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Dr. Mabuse
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 Posted - 09/20/2003 : 14:52:42 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Mahaad_Mana
No I am not sick. I am not bisexual. I was only 8 years old at the time so  . And guess what? It is a choice cause apart from that time I was never attracted from someone of the same sex. And guess what? I'm only 14 now
I'm both surprised and not. I explains the lack of life experience evident in your postings.
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Say what you want it doesn't change the truth.
And which of the truths are we talking about? The Truth is in the eye of the beholder. And in the eyes of mathematicians.
The truth is an opinion you have based on what you believe is the fact. However, in several cases I and a few other disagree with the validity of the findings that you quote and link to.
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And guess what? I now don't gave a dam about homosexuals now, it's their choice not mine. My cousin said you can't change someone's mind and the way they think.
Your cousin is wrong about that. But it's not easy. It takes time and effort. And it depends strongly on how willing the subject is for change.
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And on the serious side: Your just a loser Dr. Mabuse.
Eh, what game are we playing? What are the criteria for winning. If you tell me, I'll try again... I'm sure I can win if you tell me the rules..
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And on the other serious side: Hard-out support Homosexuals who HATE Christians are just as bad as hard-out anti homosexuals.
Thank God I'm not one of THOSE...quote:
What's wrong with people beliving in God? I don't see any prejudices against any other religion. Just because you can't see something doesn't mean it can't exist. I personally as mentioned before I am not Christian. I believe God exist but do not completely follow him. Some people who claim to be Christains are in fact not.
Ah, but you DO have a christian upbringing. Otherwise you would't have said "not completely following Him." Don't get me wrong...
I'll say (like many christians say about homosexuality) it's not you, the person I dislike, it's your oppinion that troubles me.
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Go to http://www.new-life.net/hmsxl01.htm for the reasons and read the top part cause that's from a non-christain point of view if you hate them so much. And don't scream at me about homosexuality anymore and that site is wrong cause it's Christian bah,bah,bah.
You really are naive if you think that a christian site contains anything but propaganda, or material promoting their cause. They may claim obectivity, but it's just window-dressing.
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And may I point out to that site http://www.new-life.net/hmsxl01.htm where it says animals can be gay.
I'm not surprised, since the evidense for it is undisputable. They would loose credibility if they said otherwise.
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Yes, two male geese are obviously stronger and far more prepared than a female and male couple to defend chicks. Males are physically stronger than females. Well duh! But emotionally it would be better for the chicks to be raised by a straight couple so it can inprint on both parents instead of just homosexual animals which would be like one. eg. couple raising animals: Humans! This discludes single raising animal parents.
In that case, you should be against single mothers raising their children on their own, too.quote:
And I now don't care about homosexuality/bisexuality cause that's just your life, keep it out of my life then i'll keep out of yours.
I'm glad you have come to that conclusion. It's a huge step in the right direction, compared to where you came from...
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 09/20/2003 : 15:41:04 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Mahaad_Mana
1) Why the large majority of Protestant church does.
...and before the protestant church existed, the majority of the Catholic church decided what doctrine (or dogma) was the true will of God. Back then, they burned people at the stake for suggesting that Earth was not flat, or that there are planets circling other stars, or that the Earth is not the center of the universe. Time and time again has proved that dogma derived from the Bible has been wrong, and even immoral.
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2) You or someone said the old testiment doesn't exsits. So here are some verses from the new testiment besies the old testiment:
http://www.geocities.com/johndavidmueller/Homosexuality.htm
Jesus said "I'm here to bring the New Covenant" <--- paraphrased.
That means the old laws, of the Old Testament are superceded..
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Man, Dr. Mabuse your a phyico.
I'm sorry, but I dont know what a "phyico" is. Nor can I find it in any dictionary I have.
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So stop bible-bashing Christians just because of their belief.
I find it amusing... Nothing stopped you from starting to rant about homosexuals. What's the difference? I'm not the one claiming high moral ground. I feel that way too many christians spout out statements that implies they are oh-so-holier-than-thou. As long as they keep preaching, I feel it's appropriate to kick the pedestal from under them.
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Without Christains this whole would would still be a like a rock-hole. Back in the middle ages the Protestants protested against the catholic chruch saying that all people should have rights and started the modern democracy system which later went to Amercia and the world. Without them you wouldn't even have any rights today.
This paragraph is so full of errors, I would not be surprised if you flunked in history. You're in dire need of good history teacher.
The catholic church is responsible for the dark ages. We lost between 500 and 1000 years of scientiffic progress because of it.
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And many orginisations are made by Christains to help the poor. eg. Salvation army and many more.
Such as the Red Cross...?
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They are doing it for the good of the world. And I also acknowledge there are also many other kind people out there too who do that which are not Christian. Why should I respect your belief about homosexuality if you do not respect my beliefs in God?
Why indeed? If you don't believe I respect your belief in god, maybe it's because you don't seem to respect homosexuals, by stating it's a choice-not-anything-else?
Can't you see it's a vicious circle?
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Besides you don't have any proof God doesn't exsit and he is just a 'fairy-tale'.
You can not prove that Invisible Pink Unicorns doesn't exist. But I tell you, they are all around us.
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 09/20/2003 : 16:33:12 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Wolf_CanisLupus
So those what you call 'bible-bashing' people are just trying to silence the voice of those people. To promote themselves.
I can't speak for others, but I'm not trying to promote myself. I'm trying to promote free thought. I have yet to hear a preacher say "don't take my word for it. Think for yourself and explore other sources of information."
And I'm not thinking of traditionalvalues.org or realwomenca.com
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Children need to emotionally experince the diversity of the two genders and influences.
You know, I actually agree on that.
Gay couples with children have a greater responsibility to make sure their children have experience of both genders.
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If homosexual parents was more effective why did nature create a large majority of straight parents in humans in the first place? You can't tell me, we're 'evolving' cause the way we socialize now is no different then from years before.
Our culture is evolving faster than our biology, so it's hard to draw any immediate conclusions. Gay people have existed throughout our recorded history.
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I can go on ranting for days about this. But I'm sorry you homosexuals can stop putting up charades that you are 'born gay.'
Since I'm not homosexual, I can only refer to personal testimony to the contrary. If you are so set in your belief that it really is a choice, why do you think they subject themselves to so much hate and intolerance?
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The authors of this study carefully quote a number of homosexual researchers who have worked for years to locate a "gay gene" or some other genetic basis for homosexuality. They have failed and are now admitting that such evidence may never be found.
Just because they admit such evidence may never be found does not conclusively prove it does not exist. Just that they have failed in locating it thus far.
I've already said I don't believe there is a single gay-gene, and that it might be several genes in combination with environment.
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I know those sites all come from the sameone but at least someone exposed the fraudry of it all. So I'm sorry all and all, it means animals are also not born gay and that 'born gay' is not natural and is also a pathetic excuse to cover up your homosexual acts.
You are drawing conclusions not supported by the quotes you posted.
You are misrepresenting Dean Hamer.quote:
I suppose cannibalist and rapist should also have their own platform saying it's perfectlly normal to 'justify their acts.' Animals also do it too, it's natural................................
This is just such a stupid statement, I'm amazed you even sunk as low as that. What's next?
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Posted - 09/20/2003 : 16:49:01 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Wolf_CanisLupus
You people just do not accept the facts that you have 'lied' on your satistics to promote your 'self-esteem.'
You've used the word 'satistic' several times now. I've been looking for it in my dictionary but can't find it. It should be between "satisfy" and "satori", but it isn't. Is it a freudian slip, the mix of statistics and satanic?
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Besides it's pretty cruel of you people to say to a 14-year-old girl and encourage her as a bisexual/lesbian due to some random feeling when she was 8.
How do you know it's a girl?
I don't recall Mahaad_Mana saying anything of the sorts.
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Posted - 09/20/2003 : 17:06:41 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by lambchop
It looks to me like the posts by C-88 and our two newest fundy troll-wannabees have some things like persistent misspellings, confusion of the possessive with the contracted verb form and similar grammatical issues in common.
As the GREATEST SOCK PUPPET IN HISTORY, I think I smell others of my species.
Of course, it could be that they all go to the same (very bad) school...
My personal observation is that Americans in general have that affliction, so based on that alone, it's a premature conclusion.
An examination of originating IP is not conclusive, since we might be talking to family members. But even family would explain the conforming views of the posters. |
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 09/21/2003 : 02:54:24 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Mahaad_Mana
http://traditionalvalues.org/urban/ Still a good site and I stand by that and many more.
Cited from the link above:This persistent urban legend has been perpetuated not only by homosexual activist groups but by prestigious organizations like the American Psychological Association and the American Psychiatric Association.
What organization has more merit regarding homosexuality,
APA & APA above, or a christian/political organization?
Members of both APA work on a daily basis with, or exploring, every facet of the human mind, while Traditional Values Coalition's agenda is pushing Biblical dogma as politics.
What was written 2000 years ago made sense 2000 years ago. Modern science, including psychology and psychiatrics has rendered the Bible obsolete in most areas. |
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Posted - 09/22/2003 : 07:02:42 [Permalink]
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Wolf CanisLupis said:
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I know animals can also be homosexuals but does it mean it is still natural?
I have to go back and reply to this statement, it is so absurd that I don't think it even registered when I first read his post.
If an animal's behavior is not "natural" then what in the freaking hell is? First the terms "is natural" or "is not natural" have to be some of the most abused phrases in modern times. "If its natural its good, if its not, its bad" kind of crap. Beyond that we have to define what is natural and what is not, and it appears for Wolf CanisLupis, if he doesn't agree with it, then its not natural. What an asinine statement.
Then he goes on to say this amazing statement:
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I know there are MORE than two genders. But I am referring to HUMANS. I have never met a human being before, humans do NOT have multiple genders.
First there are some organisms with multiple genders or even ones that change genders depending on the circumstances, but that aside humans generally and maybe always have only one gender (per individual), however there are more than 2 genders they can be. Society just happens to try to pigeon hole all genders into 2 sexes, whether they are cramming a square block into a round hole is of little consequence to society but of major life destroying consequences to those we cram.
I don't mind people who are ignorant of certain subjects, we all are ignorant of the majority of subjects.
I don't mind people forming an opinion, we all do it, that's how we get by from day to day.
I do however mind people forming an opinion based on ignorance then claiming it is the absolute Truth.
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Posted - 09/22/2003 : 09:34:58 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Wolf_CanisLupus
Maahad_Mana-don't let homosexuals fool you into believing they are right cause that's what they are trying to do with younger generations today.
Like you have said before. The reason for two genders is to reproduce provided with many logical examples, the return ones those homosexuals gave you are just theories and the 'facts' to support them are pretty crap and are exaggerated. They say in the African population of heterosexuals with HIV spread faster then homosexuals. Here, they are just ignoring the fact that the population of heterosexuals are 'way' as you mentioned higher than homosexuals and homosexuals are more 'easily prone to such diseases.' This has been proven with the sites you have already given and many more. They are ignoring the facts or are just changing them giving false information to 'justify' their acts. Many sites on satistics also do this to encourage homosexuals partly cause they are made by homosexuals. Dear
readers do not ask me for proof cause that is what they do.
http://www.traditionalvalues.org/urban/two.php -Check it out.
The most basic reason homosexuals attack religion especially Christainity is cause it's the most easiest to blame and they as you mentioned refused to say the good will of many Christains that have contributed in this world along with many other religions. In christianity I believe it says homosexual activities are wrong. So those what you call 'bible-bashing' people are just trying to silence the voice of those people. To promote themselves.
http://www.realwomenca.com/newsletter/2003_mar_apr/article_1.html
I know animals can also be homosexuals but does it mean it is still natural? What can be gained from homosexual activity? Nothing but pleasure. So it means that animals do it for pleasure. But wait? Don't heterosexuals do it for pleasure too? Yes, but that was nature's intention in the first place. For us to reproduce, we have to enjoy doing it and homosexuals are just people who have found other 'ways' to feed that desire. Like you stated from that site monkeys also get lots of leaves and 'yeah' do it with themselves. In other words IT IS NOT NATURAL and is only a mere 'substitute' for the pleasure. Besides only a TINY population of the animals actually do that in the wild and a dog's natural behaviour is so twisted by human interference-I once watched my friend's male dog munt him when he tripped over. The dog was doing it for pleasure. They basicly will latch onto anything a couch even to get pleasure.
Two males parents in any way is not a better guardianship for children nor is two females. Children need to
emotionally experince the diversity of the two genders and influences. If homosexual parents was more effective why did nature create a large majority of straight parents in humans in the first place? You can't tell me, we're 'evolving' cause the way we socialize now is no different then from years before.
They also blame heterosexuals for the violence that homosexuals cause obviously they want more rights than you and will always blame anything that gets in their way of trying to make homosexuality allowed. Like Christains, heterosexuals, homophobic.......
Homosexual Urban Legend is used by homosexuals to lobby for state and federal hate crime laws that provide enhanced penalties for crimes committed against homosexuals. These laws, in effect, make heterosexuals second class citizens under the law because they are not a protected class. A person who assaults a homosexual will receive a stiffer penalty than a person who assaults a heterosexual for the same crime.
Crime in the United States, 1997 (FBI crime statistics), for example, shows that so-called "hate crimes" constitute an extremely small percentage of overall crime. According to the FBI, in 1997:
Out of 20,000 murders, nine were considered hate crimes.
Out of every 20,000 rapes, 2 were hate crimes.
Out of every 20,000 aggravated assaults, 24 were hate crimes.
In fact, the majority of these few hate crimes are not violent at all, but are listed as "simple assault" or "intimidation." A person who "name calls" another person is considered to have committed a hate crime because his "victim" may feel "intimidated." Name calling should not be a federal crime, but it is under many hate crime laws.
In 1998, there were 16,914 murders committed. Of those, 13 were considered hate crimes. The victims were all men, as were their killers. FOUR OF THESE MURDERS WERE COMMITTED AGAINST HOMOSEXUALS. So out of 16,914 murders in 1998, only four were considered to be hate crimes directed against homosexuals. - From site http://www.traditionalvalues.org/urban/four.php
Another thing the high record teen suicide from homosexuality is nothing but a lie to be accepted and seen as normal people.
http://traditionalvalues.org/urban/five.php
I can go on ranting for days about this. But I'm sorry you homosexuals can stop putting up charades that you are 'born gay.'
The authors of this study carefully quote a number of homosexual researchers who have worked for years to locate a "gay gene" or some other genetic basis for homosexuality. They have failed and are now admitting that such evidence may never be found.
Homosexual researcher Dean Hamer, for example, attempted to link male homosexuality to a bit of DNA located at the tip of the X chromosome. He has written: "Homosexuality is not purely genetic…environmental factors play a role. There is not a single master gene that makes people gay. . . . I don't think we will ever be able to predict who will be gay."
http://traditionalvalues.org/urban/three.php
I know those sites all come from the sameone but at least someone exposed the fraudry of it all. So I'm sorry all and all, it means animals are also not born gay and that 'born gay' is not natural and is also a pathetic excuse to cover up your homosexual acts. Too many of your satistics have been proven wrong for people to trust you again.
I am not as you homosexuals say to anybody who say gay is wrong, ignorant or homophobic. All those stated above are true facts and not 'theories' to support my claim. Just accept the facts. I suppose cannibalist and rapist should also have their own platform saying it's perfectlly normal to 'justify their acts.' Animals also do it too, it's natural.................................
A few problems with your post.
1) Quite a few folks who defend homosexuals are not homosexuals themselves. I definately am not a homosexual.
2) Traditional Values Coalition is a church advocacy group, not a scientific group. It has a definate bias to advance it's own agenda.
3) Traditional Values erroneously links child predators with homosexuality. They also claim some sort of recruiting that is going on in schools. (How the religious right oftentimes call diversity training.)
4) Female to female STD transmissions are extremely rare and then in cases of another risk factor such as some forms of sexual fetishism like S&M. The reasons for higher Male to Male transmissions of STD's is due to the nature of their sexual act which has a high incidence of exposure to bodily fluids and open wounds. STD's obey the basic laws of bloodborne pathogens.
5) Your quotation shows an incomplete knowledge of genetics. Oftentimes, a series of genetic switches must be present as well as conditions to be just right inutero to cause a genetic sequence to activate.
6) Your source quotes the FBI but incompletely and only for 1998 inst |
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Posted - 09/22/2003 : 20:50:05 [Permalink]
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Seems to me you're damned if you're do and you're damned if you don't; as both an Anglican (Episcopalian in the States) and a homosexual I've heard just about all the arguments one can make. So why don't the Christians loosen up for heaven's sake and mind your own bloody business since it's up to God to judge me anyway; and all the others let up on the Christians because they're only misguided hate-mongers who'll do anything to force their beliefs onto others for the sake of salvation. I know because I am one 
We're all just a little too ignorent and a little too proud to accept that other people have their own beliefs, and that at the end of the day we all go home, have our families and friends, and are not that different from eachother.
Now I am perfectly aware that someone is going to respond negatively to my post, and how much do you want to bet that it's a Christian fundamentalist or some other Bible-bearing knit-wit who does it. For such supposedly joyful people we're certainly stuffed up the arsehole with hate and fear and intolerence of others.
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Posted - 09/23/2003 : 06:19:33 [Permalink]
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Well, someone had to respond negatively and I got tired of waiting for the other shoe to drop.
It's nitwit, not knit-wit.
My Bible says so, and I use the Merriam Webster version and not that effete OED version.
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Posted - 09/23/2003 : 09:51:35 [Permalink]
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Since this whole "gay is wrong" thread is extremely boring I don't care to comment on it but I would like to agree that it is 'nitwit' not 'knit-wit'. As I posted before it is a reference to a NIT which is a very small egg sag deposited in a humans hair by head lice.
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Posted - 09/23/2003 : 12:01:56 [Permalink]
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Fursur:
Since this whole "gay is wrong" thread is extremely boring I don't care to comment on it but I would like to agree that it is 'nitwit' not 'knit-wit'. As I posted before it is a reference to a NIT which is a very small egg sag deposited in a humans hair by head lice.
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Kil wrote:quote:
...I am deeply opposed to head lice...
You're a parasitiphobic jerkwad!!! What have lice ever done to y...
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