|
|
|
gezzam
SFN Regular
Australia
751 Posts |
 Posted - 09/13/2003 : 06:44:06 [Permalink]
|
Just to throw something else into the mix, what about Transgender people? Some people feel that they were born the wrong gender. As with homosexuality, it must be hard to handle the barbs of the general public. But it is an issue worth talking about.
Sex is a funny thing, there are different fetishes everywhere. You just have to accidently hit a porn site with all those pop up windows and you will see everything from bestiality to foot fetishes. Each to their own I suppose.
Why is it that sex seems to be so much more than just keeping the species going with us?
Edited for spelling
|
Mistakes are a part of being human. Appreciate your mistakes for what they are: precious life lessons that can only be learned the hard way. Unless it's a fatal mistake, which, at least, others can learn from.
Al Franken |
| Edited by - gezzam on 09/13/2003 06:44:33 |
 |
|
|
Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
9696 Posts |
Posted - 09/13/2003 : 15:00:48 [Permalink]
|
quote:
Originally posted by STFU
AND WHERE IS THIS PROOF THAT GAYISM IS GENETIC?
We don't have conclusive proof that being homosexual is genetic.
Exactly what to you mean by "gayism" anyway? Is it just the sexual act between two people of the same sex, or is it the romantic feeling between two people of the same sex? Or is it two men french-kissing?
There is no proof that homosexuality is NOT genetic. It could very well be. However, just because it's genetic does not mean it will be bred out of the species just like that. There is probably no single Gay-gene. Had that been the case, it would have disappeared within a generation. And even then, homosexual people are not confined to have sex with the same sex, and can have offspring that way. Not a year ago we had a law suit in my home town where a gay woman sued a man for child support, because he was gracious enough to lend her his sperm when she and her girl-friend wanted a baby. (An unwise move on his side, that's a completely different subject)
I am more inclined to believe it's a combination of genes and environment.
quote:
NO, JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE BOTH INFECTED IN YOUR CASE. DOESN'T MEANT THAT THEIR KID WILL BE INFECTED AND IF THE KID IS INFECTED CHANCES ARE THAT IT WILL ONLY BE HIV AND THAT THEY WILL NEVER GET FOOL BLOWN AIDS. BUT IF THEY DO HAVE HIV THEY CAN INFECT OTHER PEOPLE.
I did a search on the net, and learned something. The chance of the child being born without having HIV is far grater than I thought. And if the mother knows that she is HIV positive and doesn't breast feed her child, there's actually a good chance the child will have a good life. I stand corrected.
quote:
NOT SURE WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO SAY, BUT JUST BECAUSE THEY KNOW WHO THE FIRST REPORTED CASE WAS AND TRACES ITS ORIGINS DOESN'T MEAN THEY ARE LOOKS FOR SOME ONE TO BLAME IT ON. AND THIS IS SOMETHING I LEARNED AT SCHOLL IN SEX ED CLASS.
The emphasis should be on THE FIRST REPORTED CASE. And guess what, the first reported case does not have to be the very origin of the spreading in the US. The very same site you refer to ( http://www.avert.org/origins.htm ) regarding "patient zero" says: "the 7th Conference on Retroviruses and Opportunistic Infections, suggested that the first case of HIV infection occurred around 1930 in West Africa."
However, they also say that the origin is unclear, and that the origin might even be South America.
The paragraph regarding "patient zero" does not have any references like other paragraphs such as the sections regarding the virus juping species.
quote:
I JUST CHOOSE NOT TO LIVE THEIR LIFE STYLE.
Then you could actually be homosexual yourself, choosing not to to live their style...
Would you feel offended if I suggested that?
quote:
"However, the debate remains: Since some Christians are saying the bible says gay is wrong. We don't agree, and like to make people understand how and why."
ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU DON'T AGREE THAT BEING GAY IS WRONG OR THAT ITS DOESN'T SAY IT IN THE BIBLE?
Why not both? I used to read the bible some back in the days when I got baptized in the Pentecostal church in my home town. However, since I broke with the church, I have fast forgotten stuff like in which chapter and verse this or that is stated. The bible is full of important stuff about the human condition, but it's also full of shit too. And as long as you treat it as the true word of God, you're going to do yourself a disservice.
I realized that, and the day chose to put it all (God) behind me and start again I started to grow as a person like I never thought possible. Having faith in myself is much more rewarding than having faith in a God that does not exist.
quote:
ROMANS 1, 26-27
26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
Ok, the verse says that gay sex is shameful, but not against God's law.
Wanking off is also considered shameful by christians, still most of them does it, though they dont openly admit it, because it's shameful to do so. Is it against God's law?
quote:
BLEEDING FROM THE REAR SOUNDS LIKE IT WOULD HURT TO ME, BUT THEN AGAIN I HAVE NOT TRIED IT.
Love is pain... or so they say. When a woman is penetrated for the first time, they usually bleed. And it hurts. And they know it will. But somehow most of them still do it, can you understand why?
quote:
I DID NOT PASS JUDGMENT I WAS ASKING HOW THEY CAN DRAWN THE LINE BY NOT FALLING IN LOVE WITH A FAMILY MEMBER.
How can YOU draw the line by not falling in love with someone in your own family?
I went back to your original post and tried to make some sense out of it.
Really falling in Love is not a choice.
However, what you chose to do about it is a choice.
Whatever choice you decide to make, I hope it will make you happy, when that time comes.
edit for some spelling |
Dr. Mabuse - "When the going gets tough, the tough get Duct-tape..."
Dr. Mabuse whisper.mp3
"Equivocation is not just a job, for a creationist it's a way of life..." Dr. Mabuse
Support American Troops in Iraq:
Send them unarmed civilians for target practice..
Collateralmurder. |
| Edited by - Dr. Mabuse on 09/13/2003 15:17:33 |
|
|
|
Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
9696 Posts |
Posted - 09/13/2003 : 15:11:39 [Permalink]
|
quote:
Originally posted by TragiC
Alright, I just found this thread and decided to give my two-cents:
First off, God gave us all the choice to make whatever decision in the world including whether to stray from the norm or to stay with our basic instincts. Having sex with the opposite gender is part of our basic instincts as it is the ONLY way to have offspring naturally.
Being jealous is also a basic instinct, and seeing someone hit on my girl makes me enraged. Bashing his skull in with a five pound stone is a natural reaction. Does it make my instinct right? In the natural kingdom most males compete with force for the right to propagate.
quote:
Note the word NATURALLY. You cannot produce offspring from the same gender having sex.
Let me re-iterate what has already been stated before in this thread: Gay people can have children. Just not with each other. So what?
quote:
However, in the text from the Bible, we are not to judge gay people upon the fact that they are sinning. I do not agree with gay-bashing even if I also believe that the act of homosexuality is a sin. I have known and worked with gay people and gotten along with them just fine. They are still human beings that God both gave the choice to be gay and who still loves them.
Then I expect you to speak up against those who want to legislate against homosexuality, and "acts of homosexuality".
Are you willing to promise us you will?
|
Dr. Mabuse - "When the going gets tough, the tough get Duct-tape..."
Dr. Mabuse whisper.mp3
"Equivocation is not just a job, for a creationist it's a way of life..." Dr. Mabuse
Support American Troops in Iraq:
Send them unarmed civilians for target practice..
Collateralmurder. |
|
|
|
Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
USA
4826 Posts |
Posted - 09/15/2003 : 08:54:43 [Permalink]
|
quote:
Originally posted by TragiC
Alright, I just found this thread and decided to give my two-cents:
First off, God gave us all the choice to make whatever decision in the world including whether to stray from the norm or to stay with our basic instincts. Having sex with the opposite gender is part of our basic instincts as it is the ONLY way to have offspring naturally. Note the word NATURALLY. You cannot produce offspring from the same gender having sex.
Next off, in the Bible homosexuality IS considered a sin (and is, I believe, mentioned about 6 different times). I wish I could quote or even tell you where each of these. I know of one passage, however, is in Romans 1:24-29. I would post the whole passage but fear most of you won't read it anyways. I will look for others if you are interested in knowing more of what the Bible has to say.
Also, the Bible talks about judgement as some of you have mentioned; it says not to judge. This is true, as the final judgement is God's to make and God's alone. This, however, will never stop us as mankind to stop judging as it seems to be part of us sometimes. It's whether we act on that or not, again another choice. Do we discriminate against someone or something because of our own judgement or opinion. I don't want to sound as a saint as even I am guilty of acting upon judgement once or twice. People are not perfect and therefore are going to judge and have strong opinions (hence this site) However, in the text from the Bible, we are not to judge gay people upon the fact that they are sinning. I do not agree with gay-bashing even if I also believe that the act of homosexuality is a sin. I have known and worked with gay people and gotten along with them just fine. They are still human beings that God both gave the choice to be gay and who still loves them.
So, can another man love another man? Sure! We are to love everyone as we love ourselves, but not have sex with them. We were made for men to be with women, and women to be with men. That is it.
A correction to your post.
The Bible only mentions homosexuality as being a sin in Leviticus. Your cite of Romans 1:24-29 indicates God using homosexuality as a punishment to heterosexuals for sins, not homosexuality as a sin.
Other passages that have been cited to me indicate that one should strive to live a moral life or homosexuality as a punishment to heterosexuals. No mention of homosexuality as a sin occurs outside Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13, a book considered superceded by the "New Covenant". |
Cthulhu/Asmodeus when you're tired of voting for the lesser of two evils
Brother Cutlass of Reasoned Discussion |
|
|
|
TragiC
New Member
USA
2 Posts |
Posted - 09/16/2003 : 00:48:45 [Permalink]
|
Dr.Mabuse:
quote:
Being jealous is also a basic instinct, and seeing someone hit on my girl makes me enraged. Bashing his skull in with a five pound stone is a natural reaction. Does it make my instinct right? In the natural kingdom most males compete with force for the right to propagate.
Your anger is a natural reaction, not the action of beating his skul in with a stone. Whether you act on your emotions or not is a choice you decide (wow, another choice!). Animals compete (or fight) for the priveledge to mate with a female. We as humans are classed higher than animals as we have the ability to think for ourselves and not JUST act or choose upon their instincts.
The anger you describe is better compared to one's attraction towards another. You don't make babies by just being attracted without continuing with that process.
quote:
Let me re-iterate what has already been stated before in this thread: Gay people can have children. Just not with each other. So what?
My point here was that it was natural to have offspring with the opposite sex. Yes, a gay couple can have kids, but they canNOT have kids by having sex (which was God's intended purpose for sex in the first place).
And that's my 2-piece. |
|
|
|
jmcginn
Skeptic Friend
343 Posts |
Posted - 09/16/2003 : 06:53:27 [Permalink]
|
quote:
I am more inclined to believe it's a combination of genes and environment.
Actually it is a fact that all complex behavioral traits have both a biological and environmental basis. One's sexual orientation is definitely a complex behavioral trait. |
|
|
|
Snake
SFN Addict
USA
2511 Posts |
Posted - 09/16/2003 : 23:38:20 [Permalink]
|
quote:
Originally posted by TragiC
We as humans are classed higher than animals as we have the ability to think for ourselves and not JUST act or choose upon their instincts.
No. Humans are not 'higher' than animals.....they ARE animals.
BTW, other animals 'think' too. Perhaps not in the way humans do or with as much knowledge or logic but they make choices.
quote:
My point here was that it was natural to have offspring with the opposite sex. Yes, a gay couple can have kids, but they canNOT have kids by having sex
(which was God's intended purpose for sex in the first place).
Oh, holly krist!
I certainly hope not.
I've always liked sex (as you put it). Accidentally two children happened because of it. I never cared much for them, so what's the point of having kids? One of them I haven't talked to or seen in over 5 years and the other one isn't talking to me now, haha.
Sex is fun, kids are not. |
|
|
|
Mahaad_Mana
New Member
29 Posts |
Posted - 09/17/2003 : 22:42:16 [Permalink]
|
IN REPLY TO:
I am always amused by people who insist that homosexuality is a choice. Of course, since they usually go on to condemn homosexuals as sinners, or whatever, they are pretty much locked into the choice argument. I believe there is some scientific research which indicates a possible neurochemical basis for sexual preference.
As for me, I doubt a straight person wakes up one day and says, "Gee, I think I'll be gay! I'll get to experience the hostility and fear of others, discrimination in the workplace and the possibility of actual physical assault by thugs who will look upon me as sub-human! Sounds like fun!" Even in our so-called enlightened age, there is still plenty of hostility towards gay people, and right-wing politicians and demogogues encourage it. I think any gay person has to be brave to take the risk of declaring his or her sexuality. Just my two cents...
Acutally homosexuality is a CHOICE! It's like getting tempted, 'Should I steal this chocolate or won't I?' I thought I was homosexual once and when I chose to disregard those feelings it dissappeared. Homosexuals are just sick minded people who should learn to control it.
|
|
|
|
Mahaad_Mana
New Member
29 Posts |
Posted - 09/17/2003 : 22:49:00 [Permalink]
|
IN REPLY TO:
Note the word NATURALLY. You cannot produce offspring from the same gender having sex.
Then some one replied:
Let me re-iterate what has already been stated before in this thread: Gay people can have children. Just not with each other. So what?
Answer: Are you a idiot? Of course they can have children with thier opposite gender, everyone is born that way. But they choose to like thier own gender which makes its unatural since it cannot produce babies. So it's saying Homosexuality is unnatural. Self explanatory. Just accpet the facts for once. |
|
|
|
Mahaad_Mana
New Member
29 Posts |
Posted - 09/17/2003 : 22:52:32 [Permalink]
|
In reply to:
I am always amused by people who insist that homosexuality is a choice. Of course, since they usually go on to condemn homosexuals as sinners, or whatever, they are pretty much locked into the choice argument. I believe there is some scientific research which indicates a possible neurochemical basis for sexual preference.
As for me, I doubt a straight person wakes up one day and says, "Gee, I think I'll be gay! I'll get to experience the hostility and fear of others, discrimination in the workplace and the possibility of actual physical assault by thugs who will look upon me as sub-human! Sounds like fun!" Even in our so-called enlightened age, there is still plenty of hostility towards gay people, and right-wing politicians and demogogues encourage it. I think any gay person has to be brave to take the risk of declaring his or her sexuality. Just my two cents...
Answer: People choose to be gay because they decided it feels 'good' to do it with their own gender. Since this is not natural, they are protesting to be accepted like homosexual people. |
|
|
|
gezzam
SFN Regular
Australia
751 Posts |
Posted - 09/17/2003 : 23:45:22 [Permalink]
|
quote:
Originally posted by Mahaad_Mana
Acutally homosexuality is a CHOICE! It's like getting tempted, 'Should I steal this chocolate or won't I?' I thought I was homosexual once and when I chose to disregard those feelings it dissappeared. Homosexuals are just sick minded people who should learn to control it.
So you thought you were homosexual once. Maybe you are Bi-sexual, kind like batting for both teams. So you have had homosexual feelings at some time. This should prove to you that other people have them. As I said before, if that is what rocks your boat, go for it. Why deny it. Maybe if you smoke on someone for a few minutes you won't be so damn condescending about letting adult people make choices.
Personally, I feel like I am a lesbian....I love women all equally.
|
Mistakes are a part of being human. Appreciate your mistakes for what they are: precious life lessons that can only be learned the hard way. Unless it's a fatal mistake, which, at least, others can learn from.
Al Franken |
|
|
|
Mahaad_Mana
New Member
29 Posts |
Posted - 09/17/2003 : 23:56:37 [Permalink]
|
Someone said before:
quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Well where in the bible can you find God saying Homosexuality is ok??????
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The Bible says a lot of stupid things, like for instance forbidding us to wear clothes made of two fabrics. Look at the tags on your cloths now, do any of them mention more than one kind of fabric? If so, do you know that you are committing a sin that is just as terrible as being homosexual? Where in the Bible do you find it saying its ok to wear multi-fabric clothes???? That's why using a 2,000+ year old book written from a collection of a subset of stories from Hebrew tribes as a guide is ridiculous.
Answer: To fully understand something you should actually read the whole bible FIRST! Some of the things only APPLY to back thousands of years ago and others are just 'sayings' and 'metaphors' etc...... I am pointing people out who say 'God made me that way' unles you are agreeing to it.
HATE and FEAR are two very different things
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ignorance leads to fear, fear leads to hate, hate leads to the dark side.
ANSWER: But hate can also be caused by many other things not just ignorance. Like someone blamming you for something that you didn't do. Or someone who who always bullies you. And this kind of hate is hating something becasue it is wrong not cause i'm 'scared' of homosexuals.
The thing is your the ignorant one here don't think one-way.
Someone also said it also was an unchristian thing to HATE people.
Christians are not goody-goodies who love everyone. The bible doesn't say you have to love everyone but treat them with kindness no matter how much you hate them. That does not mean to let people who are going wrong things get away.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
It is proven that children raised with gay families have more physiological damange then children with both a father and mother. What's more study also reveals that many gay relationships are VERY short lived and gay people actually die way faster from unhealthy relationships. If homosexualities where allowed, think of all the dangerous diseases that would spread faster like HIV etc...., why do you think the gay population has the most deadly diseases compared to heterosexuals??
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
It is??? Is that a result of having 2 gay parents or a result of social stereotyping? LOL, this paragraph is so full of stupid shit, its quite amazing. You do realize that HIV/AIDS is a major killer in Africa and there it is predominately spread by heterosexual contact don't you?
Answer: Most likely originally made from gay-people and they contract diseases faster and since they sometimes have sex with heterosexuals then it is more spread more cause the population of heterosexuals to gay people are WAY-higher. Why in the past did gay people demand research for cure of HIV and Aids then?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Why would nature put in our genes something that would be racial suicidal?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Actually there is a good reason evolution put such a tendency in our genes, it is theoretical mind you, but there is no data to contradict it. Strangely enough its also the reason we may have grandmas and grandpas.
This all relates to the "r" vs. "K" reproductive strategies, some organisms produce tons of babies with little care, others produce fewer and fewer babies with more and more care. Our closest relatives are at the extreme end of the K reproductive strategy where they produce very few young, one per female every 5 years or so for example, and the mother during those 5 years is a full care-giver for that infant. In fact female apes do not go into estrus while they are caring for a young one. This increases the odds of the infant surviving however at the expense of lower reproductive rates.
So this sets up a question: For an extreme K reproductive strategy ape to increase its reproductive rate how can it do it and still invest the care needed for the infant?
1. Increase its social bonds with its other mates thus receiving more help so she along with the help others can care for multiple infants.
2. Members of the population who live past their reproductive prime, stop reproducing and thus become available for helping care for their grandchildren allowing the mothers to produce more young.
3. Certain members of the population do not reproduce and they help in the care of the young, these could be individuals not interested in sex or maybe individuals attracted to the same sex (thus fulfilling their psychological desires to socially bond but not reproducing).
There are probably several other reasons that can be considered, but #1 and #3 both can be said to be related to homosexuality. One way to increase one's bonds with its social mates is to give them affection, thus #1 could imply bisexual tendencies as seen in the Bonobo (pygmy chimps) while #3 could explain why evolution could maintain a small percentage of the population as homosexuals to help care for the young.
Also such activities could lead to greater social bonding all around and we see this in certain human societies where homosexual activity is normal and is used as a bonding process between males. There are several tribes in New Guinea that practice homosexual activity as the norm and they consider heterosexual activity to be so bad that they have to leave the village and do it in the jungle.
So your claims that homosexual activity cannot be natural and that homosexual activity IS a choice are unfounded and actually flies in the face of quite a bit of evidence to the contrary. Ignorance is not a virtue and leads to one looking foolish when they shoot their mouth off about something they know very little about.
----- 1. Increase its social bonds with its other mates thus receiving more help so she along with the help others can care for multiple infants.
2. Members of the population who live past their reproductive prime, stop reproducing and thus become available for helping care for their grandchildren allowing the mothers to produce more young.
3. Certain members of the population do not reproduce and they help in the care of the young, these could be individuals not interested in sex or maybe individuals attracted to the same sex (thus fulfilling their psychological desires to socially bond but not reproducing).--------------
ANSWER: Most of those are happening now and was for thousands of years already.
The reason we have grandmas and grandpas is cause they are the parents of our parents. That is how people are born.
1)Don't people of the same gender actually socially bond now, I think that's what we call friendship. Think about it! Unless your trying to say in the future that friendship with your own gender and love is going to be having sex with them. How come two male cats living together in the same house in peace don't have sex together.
Great, lets spread more diseases around the human race.
2)um..... isn't that what grandparents are? Not to mention friends? Baby-sitters even.
3)Gay couples are likely to be MORE violent then heterosexual couples. Children who have been raised in such situations, have said they where confused about their identity, have had a lot of violence or sexual violence in thier lives by their foster parents etc......... And who said that? See: http://w |
|
|
|
Mahaad_Mana
New Member
29 Posts |
Posted - 09/18/2003 : 01:09:14 [Permalink]
|
IN REPLY TO:
Actually there is a good reason evolution put such a tendency in our genes, it is theoretical mind you, but there is no data to contradict it. Strangely enough its also the reason we may have grandmas and grandpas. (etc.....)
ANSWER: There is also no data to prove it. If that was the case, how come nature didn't put it in our genes in the first place like legs and hands? If what you say is true, how come only humans can be gay? I don't see male dogs trying to mate with other male dogs or see them start trying. Besides your answer is just theory not a fact. It's like saying the sun revoles around the earth. Your proof doesn't make any sense either as mentioned in the last reply. Your strecthing your reply into fantasy. Cause it is racial sucidal to be gay and we already have support for looking after children from relatives, friends etc...... So what's the point of creating something that has already been created.
Having grandmas and grandpas IS NOT STRANGE. Think about it. I'm not going to give this a full answer unless you are really stupid.
|
|
|
|
Mahaad_Mana
New Member
29 Posts |
Posted - 09/18/2003 : 01:41:45 [Permalink]
|
IN reply to :
(etc....)
Also such activities could lead to greater social bonding all around and we see this in certain human societies where homosexual activity is normal and is used as a bonding process between males. There are several tribes in New Guinea that practice homosexual activity as the norm and they consider heterosexual activity to be so bad that they have to leave the village and do it in the jungle.
So your claims that homosexual activity cannot be natural and that homosexual activity IS a choice are unfounded and actually flies in the face of quite a bit of evidence to the contrary. Ignorance is not a virtue and leads to one looking foolish when they shoot their mouth off about something they know very little about.
ANSWER: That's almost saying since Musilums believe in their god Allah. He's real. The people IN that tribe actually choose to be homosexuals. So what if they made that decision years ago? It just means their descendents copied them. It's no wonder why they have a FAR shorter life span. Does an actual belief of anything still make it 'natural'? Can a cow turn into a dog once you believe it can? The point is, it's THEIR choice and it's still not natural and it's not genetic just because they do it.
And some tribes up there and in many places around the world still practice human scarifices, cannibalism, have sex with dead people and I suppose we should do that too. After all those practices are also very socially bonding too and I suppose it's also instinctive and genetic to do such practices. Your ignorance is not a virtue and leads to one looking foolish when they shoot their mouth off about something they know very little about. |
|
|
|
jmcginn
Skeptic Friend
343 Posts |
Posted - 09/18/2003 : 07:08:17 [Permalink]
|
quote:
Answer: To fully understand something you should actually read the whole bible FIRST!
With exception of a the genealogies that get quite boring with he begat he and he begat he, I have read the entire Bible and I would say I have most of it more than once.
quote:
Some of the things only APPLY to back thousands of years ago and others are just 'sayings' and 'metaphors' etc......
And allot of it is just stupid shit. By the way who decides what applied thousands of years ago and what applies today? You? How do we know that forbidding homosexuality was one of those things that only applied thousands of years ago? It always amazes me how hypocritical Christians can be with their own faith and how little they understand their own holy book.
quote:
I am pointing people out who say 'God made me that way' unles you are agreeing to it.
I would point them out too, since there is no God and what made them that way is most likely a combination of biological and environmental factors.
quote:
The bible doesn't say you have to love everyone but treat them with kindness no matter how much you hate them.
I don't give a rat's ass what the Bible says. As I said above, I have read it, most of it more than once, and I found some parts interesting, some parts disgusting, and allot of parts just plain stupid.
quote:
Most likely originally made from gay-people and they contract diseases faster and since they sometimes have sex with heterosexuals then it is more spread more cause the population of heterosexuals to gay people are WAY-higher.
I need to see some references to this claim.
quote:
Why in the past did gay people demand research for cure of HIV and Aids then?
Why do heterosexual Africans demand it today?
quote:
The reason we have grandmas and grandpas is cause they are the parents of our parents.
You obviously missed the entire point of the discussion then. Maybe I should have said living grandparents.
This has to do with evolving life histories including life spans and humans have on average one of the longest life spans after sexual reproductive ages. The theoretical reason for this is because it allows older grandparents to help care for more and more K reproductive strategy young thus allowing the mothers to care for more than one child at a time thus increasing the survivability of the population.
quote:
Don't people of the same gender actually socially bond now, I think that's what we call friendship. Think about it! Unless your trying to say in the future that friendship with your own gender and love is going to be having sex with them.
No, that's how it happens now in some ape and monkey populations and how it happens now in some human populations. Again I offer some indigenous tribes of New Guinea as an example where homosexuality is normal and all the men live together in a big Men's House from the age of 13 on, and at the age of 13 they take a male sexual partner.
quote:
How come two male cats living together in the same house in peace don't have sex together.
I don't know about cats, but what about dogs? I have watched my male dog latch on to just about any other male dog that comes around.
quote:
Gay couples are likely to be MORE violent then heterosexual couples.
Is it because they are gay is it because of the astronomical rates of abuse they themselves had been subjected to? Read the article. This is a logical fallacy of drawing conclusions between two unrelated data points when all of the variables are unknown.
quote:
And that thing you mentioned about the monkey. WHAT DOES ESTRUS GOT TO DO WITH THE TOPIC! Homosexuality and that example you gave are totally different things.
Sorry if you couldn't understand the background information I was giving, but its like this:
1. Apes spend so much time caring for their young that they can only have one young at a time.
2. This sets up slow population growth but potentially high infant survivability.
3. They don't go into estrus biologically because they can only care for one young at a time.
4. Humans on the other hand who evolved from apes go into estrus quite quickly after giving birth.
5. Do to social contracts we have established we can care for more young at a time.
6. This allows us the advantage of high infant survivability while also allowing us to grow at a faster rate.
7. One of those social contracts that allows us to do this might be homosexuality.
I hope those points illuminate you.
quote:
Excuse me, then how did I get onto this site and actually explain facts if I didn't go to school and wasn't taught things??????????
I have yet to see you explain any facts. I have seen you state an opinion on homosexuality, an opinion that flies in the face of the evidence that homosexuality is caused by a combination of biological and environmental factors as all complex behavioral traits are. You claim that it simply is a choice of the individual to do something that makes them feel good with no biological component. This is the ignorance I am speaking of.
quote:
There is also no data to prove it.
Science does deal with proving anything. I suggest that you read this to understand the basics of how science works:
http://www.carlton.paschools.pa.sk.ca/chemical/Proof/ |
|
|
 |
|
|
|
Topic Locked
