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PruplePanther
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
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 Posted - 12/20/2003 : 12:02:19 [Permalink]
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No. The man is a criminal. There is no excuse for supporting such opportunistic criminals.
Do I know more than all the people that think Jesus is sitting on their shoulder? Sure. Do I know more than people who think Jehovah is sending me to Hell? Sure. Do I think violating international law for your own political gain is something intelligent to support? No. What is the matter with that exactly? Christ on a bike! I don't have to be an expert in foreign policy or an expert in politics. Shit, I don't have to know much at all, and I don't know much at all, to figure that out.
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Of course, if the Bush supporter also happens to be a neo conservative, what problem do they have exactly? Seems to me, since half the country supports Bush, we are the one's with a problem. Are you suggesting that you are more expert in the area of politics than all Bush supporters?
I''m going to assume that in the context of this discussion, you are kidding...
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 12/20/2003 : 12:18:41 [Permalink]
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I plead guilty on that count and know I'm incompetent in that area.
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Originally posted by Gorgo
I appear to be incompetent.
http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/skepticism/blskep_flaw_unskilled.htm?terms=n545
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Originally posted by Gorgo
http://atheism.about.com/library/faqs/skepticism/blskep_flaw_unskilled.htm
Very very nice link Gorgo. There is no doubt that Americans are in general really really INCOMPETENT eaters. Dr. Mabuse thinks that our average meal is a Big Mack.  But maybe on average he's rite.  At last i begin to see y noone seems to care about food.  Cant even get a FOOD FORUM going. Cant even get FOOD mentioned as something important in so-called "Health Forum."  Nice link.
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
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Posted - 12/20/2003 : 13:02:41 [Permalink]
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Of course, if the Bush supporter also happens to be a neo conservative, what problem do they have exactly? Seems to me, since half the country supports Bush, we are the one's with a problem. Are you suggesting that you are more expert in the area of politics than all Bush supporters?
I''m going to assume that in the context of this discussion, you are kidding...
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Gorgo:
No. The man is a criminal. There is no excuse for supporting such opportunistic criminals.
Do I think violating international law for your own political gain is something intelligent to support? No. What is the matter with that exactly? Christ on a bike!
Nothing, as long as you understand that what your doing here is stating your opinion...
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Gorgo:
I don't have to be an expert in foreign policy or an expert in politics. Shit, I don't have to know much at all, and I don't know much at all, to figure that out.
Before you imply that all those who don't agree with you are necessarily stupid and wrong, even people who you admit might be more expert than you are in the area of politics, I suggest you go back and read the conclusions of the study you posted...
By the way, I happen to share your opinion of Bush. But I think that is irrelevant to this discussion.
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
5310 Posts |
Posted - 12/20/2003 : 18:07:06 [Permalink]
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Ah, you think that because I think people have reached stupid conclusions that I think they're stupid? Of course not. However, anyone that supports Bush at this time has made a stupid choice, and has a serious problem.
I mean, are you in simple "disagreement" with Neo-Nazis or do you think they're wrong and have made a stupid choice based on either mental deficiency or an incredibly wrong-headed world view? |
I know the rent is in arrears
The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
But it's alright-
Jerry Garcia
Robert Hunter
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
13477 Posts |
Posted - 12/20/2003 : 19:17:28 [Permalink]
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Gorgo:
Ah, you think that because I think people have reached stupid conclusions that I think they're stupid? Of course not. However, anyone that supports Bush at this time has made a stupid choice, and has a serious problem.
And of course, that is your opinion...
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I mean, are you in simple "disagreement" with Neo-Nazis or do you think they're wrong and have made a stupid choice based on either mental deficiency or an incredibly wrong-headed world view?
I beleive this to be a false analogy. Close, but no cigar... |
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 12/20/2003 : 19:29:03 [Permalink]
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Well, of course it's exaggerated. Most neo-Nazis are not criminals.
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I beleive this to be a false analogy. Close, but no cigar...
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 12/20/2003 : 22:50:11 [Permalink]
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PruplePanther wrote:quote:
Cant even get FOOD mentioned as something important in so-called "Health Forum."
Well, you haven't really tried yet. |
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
5310 Posts |
Posted - 12/22/2003 : 08:35:17 [Permalink]
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And I think Bush supporters either do not know or understand what's going on in the world, or they do not care. I have no reason to think that because I'm not an expert, that they are. I doubt that most of them have a clue. Those that work for him either don't know, don't care, or are deliberately lying for their own gain. Yes, I probably know more than they do on the subject or they just don't care about human life very much.
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Before you imply that all those who don't agree with you are necessarily stupid and wrong, even people who you admit might be more expert than you are in the area of politics, I suggest you go back and read the conclusions of the study you posted...
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26022 Posts |
Posted - 12/22/2003 : 09:38:19 [Permalink]
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Renae wrote:quote:
I have yet to read anything written by a Republican showing anything resembling grace and tolerance toward the Democrats on the issue of patriotism--or on the issue of the Iraq war.
Now of course, someone will google it and find me one. 
And then, gezzam wrote:quote:
Dave W. is my bet
Sounded like a challenge.
Unfortunately, I believe I must concede. One of the problems is, of course, that I know little of politics. The obvious method of finding an example for Renae would be to Google on names of individuals who self-identify as "moderate Republicans," or some such, with 'democrats' and 'patriotism' as keywords as well. I don't know any such names, however, since those sorts of people don't appear to be terribly newsworthy.
Perhaps the closest thing I found is The GOP's Political Patriotism. I say 'perhaps' for two reasons: (A) while Dickerson wrote TIME's "Person of the Year" story on Bush last year, I can't be sure that he's a Republican, and (B) his story might only be considered "tolerant" in that he doesn't seem to particularly slam the Democrats - in comparison to some of the frothing-at-the-mouth attacks on Democrats I've seen during my searches, Dickerson is a pussy cat.
It appears to be much easier to find examples of both "Democrats being tolerant of Republicans" and "Democrats being critical of themselves" than it is to find Republicans being either self-critical or tolerant. Why such a difference exists (or just seems to exist), I couldn't begin to guess.
At any rate, thanks for the vote of confidence, Gezzam. Or was it a subtle dig at my tenacity?  |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
13477 Posts |
Posted - 12/22/2003 : 09:53:31 [Permalink]
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| I found a lot on disgruntled republicans who think Bush is taking the party in the wrong direction. I can provide links if this fills the bill... |
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
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5310 Posts |
Posted - 12/22/2003 : 10:13:57 [Permalink]
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| That would be interesting. |
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Tim
SFN Regular
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Posted - 12/26/2003 : 01:05:16 [Permalink]
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Posted by Dave W.quote:
One just hopes the researchers who did this study weren't overconfident in their abilities to do science.
My sentiments, too--Sorta damned if you do, damned if you don't. The good and benevolent Jesus people often remind me of my continuing state of damnation. So, therefore, they must be correct.
I'm crushed...
Seriously, though, I find it difficult to apply the results of this little study to political affiliation. I've always felt a person's political choices often represent financial and social interests more often than knowledge and understanding of the issues. I do not find democrats and/or liberals any more knowledgeable as a group and on a balance of the chief issues than republicans and/or conservatives.
Did that make any sense at all?
I guess what I'm trying to say is that a person may support the republican party simply because it is beneficial to his or her investment portfolio. Perhaps, another will support the democratic party for no other reason than that person is a minority and that party is the one embracing affirmative action.
As for the media being biased to a right slant...Well, I think we would have little problem showing extensive evidence for this theory, but I would only apply the results to three of the four major English speaking nations. Canada might be a wash. The remainder of the Western industrialized nations may slant in the other direction.
And, to keep in step with the findings of the Kruger-Dunning study, there is probably about an average chance that I am completely wrong.  |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 12/26/2003 : 03:19:15 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
It appears to be much easier to find examples of both "Democrats being tolerant of Republicans" and "Democrats being critical of themselves" than it is to find Republicans being either self-critical or tolerant.
And that, I believe, is what's wrong with the U.S.A. today, and maybe even the world in general. |
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