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gezzam
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 Posted - 02/07/2003 : 09:38:03
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Does anyone think that this is being done to warn Americans or scare them into believing that this war may be required?
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/02/07/threat.level/index.html
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@tomic
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Posted - 02/07/2003 : 10:29:37 [Permalink]
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Considering the way the Bush administration twists uses facts in such a way as to make them say what they want I don't believe anything this administration says anymore.
For example: They keep trying to tie al Qaeda to Iraq and keep bringing up a cell working in northern Iraq. Whoops, that's the Kurdish controlled area that Saddam has no control over. The CIA knows that, the FBI knows that and I am willing to bet that Bush knows that as well but it works better to leave put that one crucial detail.
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walt fristoe
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Posted - 02/07/2003 : 10:43:47 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by gezzam
Does anyone think that this is being done to warn Americans or scare them into believing that this war may be required?
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/02/07/threat.level/index.html
I'm sure the Bush administration would like nothing more than for a terrorist attack to occur. It would accomplish their aims quite nicely; they could pretty much have their way with the world. I wouldn't put it past them to manufacture a tragedy for the sake of furthering their nefarious agenda. |
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gezzam
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Posted - 02/07/2003 : 10:45:03 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by @tomic
Considering the way the Bush administration twists uses facts in such a way as to make them say what they want I don't believe anything this administration says anymore.
Did anyone see the news that part of the intelligence dossier provided by the U.K. (and praised by Colin Powell) was partially cut and pasted (gramatical errors included) from a students thesis freely available on the internet!!!!!
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0207-09.htm
Now that's intelligence for you....
@tomic, I don't understand how these guys can think we can continue to swallow all this. Have they not heard the story of the boy who cried wolf. People are so sceptical of what they hear at the moment we just don't know what is true or what is a crock of shit. |
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Tim
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Posted - 02/08/2003 : 08:38:04 [Permalink]
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Does anyone think that this is being done to warn Americans or scare them into believing that this war may be required?
Gez, Emporor Bush II learned from Pops that war sends your popularity polls through the roof. We Americans seem to love a good high tech war. It's like watching The Terminator in real life!
Unfortunately, Bush II also learned from Pops that once the war is over, so is your career, unless you can actually claim some real progress on the homefront. |
"We got an issue in America. Too many good docs are gettin' out of business. Too many OB/GYNs aren't able to practice their -- their love with women all across this country." Dubya in Poplar Bluff, Missouri, 9/6/2004
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PhDreamer
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Posted - 02/09/2003 : 01:51:10 [Permalink]
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This terrorist threat level thing is driving me slightly nuts. We have yet to see anything terrorist-related accompanying a threat-level increase. It's like the Homeland Security Department who cried wolf.
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Tim
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Posted - 02/09/2003 : 04:57:32 [Permalink]
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This terrorist threat level thing is driving me slightly nuts. We have yet to see anything terrorist-related accompanying a threat-level increase.
Man, maybe its just the admin's way of covering their ass. Now, once a real attack happens, Bush, Ashcroft and their lap dog Ridge can say, "We told you so."
Wouldn't that be impressive?
Then, again, perhaps there is a very real threat. How would we ever know the truth?
Anyhow, will these rubes ever figure out that the best way to stop terrorism is to address the causes of that terrorism, rather than creating more causes? |
"We got an issue in America. Too many good docs are gettin' out of business. Too many OB/GYNs aren't able to practice their -- their love with women all across this country." Dubya in Poplar Bluff, Missouri, 9/6/2004
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gezzam
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Posted - 02/10/2003 : 18:06:24 [Permalink]
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Quotes by Mark Latham, Labor front bencher in Australia....you have to love them....
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Federal Labor frontbencher Mark Latham said today he would continue to describe Prime Minister John Howard as an arse-licker if he failed to protect Australia's interests." and you know whose arse he is licking....
Bush was described as "the most incompetent and dangerous president in living memory", as well as "flaky". It was implied that the Bush Administration was not proposing a war against terrorism but, rather, a military campaign against "the women and children of nation states". And, infamously, the Howard Government was depicted as a "conga line of suckholes" ingratiating themselves with "George W".
So after saying this we had the American anbassador sticking his nose in our politics
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On Friday The Australian carried a page one story claiming the US had formally complained to Simon Crean's office about what was termed "Labor's anti-Americanism". This was an overstatement, but based on fact.
Later in the morning Tom Schieffer appeared on Channel Seven. He declared that "some of the rhetoric that has come out of this debate over the last week is very personal, very emotional and hopefully will be just something that, when people get a chance to reflect on it, (they) will realise it is not very helpful to the relationship". True. But it is not the proper role of the diplomat to comment publicly on national politics.
So the American agenda is, if you are with us you are fantastic friends of ours, however if you are against us (see France and Germany) you are a pack of small minded arseholes.....
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Snake
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Posted - 02/11/2003 : 02:01:47 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by gezzam
Does anyone think that this is being done to warn Americans or scare them into believing that this war may be required?
Absolutely, that's what I thought. Funny you should mention that now, I was in my congressmans office this morning to complain about the PO and a few other problems. As I was leaving the house, heard on the radio that Ashcroft wanted us all the be on the look out for terroists. Geesses Krist!
So I remarked to the secratary of Congress Berman as I was leaving, 'As much as I'd like to be James Bond, I'm not in reality a spy. It isn't likely I'd be overhearing someone ploting to bomb an airport. That's what WE pay the FBI, CIA and who ever else to do, take care of and protect us. Why should I be expected to do their job?'
IMO it's total nonsense for anyone in the government to scare the public and ask them to look under their beds for terrorists. It's even dangerous. Neighbors turning in neighbors! People finding a left over lunch in a paper bag and calling for the police to surround it with 50 car and guns all over the place. Does that mean because we are asked to do the governments job that we are not to depend on it to protect us? Just asking! |
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Tim
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Posted - 02/11/2003 : 05:13:00 [Permalink]
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So the American agenda is, if you are with us you are fantastic friends of ours, however if you are against us (see France and Germany) you are a pack of small minded arseholes.....
And, all this time I thought that was apparent. You can add to that the attitude that if you are a US citizen and you don't support the war with Saddam then you must be a traitor and a terrorist. At least, it seems that way.
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That's what WE pay the FBI, CIA and who ever else to do, take care of and protect us. Why should I be expected to do their job?'
Wellllll.....Probably because they they can't do it. Here's the latest; Colin Powell's presentation to the UN was partially based on the paper of a graduate student from California.
http://houston.indymedia.org/news/2003/02/7281.php
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http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/020803A.htm
I understand that Powell got it from the Brits, but this seems to say a lot about the Intelligence, (or lack of), in the US and Brittain. A college student thousands of miles from Iraq knows more about what's going on than our own governments. |
"We got an issue in America. Too many good docs are gettin' out of business. Too many OB/GYNs aren't able to practice their -- their love with women all across this country." Dubya in Poplar Bluff, Missouri, 9/6/2004
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gezzam
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Posted - 02/12/2003 : 20:22:25 [Permalink]
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From http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/02/12/1044927663494.html
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Butt out of Australian politics, Crean tells US ambassador
February 13 2003
By Louise Dodson
Chief Political Correspondent
Federal Opposition Leader Simon Crean yesterday called for the US ambassador to Australia to be counselled by his government as the diplomatic row over Labor's anti-war stance worsened.
Mr Crean rejected criticism by ambassador Tom Schieffer that he had indulged in anti-American behaviour, had broken long-standing bipartisan support for the American alliance and had failed to develop meaningful relationships with members of the Bush Administration.
Mr Crean was backed by Greens leader Bob Brown, who accused Mr Schieffer of interfering in Australian politics and called for an apology.
Now it seems that the Bush Administration is sticking their unwanted noses into Australia's policies and our right to argue an anti war stance in parliament.
Memo to all the American politicians that want to butt into our country and tell us what to think. Although our Prime Minister may be sucking up Dubya's arse, we are not the 51st state of America. 76 percent of our country is opposed to a war against Iraq and we are really starting to dislike the way America chides those who dare not agree with her. Your actions are making your country look like one that will stop at nothing to get its way and to be honest, it's quite frightening.
How dare you tell us how to run our country...
Fuck Off
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Tim
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Posted - 02/13/2003 : 02:46:31 [Permalink]
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we are really starting to dislike the way America chides those who dare not agree with her. Your actions are making your country look like one that will stop at nothing to get its way and to be honest, it's quite frightening.
Gez, I'd love to argue with you and take some offense because of nationalistic sensiblities, but I can't, dammit! You're right! |
"We got an issue in America. Too many good docs are gettin' out of business. Too many OB/GYNs aren't able to practice their -- their love with women all across this country." Dubya in Poplar Bluff, Missouri, 9/6/2004
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gezzam
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Posted - 02/13/2003 : 05:38:12 [Permalink]
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| I want to make it perfectly clear that I have nothing against the American people, it is the current administrations foreign policy that scares the hell outta me. |
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riptor
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Posted - 02/13/2003 : 06:23:14 [Permalink]
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This is not really what I wanted to wake up with this morning:
And this reminds me of the faked bin-Laden-tapes, british secret service just "found" yesterday. |
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gezzam
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Posted - 02/13/2003 : 06:41:24 [Permalink]
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Even worse, from here you can buy "The Leadership Genius of George W. Bush:
10 Commonsense Lessons from the Commander in Chief"
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