr Charles Webster (All Soul's College, author, From Paracelsus to Newton: Magic and the Making of Modern Science)


• Dr Graziella Federici Vescovini (Department of Philosophy, University of Florence)


• Dr Angela Voss


• Dr Paula Zambelli (Department of Philosophy, University of Florence)


• Robert Zoller (co-founder Project Hindsight, translator Guido Bonnati, Al-Kindi)

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BY THE WAY SLATE ITS BEEN
OVER A MOUNTH SINCED I ASKED YOU FOR JUST ONE CLASSICAL OR HISTORIC SCHOLAR WHO SHARES YOUR
WACKY VIEWS????????????

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The Astrological Association's "Culture and Cosmos" Editorial Board:

Professor Anthony F. Aveni (Russell B.Colgate Professor of Astronomy and Anthropology, Colgate University, New York, author of Conversing with the
Planets)
Dr Guiseppe Bezza
Professor J.Bruce Brackenbridge (Dept. of History of Science, Lawrence University)
Dr David Brown (Wolfson College, Oxford)
Dr Charles Burnett (Warburg Institute, London, co-trans. Abu Ma'shar, The Abbreviation of the Introduction to Astrology)
Dr Hilary M.Carey (History Department, University of Newcastle, author Courting Disaster, Astrology at the English Court in the Later Middle Ages)
Dr John Carlson (The Centre for Archaeoastronomy, Washington); Professor Robert Ellwood (Bashford Professor of Oriental Studies, University of South
California)ect... o, DA, given such an effusive accumulation of Doctors and Professors, do you not now find yourself compelled to embrace astrology?
ReasonableDoubt
Posted - 12/05/2002 : 14:37:08

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Originally posted by darwin alogos

A historical reference doesn' have to be inerrantto be reliable.

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