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I am always amused by people who insist that homosexuality is a choice. Of course, since they usually go on to condemn homosexuals as sinners, or whatever, they are pretty much locked into the choice argument. I believe there is some scientific research which indicates a possible neurochemical basis for sexual preference.
As for me, I doubt a straight person wakes up one day and says, "Gee, I think I'll be gay! I'll get to experience the hostility and fear of others, discrimination in the workplace and the possibility of actual physical assault by thugs who will look upon me as sub-human! Sounds like fun!" Even in our so-called enlightened age, there is still plenty of hostility towards gay people, and right-wing politicians and demogogues encourage it. I think any gay person has to be brave to take the risk of declaring his or her sexuality. Just my two cents...
Answer: People choose to be gay because they decided it feels 'good' to do it with their own gender. Since this is not natural, they are protesting to be accepted like homosexual people.
Quite incorrect for the reasons I have stated before. Homosexuality occurs naturally in lesser species as well. There are over 50 species which have homosexual activities naturally occuring. This tends to be when the species becomes overcrowded.
You have completely failed to prove how this activity is not natural. The activity occurring in other species refute your position that it is not natural.
In addition, the Bible only condemns homosexuality as a sin in Leviticus, a book which has been considered superceded by the New Covenant. Therefore, God did make homosexuals that way in harmony with your holy book. |
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Mahaad_Mana
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Posted - 09/18/2003 : 15:38:40 [Permalink]
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Some of the things only APPLY to back thousands of years ago and others are just 'sayings' and 'metaphors' etc......
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And allot of it is just stupid shit. By the way who decides what applied thousands of years ago and what applies today? You? How do we know that forbidding homosexuality was one of those things that only applied thousands of years ago? It always amazes me how hypocritical Christians can be with their own faith and how little they understand their own holy book.
ANSWER: We cause your not Christian how can you understand. I said only CERTAIN THINGS! ANd homosexuality is NOT one of them. |
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 09/18/2003 : 17:22:26 [Permalink]
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-Might have spelling errors-
Your spelling is just fine. But you definitely need to format your quotes better. I will answer your posts when I have the time to decode them...
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Mahaad_Mana
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Posted - 09/18/2003 : 18:35:39 [Permalink]
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In addition, the Bible only condemns homosexuality as a sin in Leviticus, a book which has been considered superceded by the New Covenant. Therefore, God did make homosexuals that way in harmony with your holy book.
ANSWER: (Christian point of view) Only some verses don't apply for today. Just cause it doesn't mention anyhting about homosexuality in the new testament doesn't make it right. Why did Jesus bother saying stoning people to death for crimes was wrong and that 'the eye for an eye and tooth or a tooth was wrong' in the old testiment and not mention homosexuality was going to be acceptable?
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I don't give a rat's ass what the Bible says. As I said above, I have read it, most of it more than once, and I found some parts interesting, some parts disgusting, and a lot of parts just plain stupid.
ANSWER: You said or someone else said it was unchristan to hate people. So I was explaning why. Besides i'm not really Christain althrough I want to be. Why you hate/dislike Christains I have no idea and believing in God cannot be either wrong/right. Just cause you haven't seen something doesn't mean it can't exist. If you believe they're just bunch of geeks that your problem.
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Quite incorrect for the reasons I have stated before. Homosexuality occurs naturally in lesser species as well. There are over 50 species which have homosexual activities naturally occuring. This tends to be when the species becomes overcrowded.
You have completely failed to prove how this activity is not natural. The activity occurring in other species refute your position that it is not natural.
ANSWER: The point of a living spieces is to REPRODUCE meaning to make more of themselves. So you are saying homosexuality happens so we can kill off our speices. I have to admit I looked up a few sites and animals do do that. But I am not right or wrong-They do it for pleasure only but they are not completely homosexual because they are bisexual. (You cannot just trust one site) True homosexuality is when you have attention only to your own gender and that has never been recorded in animals. How about beastility? Would you consider people having sex with dogs normal. In many recorded cases animals actually enjoy it too. If everything we do is about pleasure then how about allowing prostitution?
I have learnt some things here, I will not say i'm wrong about homosexuality but i'm not right either. But I will still dislike it since it worsens a person health factor and they are prone of deases more easily and can endanger many people. See: http://www.theologyonline.com/vbulletin/printthread.php?threadid=8733
I can accept what you say that 'gay is not right or wrong' IF you don't believe there is no such things as morals because animals do not have morals. If you say it is right then do you consider beastility right? Or even, all humans should be treated equally? Because they are human morals.
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Most likely originally made from gay-people and they contract diseases faster and since they sometimes have sex with heterosexuals then it is more spread more cause the population of heterosexuals to gay people are WAY-higher.
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I need to see some references to this claim.
ANSWER: http://www.hbns.org/newsrelease/hetero4-20-01.cfm And you don't need proof that that heterosexuals to homosexuals are WAY higher!
"By contrast, before 1993, the majority of heterosexuals with HIV had partners with at least one primary risk factor for HIV, such as male-to-male sexual contact, injection drug use or receipt of HIV-contaminated blood, according to the study." from the site.
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Why in the past did gay people demand research for cure of HIV and Aids then?
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Why do heterosexual Africans demand it today?
ANSWER: Since HIV also spreads to Heterosexuals since some people are bisexuals, infection contact etc...... You mentioned 'today' which as I said before the heterosexual population is WAY higher! Now that they are infected from the homosexuals they want a cure!
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The reason we have grandmas and grandpas is cause they are the parents of our parents.
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You obviously missed the entire point of the discussion then. Maybe I should have said living grandparents.
This has to do with evolving life histories including life spans and humans have on average one of the longest life spans after sexual reproductive ages. The theoretical reason for this is because it allows older grandparents to help care for more and more K reproductive strategy young thus allowing the mothers to care for more than one child at a time thus increasing the survivability of the population.
Answer: That's theoretical. Why do we now have a longer life span than our ancestors? Cause we have improved health conditions over the years and technology. The average life span of ancient egyptians was only 30-40 years so they married young before they would grow old and die. Naturally if you lived longer you would want to ensure your descendents's survival and help look after them. Anything can live for a long time as long as they are healthy. Why do animals in captivity live longer than the wild past their own average reproductive years? It'll be interesting so see how may of us will still alive if we were still back in the stone-age.
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And that thing you mentioned about the monkey. WHAT DOES ESTRUS GOT TO DO WITH THE TOPIC! Homosexuality and that example you gave are totally different things.
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Sorry if you couldn't understand the background information I was giving, but its like this:
1. Apes spend so much time caring for their young that they can only have one young at a time.
2. This sets up slow population growth but potentially high infant survivability.
3. They don't go into estrus biologically because they can only care for one young at a time.
4. Humans on the other hand who evolved from apes go into estrus quite quickly after giving birth.
5. Do to social contracts we have established we can care for more young at a time.
6. This allows us the advantage of high infant survivability while also allowing us to grow at a faster rate.
7. One of those social contracts that allows us to do this might be homosexuality.
ANSWER: Might be? Yeah, if the whole population doesn't get infected with diseases and die off first and we surive the increase Aids and Hiv crisis. When homosexual men have sex what's so good about putting your 'thing' into a 'hole of shit'. Cause that's the only place it can go with them. Heterosexuals do that too I know but that's just as digusting. Read: http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/957197/posts
"HIV infections surged 7.1% last year among men who have sex with men. Infections have risen 17.7% since 1999." -Article
Remember still that the heterosexual population is higher so don't say it spreads faster with them as well.
If that was allowed then think of all the people who would die.
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Mahaad_Mana
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Posted - 09/18/2003 : 18:49:47 [Permalink]
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To warp it up:
I admit I was wrong in some things and now i'm going to argue with my social studies teacher and say some animals are bisexual cause he was the one who said animals can be gay. I may have contradicted some of the stuff I said before in the last article because I wrote them all at different times. (See you learn something new second) So don't go screaming about that to me as well.
Maybe animals also do it too but you fail to mention that they masturbate with objects as well. Which is obvious they do it for pleasure cause doing it with the same gendered sex-bring them pleasure. It even says in the article you gave:
"Sexual pleasure is "inherently valuable" and requires no further 'justification.'
So it is a choice because unlike animals humans can reason and chose.
"Animals do all kinds of things that we frown on for ourselves."
Yes they do. I would also like to point out. They sometimes eat themselves (cannibalism), rape, kill, even have a feudal system where the top animal gets it all. But I don't see people protesting to allow these 'natural' things happen for humans in fact they go against it when animals do it all the time. People get angry when someone rapes somebody and when animals do that to each other humans don't give a dam.
The only thing I am now really against homosexuality now is sex between two same gendered people cause it is still dangerous and can cause infections and diseases faster and like I said before endangers people and creates more health problems in the population. |
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Mahaad_Mana
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Posted - 09/18/2003 : 19:02:42 [Permalink]
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Is it because they are gay is it because of the astronomical rates of abuse they themselves had been subjected to? Read the article. This is a logical fallacy of drawing conclusions between two unrelated data points when all of the variables are unknown.
Answer: Your right. But there are also many people who have had been exposed to many abuse and violence in their lives and yet they grow up perfectly fine like non-abused people. It's all got to do with the mind and how you react to a situation. I can accept places like Africa or India. But some really civilized country most of the times it is their own choice and they have schooling and education. Another thing, I thought homosexuals would usually sign up to some support group? And they help them go through 'ruff' times. Since they are not rare as people might think and are everywhere. It's like a bully in kindgarten, he doesn't have to bully other people but he does since it's fun. |
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Mahaad_Mana
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Posted - 09/18/2003 : 19:04:51 [Permalink]
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To warp it up: Edited?
I admit I was wrong in some things and now i'm going to argue with my social studies teacher and say some animals are bisexual cause he was the one who said animals CANNOT (Spelling mistake in the other one) be gay. I may have contradicted some of the stuff I said before in the last article because I wrote them all at different times. (See you learn something new second) So don't go screaming about that to me as well.
Maybe animals also do it too but you fail to mention that they masturbate with objects as well. Which is obvious they do it for pleasure cause doing it with the same gendered sex-bring them pleasure. It even says in the article you gave:
"Sexual pleasure is "inherently valuable" and requires no further 'justification.'
So it is a choice because unlike animals humans can reason and chose.
"Animals do all kinds of things that we frown on for ourselves."
Yes they do. I would also like to point out. They sometimes eat themselves (cannibalism), rape, kill, even have a feudal system where the top animal gets it all. But I don't see people protesting to allow these 'natural' things happen for humans in fact they go against it when animals do it all the time. People get angry when someone rapes somebody and when animals do that to each other humans don't give a dam.
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Posted - 09/18/2003 : 19:30:18 [Permalink]
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The only thing I am now really against homosexuality now is sex between two same gendered people cause it is still dangerous and can cause infections and diseases faster and like I said before endangers people and creates more health problems in the population.
Sex between women is far less likely to transmit disease than sex between men or even heterosexual sex. (Less penetration is involved.)
In Africa, HIV transmission is mostly heterosexual. I read several articles about this in Scientific American a few years back, but I don't know if you all care for the (kinda) grotty details.
It can be simplified to two factors - higher promiscuity and rougher sex both contribute to higher transmission rates of HIV. In some places these may be more prevalent in the gay population, and in others thay can be more prevalent amongst the straight.
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Mahaad_Mana
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Posted - 09/18/2003 : 20:37:46 [Permalink]
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http://www.new-life.net/hmsxl01.htm
Just go to this site and actually read it not juat part of it. Some of it is Christian stuff but the first part it not and that is what i'm, refering to.
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The only thing I am now really against homosexuality now is sex between two same gendered people cause it is still dangerous and can cause infections and diseases faster and like I said before endangers people and creates more health problems in the population.
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Sex between women is far less likely to transmit disease than sex between men or even heterosexual sex. (Less penetration is involved.)
In Africa, HIV transmission is mostly heterosexual. I read several articles about this in Scientific American a few years back, but I don't know if you all care for the (kinda) grotty details.
It can be simplified to two factors - higher promiscuity and rougher sex both contribute to higher transmission rates of HIV. In some places these may be more prevalent in the gay population, and in others thay can be more prevalent amongst the straight.
- TW
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 09/18/2003 : 21:53:12 [Permalink]
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Acutally homosexuality is a CHOICE! It's like getting tempted, 'Should I steal this chocolate or won't I?' I thought I was homosexual once and when I chose to disregard those feelings it dissappeared. Homosexuals are just sick minded people who should learn to control it.
 You just said that you are a sick minded person.
You would not be thinking you are homosexual unless you find yourself having same-sex attraction. And if you have, you'd be at least bi-sexual.
On the more serious side: I feel sad that people have your attitude.
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 09/18/2003 : 23:28:27 [Permalink]
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Someone said before:
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Well where in the bible can you find God saying Homosexuality is ok??????
The Bible says a lot of stupid things, like for instance forbidding us to wear clothes made of two fabrics. Look at the tags on your cloths now, do any of them mention more than one kind of fabric? If so, do you know that you are committing a sin that is just as terrible as being homosexual? Where in the Bible do you find it saying its ok to wear multi-fabric clothes???? That's why using a 2,000+ year old book written from a collection of a subset of stories from Hebrew tribes as a guide is ridiculous.
Answer: To fully understand something you should actually read the whole bible FIRST!
Have you done that? Read the whole bible?
Then surely you must have seen there are a lot of inconsistencies in there... Otherwise you haven't paid attention.
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Some of the things only APPLY to back thousands of years ago and others are just 'sayings' and 'metaphors' etc...... I am pointing people out who say 'God made me that way' unles you are agreeing to it.
*decoding error* Could you please rephrase?
The Bible does mix some historical facts, some deep insight into the human mind (and the human condition), and some myths and legends.
While it's true that societies and nations have prospered thanks to the norms described in the bible, but the bible is not the only document that has.
The eastern culture (China, Mongolia and other civilizations in that area) prospered long before the hebrew tribes, and christianity. The same goes for Egypt. Documents from those cultures also contains absurdities, like the world being a disc resting on the back of elephants... (standing on a turtle that is swimming through the void... Great Atuin be blessed)
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Ignorance leads to fear, fear leads to hate, hate leads to the dark side.
ANSWER: But hate can also be caused by many other things not just ignorance. Like someone blamming you for something that you didn't do. Or someone who who always bullies you. And this kind of hate is hating something becasue it is wrong not cause i'm 'scared' of homosexuals.
The thing is your the ignorant one here don't think one-way.
Someone also said it also was an unchristian thing to HATE people.
Christians are not goody-goodies who love everyone. The bible doesn't say you have to love everyone but treat them with kindness no matter how much you hate them. That does not mean to let people who are going wrong things get away.
Looks like we have made a full circle...
You said: "Homosexuals are just sick minded people who should learn to control it."
Then you say: "...treat them with kindness..."
By these two quotes I can deduce that you are not christian, because if you were, you wouldn't call them sick minded. There are homosexual people all around you (even here on Skeptic Friends), you just don't know who they are. You don't know how many around you are gay, and no one will probably tell you, because of your prejudice, because they don't like you being judgemental.
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1)Don't people of the same gender actually socially bond now, I think that's what we call friendship. Think about it! Unless your trying to say in the future that friendship with your own gender and love is going to be having sex with them. How come two male cats living together in the same house in peace don't have sex together.
This paragraph says alot about you as a person. For one thing, you haven't experienced True Love. There are several levels of social bonding, and you seem incapable of distinguishing between them.
I have shared my home with people of the same sex for an extended period of time, without feeling attaction to them. So what?
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And that thing you mentioned about the monkey. WHAT DOES ESTRUS GOT TO DO WITH THE TOPIC! Homosexuality and that example you gave are totally different things.
The light is on, but there's nobody home.
I fear there is no point in trying to explain the relevance, because it will be ignored.
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You say i'm ignornat and uneducated. Excuse me, then how did I get onto this site and actually explain facts if I didn't go to school and wasn't taught things??????????
You don't have to be uneducated to be ignorant. As far as your "facts" go, they are in doubt. What you percieve as truth is really in the eye of the beholder. You have chosen a point of view that is very limited when you spit out such things as gay people are sick minded. You are set in your way, and try to tell other people they should deny who they are.
What school do you go to anyway, where they teach you to be intolerant to people?
What kind of science do they teach?
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 09/18/2003 : 23:43:35 [Permalink]
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That's almost saying since Musilums believe in their god Allah. He's real.
I'm not sure what your point is here, I just wanted to point out that the Islamic God Allah is the same god that Jews and Christians worship. The difference is just the way of practicing their faith.
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And some tribes up there and in many places around the world still practice human scarifices, cannibalism, have sex with dead people and I suppose we should do that too. After all those practices are also very socially bonding too and I suppose it's also instinctive and genetic to do such practices. Your ignorance is not a virtue and leads to one looking foolish when they shoot their mouth off about something they know very little about.
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 09/19/2003 : 00:12:29 [Permalink]
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And allot of it is just stupid shit. By the way who decides what applied thousands of years ago and what applies today? You? How do we know that forbidding homosexuality was one of those things that only applied thousands of years ago? It always amazes me how hypocritical Christians can be with their own faith and how little they understand their own holy book.
ANSWER: We cause your not Christian how can you understand. I said only CERTAIN THINGS! ANd homosexuality is NOT one of them.
You're dodging the questions...
1) Who decides what applied thousands of years ago and what applies today?
2) How do we know that forbidding homosexuality was one of those things that only applied thousands of years ago?
I considered myself born again christian for about 10 years when I frequented the Pentecostal church in my home town.
So don't come here being condecending, and state such things like 'we couldn't possible understand because we're not christian'. You know Jack Shit about us.
While going to church, I was taught that people may have romantic feelings toward the same sex. And that it was ok as long as you don't sexually act upon those feelings. I was never taught it was any kind of sickness of the mind.
I have come to realize what a big mistake it was, believing in god. But at the time I joined the church it offered me stability and comfort much needed. And that is the classic gateway into being brainwashed. I still suffer from the after effects of the Pentecostal indoctrination, however, I'm slowly getting better.
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Mahaad_Mana
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Posted - 09/19/2003 : 00:20:34 [Permalink]
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You just said that you are a sick minded person.
You would not be thinking you are homosexual unless you find yourself having same-sex attraction. And if you have, you'd be at least bi-sexual.
On the more serious side: I feel sad that people have your attitude.
ANSWER: No I am not sick. I am not bisexual. I was only 8 years old at the time so  . And guess what? It is a choice cause apart from that time I was never attracted from someone of the same sex. And guess what? I'm only 14 now (and i'm not childish) and the only reason i'm on this site is cause it's the holidays and I like surfing the internet. Say what you want it doesn't change the truth. And guess what? I now don't gave a dam about homosexuals now, it's their choice not mine. My cousin said you can't change someone's mind and the way they think.
And on the serious side: Your just a loser Dr. Mabuse.
And on the other serious side: Hard-out support Homosexuals who HATE Christians are just as bad as hard-out anti homosexuals. What's wrong with people beliving in God? I don't see any prejudices against any other religion. Just because you can't see something doesn't mean it can't exist. I personally as mentioned before I am not Christian. I believe God exist but do not completely follow him. Some people who claim to be Christains are in fact not.
Over all I still don't like homosexuality, it's like smoking and it is really bad for your health and you can't change my mind. Go to http://www.new-life.net/hmsxl01.htm for the reasons and read the top part cause that's from a non-christain point of view if you hate them so much. And don't scream at me about homosexuality anymore and that site is wrong cause it's Christian bah,bah,bah.
And may I point out to that site http://www.new-life.net/hmsxl01.htm where it says animals can be gay. I admit I said before animals don't do it and I am wrong about that part but just because some gay animals do it still doesn't mean it's normal.
Yes, two male geese are obviously stronger and far more prepared than a female and male couple to defend chicks. Males are physically stronger than females. Well duh! But emotionally it would be better for the chicks to be raised by a straight couple so it can inprint on both parents instead of just homosexual animals which would be like one. eg. couple raising animals: Humans! This discludes single raising animal parents.
Part of reproducing is to ensure part of yourself 'lives' forever.
Someone also said homosexuals are in animals that over-populated. Maybe that's why a 'food chain' exist and animals have 'limited' numbers of young and can only reproduce 'certain times of the year' so they can look after them which prevents that from happening.
Someone also said homosexuals are there to help provide look after young. Look above. Food chain etc.........
Sex was originally designed for reproduction. If animals where to reproduce they would have to enjoy doing it-to make them want to. And homosexuality is just one way of filling their desire since some people feel more 'enlightened' by their opposite gender. Some animals also mastubate with objects eg.monkey's getting bundles of leaves and yeah. If homosexuality is natural, how come they can't reproduce? What would be the point of having 2 genders.
I'm not going to say it's wrong and you should stop doing it. Cause it aren't wrong but it's not right either in the end. It's like this: Animals rape each other. When a human rapes another human do we consider this right? But if any of you say Heterosexuality is wrong then whole entire race would 'naturally' die out.
So in return: I won't bother posting again since I think I have expressed enough about it, unless I am provoked. Disagree with me, that's your problem since I also disagree with you in many things.
And I now don't care about homosexuality/bisexuality cause that's just your life, keep it out of my life then i'll keep out of yours. (What I mean is don't send messages saying, 'oh look you said something wrong! It can't be right! etc...... or I'm only 14 and too young to understand.............or just an ignorant person........
Talking with you people have been a good experience. If you are going to post anything saying i'm wrong and stupid then go to:
http://www.couplescompany.com/Features/Politics/Gay.htm
And read the 'Why parents are concerned.' section. That would be what I think of you.
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Mahaad_Mana
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Posted - 09/19/2003 : 02:08:10 [Permalink]
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[quoteAnd allot of it is just stupid shit. By the way who decides what applied thousands of years ago and what applies today? You? How do we know that forbidding homosexuality was one of those things that only applied thousands of years ago? It always amazes me how hypocritical Christians can be with their own faith and how little they understand their own holy book.
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ANSWER: We cause your not Christian how can you understand. I said only CERTAIN THINGS! ANd homosexuality is NOT one of them.
[/quote]You're dodging the questions...
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1) Who decides what applied thousands of years ago and what applies today?
2) How do we know that forbidding homosexuality was one of those things that only applied thousands of years ago?
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1) Why the large majority of Protestant church does.
2) You or someone said the old testiment doesn't exsits. So here are some verses from the new testiment besies the old testiment:
http://www.geocities.com/johndavidmueller/Homosexuality.htm
Man, Dr. Mabuse your a phyico.
=A true Christain is someone who practices + believes and does 100% of what God say in the bible. I do not call myself Christian because it would give true christains a bad name since I still do many things that are unchristian, which I am fully aware of is sinning and do not regert it. eg. gossip, lying, stealing
=You say you are not Christain which must mean you do not understand.
As I already said I believe in God except find it hard to do as he says. So what if I believe that God exist. It's got nothing to do with you.
That's your problem and I can go on ranting how your belief in Homosexuals is bad but I decided before not to cause it kept going to circles and I just realised it is wrong to force your own belief on other people.
So stop bible-bashing Christians just because of their belief. Without Christains this whole would would still be a like a rock-hole. Back in the middle ages the Protestants protested against the catholic chruch saying that all people should have rights and started the modern democracy system which later went to Amercia and the world. Without them you wouldn't even have any rights today.
http://www.hoocher.com/mr.j'spage/thegrowthofdemocracy.htm
And many orginisations are made by Christains to help the poor. eg. Salvation army and many more. They are doing it for the good of the world. And I also acknowledge there are also many other kind people out there too who do that which are not Christian. Why should I respect your belief about homosexuality if you do not respect my beliefs in God?
Besides you don't have any proof God doesn't exsit and he is just a 'fairy-tale'.
http://righteouswarriors.com/questions/questions7.html
But of course, I cannot make you believe those facts and you are own your own to decided.
"The atheist cannot even be 100 percent certain of his belief, "There is no God."
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