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Zandermann
Skeptic Friend
USA
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 Posted - 08/15/2001 : 20:53:48 [Permalink]
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...I think the only mistake Lorrana Bobbit made, was telling them where she tossed it, while there was still time to reattach it.
very true, Peny...perhaps if more men thought that a similar fate awaited them (maybe even with a blunt penknife), such troubles would decrease drastically.
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Snake
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USA
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Posted - 08/15/2001 : 22:35:50 [Permalink]
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I think the only mistake Lorrana Bobbit made, was telling them where she tossed it, while there was still time to reattach it.
Peny, I can't believe you said that!
IMO, she is a hysterical over reacting bitch.
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Penyprity
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 08/17/2001 : 08:12:00 [Permalink]
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I think the only mistake Lorrana Bobbit made, was telling them where she tossed it, while there was still time to reattach it.
Peny, I can't believe you said that!
IMO, she is a hysterical over reacting bitch.
Rap Crap is to music what Paint by Numbers is to art.
Snake, I cant believe you said that! He was sexually and mentally abusing her for years. How much do you think a person can take before they snap. Perhaps you should do some research on abused women. Its not so simple as "if he hurts me, I will leave". BTW: John Bobbitt has gone on to abuse his next girlfriend too. She said he was wonderful..right up to the day she had to file charges.
Make your vote count. Become a supreme court justice......Peny
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Boron10
Religion Moderator
USA
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Posted - 08/17/2001 : 18:53:00 [Permalink]
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By the way, if the third choice is rape, there's a whole lot of rape going on by both sexes all the time...
That is a very disturbing thought.... What makes you say this? quote:
Charging people with a crime they didn't commit?
What an insane legal system.
Yeah, that never happens anywhere else. (Please note the heavy sarcasm here)quote:
Perhaps I am but I don't think looking up what it means would help, I just don't think it's logical.
How can you make any judgement without knowing what it means?
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Snake
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 08/17/2001 : 20:23:14 [Permalink]
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Snake, I cant believe you said that! He was sexually and mentally abusing her for years
How do we know that?
It has been my experience that women more then men exaggerate. She seemed to me to be such a women and a 'hot head' as well.
And as a side note: what if he was? She can not take the law into her own hands.
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ljbrs
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 08/18/2001 : 09:54:43 [Permalink]
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Women should be more careful about their selection of men. There are a lot of ways of getting rid of jerks long before it gets to a position where the woman would need to make any rash decisions. Rape occurs whenever the sex act in question is unwanted (by either party) but is nevertheless forced.
Nowadays, sex is very dangerous. In such a situation, rape is more than merely a criminal act. It can be a cause of eventual death by disease. That would make rape a capital crime in my mind.
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
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Posted - 08/18/2001 : 10:02:28 [Permalink]
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How do we know that?
It has been my experience that women more then men exaggerate. She seemed to me to be such a women and a 'hot head' as well.
You are quite possibly the most aggressively sexist person I have ever known.
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And as a side note: what if he was? She can not take the law into her own hands.
ROFL
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Penyprity
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 08/18/2001 : 15:21:05 [Permalink]
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Snake, I cant believe you said that! He was sexually and mentally abusing her for years
How do we know that?
It has been my experience that women more then men exaggerate. She seemed to me to be such a women and a 'hot head' as well.
And as a side note: what if he was? She can not take the law into her own hands.
Rap Crap is to music what Paint by Numbers is to art.
The trial was covered in the news. The papers all covered it and so did t.v. news. And according to the psychiatrists brought into the trial, they all said that what she did was the result of years of abuse. Where something finally snapped. I dont remember the actual phrase used, but I do remember the act of cutting off a sexual organ was so rare because the very nature of it was against our own primal needs. She had to have been driven to the edges of reality to have acutally done that. The press is still following John around. First with the successful procedure to reattach his penis, then his career change into porn, and the latest filing of abuse charges from his girlfriend.
Why are you so doubtful here, and why do you assume she is exaggerated? In fact, it is your very attitude that has kept women from getting help from the law for so many years. According to what came out in court, he used to go out with the boys..come home very drunk, then beat the crap out of her and rape her. Do you think this is so uncommon? I really think you should do some research on the topic. Most women that are being abused are afraid to get help, are financially unable to leave, have been told that they would be killed if they try to leave, or have children that have been used as leaverage against her. The stories you hear about in the news are just the tip of the iceberg. This is a crime that has no social, economic, or racial boundries. I think you should learn more about this crime and about her particular situation before you call her a "hot head".
Oh yeah, one last note. I dont think it was her intention to take the law into her own hands..I think it was an attempt to stop the abuse. Not a sane attempt..but then, I dont think she was all there when she did it. The psychiatrists didnt think so either.
Make your vote count. Become a supreme court justice......Peny
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Snake
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USA
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Posted - 08/18/2001 : 20:33:16 [Permalink]
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You are quite possibly the most aggressively sexist person I have ever known.
Why, thank you Kil! Thank you very much.
Hey, do I still get to come over for dinner?
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Snake
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USA
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Posted - 08/18/2001 : 20:45:02 [Permalink]
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Why are you so doubtful here, and why do you assume she is exaggerated
I made a judgement about each of them from seeing them speaking on various shows.
In trials, a lawyer on either side can get doctors to say anything. I wouldn't be so quick to trust anyone from her side of the defense.
I'm not saying some women don't have a hard time or are not raped but it's hysterical hyper ones who think they are raped because a guy touches them on the shoulder who make it rough for the ones who do have a real problem.
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Penyprity
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 08/18/2001 : 22:11:44 [Permalink]
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Why are you so doubtful here, and why do you assume she is exaggerated
I made a judgement about each of them from seeing them speaking on various shows.
In trials, a lawyer on either side can get doctors to say anything. I wouldn't be so quick to trust anyone from her side of the defense.
I'm not saying some women don't have a hard time or are not raped but it's hysterical hyper ones who think they are raped because a guy touches them on the shoulder who make it rough for the ones who do have a real problem.
Rap Crap is to music what Paint by Numbers is to art.
I just cant believe you. Do you think he tapped her on the shoulder so she cut off his penis? Its only her side you dont believe? You are a sexist of the worst kind. You have decided that any woman who says she has been raped is probably hysterical. And once again, you have not done any research on this subject. I can tell from the speed in which you answer, and the total lack of compassion, which, coming from you, surprises me. I mean really, you care more about the cockers than you do women in trouble. Clearly, you have been lucky enough not to have suffered the kind of abuse we are talking about, and Im glad for you. And you have also never known anyone who has lived that kind of life. Again, lucky you. And if you paid attention to the trial back then or the continuing drama of Mr. Bobbit, you could not still think she was making this stuff up. Why do you think he is in trouble again? With a different woman? Ya know, he had lawyers too.
There are lots of web sites you can use to get better informed. I suggest that you look up some of this stuff. Did you know that a woman is raped every 15 seconds in America alone. Think about it...4 women a minute. Do the math. Its staggering. Domestic violence is just as frequent, of the reports that are made. Many cases do not get reported. Many women never tell anyone. Some of them die that way. Wake up Snake. This is serious. Women who have been raped often dont recover from it. It changes their world forever. Also, many sexual attacks and rapes happen from men these women know. Fathers, uncles, brothers..or a guy they might have gone on a date with. And husbands.
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Tokyodreamer
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 08/19/2001 : 20:00:39 [Permalink]
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That is a very disturbing thought.... What makes you say this?
Well, I guess it really depends on how you define 'emotional sanctions'. I just mean that when one partner indicates they don't feel like it, the other will try various methods of persuasion, like pouting, which is what popped in my head when I read "emotional sanctions".
That may not be what was meant by the third poll question.
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Boron10
Religion Moderator
USA
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Posted - 08/20/2001 : 01:20:50 [Permalink]
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Oh, I see. I had interpreted that choice to be more like, "If you won't do this for me, you are a terrible person and I won't love you any more." This type of threat, if it is a pouty joke, is harmless (if the partner understands it as such); however, if the one making the threat is trying to be serious, that becomes abuse. It may be easy for people to think, "why would anybody believe a threat like that?" Unfortunately, emotional abuse of this nature happens, and the partner being abused becomes brainwashed to believe that (s)he really is a terrible person, or is worthless, or can't live alone. When that occurs, the obtaining of sexual favors in that manner is rape.
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Snake
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 08/23/2001 : 23:14:34 [Permalink]
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Its only her side you dont believe?
Yes, of course it's only her side I don't believe, that's what a judge does, make a decision which person they think is more honest by observations.
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You have decided that any woman who says she has been raped is probably hysterical.
It has been my experience that many women do tend to over emphasize more then men.
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I mean really, you care more about the cockers than you do women in trouble.
I have always cared more for other animals then humans. At least you know they are honest with their feelings and you know what they are going to do from their actions. They don't lie and hurt you like a lot of humans do.
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Clearly, you have been lucky enough not to have suffered the kind of abuse we are talking about, and Im glad for you. And you have also never known anyone who has lived that kind of life.
Whatever I have been through, I try to overcome.
Actually I have known some who have been through abuse, perhaps that's why I have the opinions I do.
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Did you know that a woman is raped every 15 seconds in America alone. Think about it...4 women a minute.
You mean like innocent little Paula Jones or the idiot who went up to Mike Tysons room. What were they thinking? Sure there are people who get seriously attacked and the person doing it should be punished but we have to be reasonable and fair to the accused too. Things are not always one way OR the other.
A women who stays with a guy when there are signs she should leave and someone who is attacked by stranger who climbs in a window are two different things and I can't feel as sorry for the former.
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Penyprity
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 08/24/2001 : 18:23:20 [Permalink]
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Its only her side you dont believe?
Yes, of course it's only her side I don't believe, that's what a judge does, make a decision which person they think is more honest by observations.
But a judge is supposed to listen to both side objectively. You are not doing that. What you are doing is being judgemental. Not the same thing.
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You have decided that any woman who says she has been raped is probably hysterical.
It has been my experience that many women do tend to over emphasize more then men.
So they are all liars? And if they say they have been raped they were probably asking for it?
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I mean really, you care more about the cockers than you do women in trouble.
I have always cared more for other animals then humans. At least you know they are honest with their feelings and you know what they are going to do from their actions. They don't lie and hurt you like a lot of humans do.
Well, dogs often attach without prior warning. Thats why so many people get their faces bit off. Im sorry someone hurt you so badly though.
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Clearly, you have been lucky enough not to have suffered the kind of abuse we are talking about, and Im glad for you. And you have also never known anyone who has lived that kind of life.
Whatever I have been through, I try to overcome.
Actually I have known some who have been through abuse, perhaps that's why I have the opinions I do.
Were you able to be logical and objective, or did you just write off this person, like you do all the other women in the world?
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Did you know that a woman is raped every 15 seconds in America alone. Think about it...4 women a minute.
You mean like innocent little Paula Jones or the idiot who went up to Mike Tysons room. What were they thinking? Sure there are people who get seriously attacked and the person doing it should be punished but we have to be reasonable and fair to the accused too. Things are not always one way OR the other.
O.K. first of all, Paula Jones never said she was raped. She said she was sexually harrassed. While this is a crime, it falls way short of rape. And the jury found Mike Tyson guilty the first time. Why would she go up to his room? I dunno. Perhaps she is not as smart as you, or perhaps she was so impressed with his stardom that she made a bad choice, or perhaps she didnt believe he raped the first woman. She probably thought the other woman was just hysterical.
And you seem to think things are one way.
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A women who stays with a guy when there are signs she should leave and someone who is attacked by stranger who climbs in a window are two different things and I can't feel as sorry for the former.
As I have said in a previous post, there are lots of reasons why a woman stays in an abused situation. Usually, its financial (which according to one of your own posts on another thread, you can relate to). Sometimes they have been told that if they leave, he will kill her, or her kids, or both. And sometimes they dont know what to do or where to turn. You would know this if you had done the research I have been asking you to do.
Not all rapes happen from strangers. Many happen with men they know. Ever hear of date rape. Then there are the fathers, brothers, uncles, friends of the family everyone trusts..and even husbands. Why do you keep ignoring this fact?
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