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COMING FROM THE # 1 POSTER. NICE! SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT HE NEEDS TO DO RESEARCH BECAUSE MAN ON MAN OR WOMEN ON WOMEN CAN CREATE BABIES?
FOR THOSE WHO SAY THE CANT HELP WHO THEY FALL IN LOVE WITH IS IT OK TO LOVE YOUR FATHER, MOTHER, SISTER, OR BROTHER THAT WAY? I MEAN IF YOU CAN CONTROL WHO YOU FALL IN LOVE WITH THEN HAVING SEX WITH IMMEDIATE FAMILY SHOULD BE JUST FINE RIGHT?
Who says being in love is all about creating babies. You seem to be making the misconception that sex and love are the same thing. I love my Mum and Dad, it does not mean I want to have sex with them. Why can't two people of the same sex be in love? Good on 'em I reckon, it doesn't blow wind up my skirt to horizontal folk dance with another fella, but to those that it does, so be it. The more poofs out there mean that there are more ladies for the straight guys. Look on it as a blessing. What consenting adults do in their bedroom is their choice and if you are a man and want to take a shot in the mouth, or are a woman and you feel like eating some carpet, then I say "Go for it."
It's better than living a lie and sneaking around having a loveless marriage because society tells you that you must be straight.
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Another thing, Gay people stop saying people who hate you are 'homophobic', HATE and FEAR are two very different things. The only reason you say that is cause you can't come up with something better to say.
So, you're actually saying that you do not fear, but HATE homosexual people. How very un-christian of you. I hope you burn in hell for it!
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FOR THOSE WHO SAY THE CANT HELP WHO THEY FALL IN LOVE WITH IS IT OK TO LOVE YOUR FATHER, MOTHER, SISTER, OR BROTHER THAT WAY? I MEAN IF YOU CAN CONTROL WHO YOU FALL IN LOVE WITH THEN HAVING SEX WITH IMMEDIATE FAMILY SHOULD BE JUST FINE RIGHT?
As long as the participants are adults, and both are ok with it, why not?
While I may think it is weird, and though my involuntary prejudice tells me to avert my eyes when I see it downtown, I certainly have no right to pass judgement on them.
You, as a christian, have no right to pass judgement on them. "Judge not, lest you be judged yourself"
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Why would nature put in our genes something that would be racial suicidal?
Actually there is a good reason evolution put such a tendency in our genes, it is theoretical mind you, but there is no data to contradict it. Strangely enough its also the reason we may have grandmas and grandpas.
This all relates to the "r" vs. "K" reproductive strategies, some organisms produce tons of babies with little care, others produce fewer and fewer babies with more and more care. Our closest relatives are at the extreme end of the K reproductive strategy where they produce very few young, one per female every 5 years or so for example, and the mother during those 5 years is a full care-giver for that infant. In fact female apes do not go into estrus while they are caring for a young one. This increases the odds of the infant surviving however at the expense of lower reproductive rates.
So this sets up a question: For an extreme K reproductive strategy ape to increase its reproductive rate how can it do it and still invest the care needed for the infant?
1. Increase its social bonds with its other mates thus receiving more help so she along with the help others can care for multiple infants.
2. Members of the population who live past their reproductive prime, stop reproducing and thus become available for helping care for their grandchildren allowing the mothers to produce more young.
3. Certain members of the population do not reproduce and they help in the care of the young, these could be individuals not interested in sex or maybe individuals attracted to the same sex (thus fulfilling their psychological desires to socially bond but not reproducing).
There are probably several other reasons that can be considered, but #1 and #3 both can be said to be related to homosexuality. One way to increase one's bonds with its social mates is to give them affection, thus #1 could imply bisexual tendencies as seen in the Bonobo (pygmy chimps) while #3 could explain why evolution could maintain a small percentage of the population as homosexuals to help care for the young.
Also such activities could lead to greater social bonding all around and we see this in certain human societies where homosexual activity is normal and is used as a bonding process between males. There are several tribes in New Guinea that practice homosexual activity as the norm and they consider heterosexual activity to be so bad that they have to leave the village and do it in the jungle.
So your claims that homosexual activity cannot be natural and that homosexual activity IS a choice are unfounded and actually flies in the face of quite a bit of evidence to the contrary. Ignorance is not a virtue and leads to one looking foolish when they shoot their mouth off about something they know very little about.quote:
Well where in the bible can you find God saying Homosexuality is ok??????
The Bible says a lot of stupid things, like for instance forbidding us to wear clothes made of two fabrics. Look at the tags on your cloths now, do any of them mention more than one kind of fabric? If so, do you know that you are committing a sin that is just as terrible as being homosexual? Where in the Bible do you find it saying its ok to wear multi-fabric clothes???? That's why using a 2,000+ year old book written from a collection of a subset of stories from Hebrew tribes as a guide is ridiculous.quote:
It is proven that children raised with gay families have more physiological damange then children with both a father and mother. What's more study also reveals that many gay relationships are VERY short lived and gay people actually die way faster from unhealthy relationships. If homosexualities where allowed, think of all the dangerous diseases that would spread faster like HIV etc...., why do you think the gay population has the most deadly diseases compared to heterosexuals??
It is??? Is that a result of having 2 gay parents or a result of social stereotyping? LOL, this paragraph is so full of stupid shit, its quite amazing. You do realize that HIV/AIDS is a major killer in Africa and there it is predominately spread by heterosexual contact don't you?quote:
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Mana, get a life....or do some research before you make statements like that.
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COMING FROM THE # 1 POSTER. NICE! SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT HE NEEDS TO DO RESEARCH BECAUSE MAN ON MAN OR WOMEN ON WOMEN CAN CREATE BABIES?
FOR THOSE WHO SAY THE CANT HELP WHO THEY FALL IN LOVE WITH IS IT OK TO LOVE YOUR FATHER, MOTHER, SISTER, OR BROTHER THAT WAY? I MEAN IF YOU CAN CONTROL WHO YOU FALL IN LOVE WITH THEN HAVING SEX WITH IMMEDIATE FAMILY SHOULD BE JUST FINE RIGHT?
No, he's saying that Mana needs to research because he has a number of really false statements.
1) Gay is not a choice. Every one of the people I have spoken to who were homosexual never had a point in their lives after reaching sexual awareness, that they weren't attracted to members of the same sex.
2) Homosexual activity does occur in animals naturally. There have been over 50 different species where it has manifested. This appears to be a natural instinct triggered by over population.
3) The Bible makes no mention of homosexual activity being wrong except in Leviticus which Bible scolars consider SUPERCEDED by the "New Covenant". Otherwise, you would still have to make burnt offerings to God. All other passages claiming to "condemn" homosexuality consist of stories of how God uses homosexuality to punish a heterosexual or makes reference to living a "moral" life.
4) The same tired arguements somehow linking AIDS as a gay disease. It isn't. The biggest population of AIDS is in homosexual males and least in homosexual females. This indicates that the male homosexual act contains risk factors which aid the transmission of sexualy transmitted diseases. Don't take my word for it.
Source: Center for Disease Control
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/stats/hasr1302.htm
5) Heterosexuals have the same diseases as the homosexual community.
6) Mana has failed to provide any sources for his assertations concerning alledged medical studies. Given the nature of the studies, I am very skeptical of their veracity.
7) No one is suggesting that same sex couples are able to naturally produce offspring without clinical aid. We are saying that the rest of his post is complete crap. |
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WHATS WRONG WITH MY CAPS? I HAPPEN TO LIKE MY CAPS. SO WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS BECAUSE SOCIATY THINKS I SHOULD NOT USE CAPS ALL THE TIME I CAN NOT USE THEM? AS FAR AS SPELLING THE ABC BUTTON WITH THE CHECK MARK ON IT FIXED THAT FOR ME. AND MY ALL MEANS IM NOT SAYING THE CREATION88 IS RIGHT ABOUT HIS POST IM JUST BORD AND REPLYING TO YOU GUYS.
THE WORD "GAY" IS SLANG FOR HOMOSEXUAL. GUESS I JUST ASSUMED THAT GAY PEOPLE HAD SEX WITH EACH OTHER. MY BAD.
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I LIKE YOUR POST YOU ATLEAST ADDRESS WHAT YOU THINK IS WRONG WITH THE PEOPLES POST .. BUT ANIMALS OF SAME SEX HAVING SEX IN THE WILD IS COOL BUT SEVERAL ANIMALS KILL EACHOTHER IN THE WILD AS WELL BUT THAT IS CLEARLY AGAINST THE LAW AND FROWNED UPON BY OTHER PEOPLE. AND YOU SAY NATURALLY BUT FROM WHAT I HAVE SEEN IT IS USAUL A DOMINATE MALE THAT IS THE GIVING AND A LESSER MALE RECIEVING. IM NOT SAYING THAT THE LESSER MALE DOES NOT LIKE IT TOO. BUT HE DOES TEND TO RUN AWAY AFTER THE DOMINATE MALE LETS HIM GO. MAYBE HE IS GOING TO TELL ALL OF HIS FRIENDS WHAT HE JUST DID. BUT USUAL THEY RUN AWAY FROM THE REST OF THE MEMBERS OF THEIR GROUPING.
AIDS FROM MY UNDERSTANDING AID CAME FROM A GAY OR BI PIOLT THAT HAD SEX IN AFFRICA AND CAME BACK TO AMERICA SOME WHERE IN CALI AND THATS WHEN THE OUT BREAK OF AIDS IN AMERICA STARTED. YES THERE HAS BEEN MANY STUDIES OF TRIBES IN AFRICA AND SOME DO HAVE 90% OF THEIR PEOPLE HAVE HIV. AS FAR AS HETEROSEXUALS AND HOMOSEXUALS HAVING THE SAME DISEASES I BELIEVE IT IS DO TO BI SEXUAL PEOPLE THAT SPEAD THEM BETWEEN THE TWO.
IS IT A CHOISE? I DONT KNOW. BUT I DO KNOW THAT I USE TO ALWAYS HIT THE NIEBORS DOGS WITH ROCK ON MY WAY HOME FROM SCHOOL IT FELT NATRUAL TO ME. I TRIED REALY HARD TO NOT THROW ROCKS AT THE DOGS BUT I JUST HAD SUCH AN URGE TO DO IT THAT I COULDNT RESIST IT. BUT NOW THAT I AM OLDER AND WISER( NOT TO MENTION THE ASS WOOPING THAT MY DAD GAVE ME WHEN THE NIEBOR COMPLAINED ABOUT ME DOING IT) SORRY LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT OH WELL.
THE BOTTOM LINE IS IF THEY DONT HIT ON MY THEN THEY DONT BOTHER ME. UNFORTANINTLY THEY DO HIT ON MY BUT I DONT REALLY CARE. IF IT IS AGAINST GOD THEN LET HIM DEAL WITH IT. IF YOU THINK IT IS AGAINST GOD THEN DONT BE THAT WAY AND JUST WORRY ABOUT YOURSELF. WEATHIER IT IS NATURAL OR BY CHOISE.. IT IS STILL A CHOISE BECAUSE YOU CAN CHOOSE WITHER OR NOT TO ACT ON THOSE FEELINGS. I HAVE GOTEN THE FEELING THAT A PERSON NEEDED TO DIE BUT I DIDNT ACT ON THAT FEELING DIDNT EVEN KNOW WHO THAT PERSON WAS. I MADE A CHOISE A GOOD ONE AT THAT FOR I REALLY WOULDNT WANT TO FACE THOSE CONSEQUENCES. IF YOU LOOK AROUND ENOUGH YOU CAN FINE EVIDENCE OR "PROOF" OF WHAT EVER YOU ARE LOOKING FOR.
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Posted - 09/11/2003 : 03:56:06 [Permalink]
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WHATS WRONG WITH MY CAPS? I HAPPEN TO LIKE MY CAPS. SO WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS BECAUSE SOCIATY THINKS I SHOULD NOT USE CAPS ALL THE TIME I CAN NOT USE THEM? AS FAR AS SPELLING THE ABC BUTTON WITH THE CHECK MARK ON IT FIXED THAT FOR ME. AND MY ALL MEANS IM NOT SAYING THE CREATION88 IS RIGHT ABOUT HIS POST IM JUST BORD AND REPLYING TO YOU GUYS.
It just makes it easier to read.....again, spell checking is good.
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AIDS FROM MY UNDERSTANDING AID CAME FROM A GAY OR BI PIOLT THAT HAD SEX IN AFFRICA AND CAME BACK TO AMERICA SOME WHERE IN CALI AND THATS WHEN THE OUT BREAK OF AIDS IN AMERICA STARTED. YES THERE HAS BEEN MANY STUDIES OF TRIBES IN AFRICA AND SOME DO HAVE 90% OF THEIR PEOPLE HAVE HIV. AS FAR AS HETEROSEXUALS AND HOMOSEXUALS HAVING THE SAME DISEASES I BELIEVE IT IS DO TO BI SEXUAL PEOPLE THAT SPEAD THEM BETWEEN THE TWO.
AIDS is more common in gays because they happen to be a little more promiscuous and unfortunately do not practice safe sex as much as they should. Also, anal sex often causes a lot more bleeding than conventional sex, which is why the disease spread more easily in homosexual men. I could be wrong here though guys, correct me if I am.
If sexual diseases were the reason for saying a sexual activity is wrong, then what about gonorrheae, syphilous, herpes etc. We are all equally susceptible to them.
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THE BOTTOM LINE IS IF THEY DONT HIT ON MY THEN THEY DONT BOTHER ME. UNFORTANINTLY THEY DO HIT ON MY BUT I DONT REALLY CARE. IF IT IS AGAINST GOD THEN LET HIM DEAL WITH IT. IF YOU THINK IT IS AGAINST GOD THEN DONT BE THAT WAY AND JUST WORRY ABOUT YOURSELF. WEATHIER IT IS NATURAL OR BY CHOISE..
You must be a good looking fella, I have some friends that may want to meet you.....
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BUT I DO KNOW THAT I USE TO ALWAYS HIT THE NIEBORS DOGS WITH ROCK ON MY WAY HOME FROM SCHOOL IT FELT NATRUAL TO ME. I TRIED REALY HARD TO NOT THROW ROCKS AT THE DOGS BUT I JUST HAD SUCH AN URGE TO DO IT THAT I COULDNT RESIST IT.
I HAVE GOTEN THE FEELING THAT A PERSON NEEDED TO DIE BUT I DIDNT ACT ON THAT FEELING DIDNT EVEN KNOW WHO THAT PERSON WAS.
Not a very nice fella though....
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Posted - 09/11/2003 : 07:12:17 [Permalink]
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WHATS WRONG WITH MY CAPS? I HAPPEN TO LIKE MY CAPS. SO WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS BECAUSE SOCIATY THINKS I SHOULD NOT USE CAPS ALL THE TIME I CAN NOT USE THEM? AS FAR AS SPELLING THE ABC BUTTON WITH THE CHECK MARK ON IT FIXED THAT FOR ME. AND MY ALL MEANS IM NOT SAYING THE CREATION88 IS RIGHT ABOUT HIS POST IM JUST BORD AND REPLYING TO YOU GUYS.
THE WORD "GAY" IS SLANG FOR HOMOSEXUAL. GUESS I JUST ASSUMED THAT GAY PEOPLE HAD SEX WITH EACH OTHER. MY BAD.
VD..
I LIKE YOUR POST YOU ATLEAST ADDRESS WHAT YOU THINK IS WRONG WITH THE PEOPLES POST .. BUT ANIMALS OF SAME SEX HAVING SEX IN THE WILD IS COOL BUT SEVERAL ANIMALS KILL EACHOTHER IN THE WILD AS WELL BUT THAT IS CLEARLY AGAINST THE LAW AND FROWNED UPON BY OTHER PEOPLE. AND YOU SAY NATURALLY BUT FROM WHAT I HAVE SEEN IT IS USAUL A DOMINATE MALE THAT IS THE GIVING AND A LESSER MALE RECIEVING. IM NOT SAYING THAT THE LESSER MALE DOES NOT LIKE IT TOO. BUT HE DOES TEND TO RUN AWAY AFTER THE DOMINATE MALE LETS HIM GO. MAYBE HE IS GOING TO TELL ALL OF HIS FRIENDS WHAT HE JUST DID. BUT USUAL THEY RUN AWAY FROM THE REST OF THE MEMBERS OF THEIR GROUPING.
AIDS FROM MY UNDERSTANDING AID CAME FROM A GAY OR BI PIOLT THAT HAD SEX IN AFFRICA AND CAME BACK TO AMERICA SOME WHERE IN CALI AND THATS WHEN THE OUT BREAK OF AIDS IN AMERICA STARTED. YES THERE HAS BEEN MANY STUDIES OF TRIBES IN AFRICA AND SOME DO HAVE 90% OF THEIR PEOPLE HAVE HIV. AS FAR AS HETEROSEXUALS AND HOMOSEXUALS HAVING THE SAME DISEASES I BELIEVE IT IS DO TO BI SEXUAL PEOPLE THAT SPEAD THEM BETWEEN THE TWO.
IS IT A CHOISE? I DONT KNOW. BUT I DO KNOW THAT I USE TO ALWAYS HIT THE NIEBORS DOGS WITH ROCK ON MY WAY HOME FROM SCHOOL IT FELT NATRUAL TO ME. I TRIED REALY HARD TO NOT THROW ROCKS AT THE DOGS BUT I JUST HAD SUCH AN URGE TO DO IT THAT I COULDNT RESIST IT. BUT NOW THAT I AM OLDER AND WISER( NOT TO MENTION THE ASS WOOPING THAT MY DAD GAVE ME WHEN THE NIEBOR COMPLAINED ABOUT ME DOING IT) SORRY LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT OH WELL.
THE BOTTOM LINE IS IF THEY DONT HIT ON MY THEN THEY DONT BOTHER ME. UNFORTANINTLY THEY DO HIT ON MY BUT I DONT REALLY CARE. IF IT IS AGAINST GOD THEN LET HIM DEAL WITH IT. IF YOU THINK IT IS AGAINST GOD THEN DONT BE THAT WAY AND JUST WORRY ABOUT YOURSELF. WEATHIER IT IS NATURAL OR BY CHOISE.. IT IS STILL A CHOISE BECAUSE YOU CAN CHOOSE WITHER OR NOT TO ACT ON THOSE FEELINGS. I HAVE GOTEN THE FEELING THAT A PERSON NEEDED TO DIE BUT I DIDNT ACT ON THAT FEELING DIDNT EVEN KNOW WHO THAT PERSON WAS. I MADE A CHOISE A GOOD ONE AT THAT FOR I REALLY WOULDNT WANT TO FACE THOSE CONSEQUENCES. IF YOU LOOK AROUND ENOUGH YOU CAN FINE EVIDENCE OR "PROOF" OF WHAT EVER YOU ARE LOOKING FOR.
THOSE WHO HAVE FAITH NEED NO PROOF. THOSE WHO DONT HAVE FAITH COULDN'T HAVE ENOUGH PROOF. IT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS.
Actually, Bisexual contact isn't the usual way it goes from homo to heterosexual and vise versa. It is usually the sharing of needles by intraveinous drug users.
When determining the relative natural urges and moral behavior, one has to look at whether or not people get hurt by it. Killing is a universal wrong. It is morally wrong in society. The Bible mentions several places where killing is wrong.
For homosexuality, who gets hurt?
The people involved? No.
Since homosexuality only affects those two people and has no societal impact, it is a morally neutral act as long as it is done behind closed doors. The Bible only mentions Homosexuality as wrong in one place in Leviticus which is a book considered superceded by the "New Covenant".
As for a choice, you could always choose to be a homosexual, but why would you want to choose against your own natural sexual attractions? Since sexuality is a morally neutral activity which takes place outside the view of society and affects only two adults of their own free wills, there is no compelling reason to choose against ones own sexual attractions. |
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Posted - 09/11/2003 : 07:20:59 [Permalink]
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WHATS WRONG WITH MY CAPS? I HAPPEN TO LIKE MY CAPS. SO WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS BECAUSE SOCIATY THINKS I SHOULD NOT USE CAPS ALL THE TIME I CAN NOT USE THEM? AS FAR AS SPELLING THE ABC BUTTON WITH THE CHECK MARK ON IT FIXED THAT FOR ME.
Well, you obviously forgot to use it on this post. There were 40 yellow markings in your post when I tried the [ABC] button, not counting spelling errors that changes the meaning of the word thus producing grammatical errors.
In all forums I have read/written to, using caps equals shouting. How would you feel if you had to talk to someone who's always shouting in your face. It's just unpolite.
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AIDS FROM MY UNDERSTANDING AID CAME FROM A GAY OR BI PIOLT THAT HAD SEX IN AFFRICA AND CAME BACK TO AMERICA SOME WHERE IN CALI AND THATS WHEN THE OUT BREAK OF AIDS IN AMERICA STARTED.
That sounds very much like an urban legend. When a disease spreads to another region it's rarely one single individual that carries it. Since AIDS is so wide spread in Africa, many people get infected each year and and take it home to the US. It's hard to know exactly when and where it all started since in the beginning the method of identifying it was
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YES THERE HAS BEEN MANY STUDIES OF TRIBES IN AFRICA AND SOME DO HAVE 90% OF THEIR PEOPLE HAVE HIV. AS FAR AS HETEROSEXUALS AND HOMOSEXUALS HAVING THE SAME DISEASES I BELIEVE IT IS DO TO BI SEXUAL PEOPLE THAT SPEAD THEM BETWEEN THE TWO.
People have been infected by blood transfusions. And the reason it spreads quicker amongst homosexual men is that they don't use protection aka condom as much as they should. It's quite obvious isn't it? Why use a condom when they don't have to worry about getting pregnant? Without condom you have "an exchange of bodily fluids" which is the means for AIDS to spread.
A righteous christian male not living in sin gets infected by a blood transfusion, or when he is giving mouth-to-mouth CPR to traffic accident victim (saving his life). He goes home to his equally pure christian wife and they try to make a baby. She ends up getting both AIDS and a baby also infected by AIDS.
Should she have an abortion? 
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IF IT IS AGAINST GOD THEN LET HIM DEAL WITH IT. IF YOU THINK IT IS AGAINST GOD THEN DONT BE THAT WAY AND JUST WORRY ABOUT YOURSELF.
Right! It's a good philosophy.
However, the debate remains: Since some christians are saying the bible says gay is wrong. We don't agree, and like to make people understand how and why.
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THOSE WHO HAVE FAITH NEED NO PROOF. THOSE WHO DONT HAVE FAITH COULDN'T HAVE ENOUGH PROOF. IT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS.
Well, proof is what we are all about. In several of these forums we are trying to explain to christians that we have proof that what they believe is wrong. They are so stubborn they don't accept it.
It makes me sad, people who don't care to know the truth.
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
Originally posted by STFU:
AIDS FROM MY UNDERSTANDING AID CAME FROM A GAY OR BI PIOLT THAT HAD SEX IN AFFRICA AND CAME BACK TO AMERICA SOME WHERE IN CALI AND THATS WHEN THE OUT BREAK OF AIDS IN AMERICA STARTED.
by Dr. Mabuse:
That sounds very much like an urban legend.
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He's refering to 'patient zero' which was a study but I'm not sure if the conclusion was valid. However the story was widely reported on news programs......LOL, which doesn't make it true either.
Well, it's the first reaction of simple and uneducated men: to try to find someone to place blame on. If they got the right man or not, they won't give a shit as long as they have someone to burn at the stake.
I can see why the "patient zero" seems appealing to christian gay-hate mongers.
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I am always amused by people who insist that homosexuality is a choice. Of course, since they usually go on to condemn homosexuals as sinners, or whatever, they are pretty much locked into the choice argument. I believe there is some scientific research which indicates a possible neurochemical basis for sexual preference.
As for me, I doubt a straight person wakes up one day and says, "Gee, I think I'll be gay! I'll get to experience the hostility and fear of others, discrimination in the workplace and the possibility of actual physical assault by thugs who will look upon me as sub-human! Sounds like fun!" Even in our so-called enlightened age, there is still plenty of hostility towards gay people, and right-wing politicians and demogogues encourage it. I think any gay person has to be brave to take the risk of declaring his or her sexuality. Just my two cents... |
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I am always amused by people who insist that homosexuality is a choice. Of course, since they usually go on to condemn homosexuals as sinners, or whatever, they are pretty much locked into the choice argument. I believe there is some scientific research which indicates a possible neurochemical basis for sexual preference.
As for me, I doubt a straight person wakes up one day and says, "Gee, I think I'll be gay! I'll get to experience the hostility and fear of others, discrimination in the workplace and the possibility of actual physical assault by thugs who will look upon me as sub-human! Sounds like fun!" Even in our so-called enlightened age, there is still plenty of hostility towards gay people, and right-wing politicians and demogogues encourage it. I think any gay person has to be brave to take the risk of declaring his or her sexuality. Just my two cents...
Yes, hdb, that if nothing else is such a convincing argument (against the so called choice issue), IMO. And you stated it so clearly, thank you.
Also what about those many public personalities as well as other regular people who try to hide or deny their homosexual tendencies because of the embarrassment, ridicule and nonacceptance in main stream society. If it's a choice they wouldn't have to pretend to be something they are not because they could choose not to be it in the 1st place. |
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"Well, proof is what we are all about. In several of these forums we are trying to explain to Christians that we have proof that what they believe is wrong. They are so stubborn they don't accept it.
It makes me sad, people who don't care to know the truth."
AND WHERE IS THIS PROOF THAT GAYISM IS GENETIC?
"A righteous Christian male not living in sin gets infected by a blood transfusion, or when he is giving mouth-to-mouth CPR to traffic accident victim (saving his life). He goes home to his equally pure Christian wife and they try to make a baby. She ends up getting both AIDS and a baby also infected by AIDS.
Should she have an abortion?"
NO, JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE BOTH INFECTED IN YOUR CASE. DOESN'T MEANT THAT THEIR KID WILL BE INFECTED AND IF THE KID IS INFECTED CHANCES ARE THAT IT WILL ONLY BE HIV AND THAT THEY WILL NEVER GET FOOL BLOWN AIDS. BUT IF THEY DO HAVE HIV THEY CAN INFECT OTHER PEOPLE.
"Well, it's the first reaction of simple and uneducated men: to try to find someone to place blame on. If they got the right man or not, they won't give a shit as long as they have someone to burn at the stake."
NOT SURE WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO SAY, BUT JUST BECAUSE THEY KNOW WHO THE FIRST REPORTED CASE WAS AND TRACES ITS ORIGINS DOESN'T MEAN THEY ARE LOOKS FOR SOME ONE TO BLAME IT ON. AND THIS IS SOMETHING I LEARNED AT SCHOLL IN SEX ED CLASS.
GAY-HATE MONGER. IS THAT A PROFESSIONAL/EDUCATED TERM?
NO WHERE IN MY TEXT DID I SAY I HATED GAYS. I JUST CHOOSE NOT TO LIVE THEIR LIFE STYLE.
IM GLAD YOU CAN COUNT, BUT I HAVE ALREADY ADMITTED I CAN NOT SPELL.
http://www.avert.org/origins.htm
"International Travel
The role of international travel in the spread of HIV was highlighted by the case of 'Patient Zero'. Patient Zero was a Canadian flight attendant called Gaetan Dugas who traveled extensively worldwide. Analysis of several of the early cases of AIDS showed that the infected individuals were either direct or indirect sexual contacts of the flight attendant. These cases could be traced to several different American cities demonstrating the role of international travel in spreading the virus. It also suggested that the disease was probably the consequence of a single transmissible agent."
"However, the debate remains: Since some Christians are saying the bible says gay is wrong. We don't agree, and like to make people understand how and why."
ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU DON'T AGREE THAT BEING GAY IS WRONG OR THAT ITS DOESN'T SAY IT IN THE BIBLE?
ROMANS 1, 26-27
26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
"AIDS is more common in gays because they happen to be a little more promiscuous and unfortunately do not practice safe sex as much as they should. Also, anal sex often causes a lot more bleeding than conventional sex, which is why the disease spread more easily in homosexual men. I could be wrong here though guys, correct me if I am.
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BLEEDING FROM THE REAR SOUNDS LIKE IT WOULD HURT TO ME, BUT THEN AGAIN I HAVE NOT TRIED IT.
I DID NOT PASS JUDGMENT I WAS ASKING HOW THEY CAN DRAWN THE LINE BY NOT FALLING IN LOVE WITH A FAMILY MEMBER.
SORRY LAST POST BORED WITH THIS TOPIC.
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TragiC
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Posted - 09/13/2003 : 03:18:45 [Permalink]
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Alright, I just found this thread and decided to give my two-cents:
First off, God gave us all the choice to make whatever decision in the world including whether to stray from the norm or to stay with our basic instincts. Having sex with the opposite gender is part of our basic instincts as it is the ONLY way to have offspring naturally. Note the word NATURALLY. You cannot produce offspring from the same gender having sex.
Next off, in the Bible homosexuality IS considered a sin (and is, I believe, mentioned about 6 different times). I wish I could quote or even tell you where each of these. I know of one passage, however, is in Romans 1:24-29. I would post the whole passage but fear most of you won't read it anyways. I will look for others if you are interested in knowing more of what the Bible has to say.
Also, the Bible talks about judgement as some of you have mentioned; it says not to judge. This is true, as the final judgement is God's to make and God's alone. This, however, will never stop us as mankind to stop judging as it seems to be part of us sometimes. It's whether we act on that or not, again another choice. Do we discriminate against someone or something because of our own judgement or opinion. I don't want to sound as a saint as even I am guilty of acting upon judgement once or twice. People are not perfect and therefore are going to judge and have strong opinions (hence this site) However, in the text from the Bible, we are not to judge gay people upon the fact that they are sinning. I do not agree with gay-bashing even if I also believe that the act of homosexuality is a sin. I have known and worked with gay people and gotten along with them just fine. They are still human beings that God both gave the choice to be gay and who still loves them.
So, can another man love another man? Sure! We are to love everyone as we love ourselves, but not have sex with them. We were made for men to be with women, and women to be with men. That is it.
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