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chaloobi
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 Posted - 06/01/2004 : 10:21:09 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by rickm
I read the satanic bible when I was younger, theres not anything really bad as one would expect. Much of it is how to live in a way that most people already live today Christians included. Some things I remember, don't waste your love on people who do not reciprocate, save it for the people who are deserving of your love. Don't turn the other cheek. Sex is something that the satanitst should revel in, sex is such an important act that it should never be performed with an unwilling partner, no rape, no bestiality, it must be consentual.
Anton Zsander Lavey never condoned any acts of violence, no baby sacrifices and such. After reading the book I wondered how it related to satanism at all, if we take satanism as described by christians.
Basically the book was crap.
Years ago I had a very long chat with a satanist in an AOL chat room. He was a good conversationalist and explained to me that Satanists are not fire and brimstone, snake loving, baby murders. In fact, they revere Satan as the ultimate expression of freedom of choice. God represents the top-down authoritarian "do as I say or be tortured for eternity" control and Satan represents "let me be free to decide." I thought it was reasonable though I made the argument that by calling themselves Satanists, they are dooming themselves to alienation from society merely because of the conotations that term brings with it. I can't remember what his response was.
Furthermore, after some subsequent thought, I realized his argument doesn't take into account Faith. Isn't the accepted reason for the requirement of Faith that God wants to preserve freedom of choice? That is, God knows that if He reveals Himself to humanity in all His glory and issues instructions for how we should live that there isn't anyone who would dare do otherwise. But God wants us to choose His way freely, so He will not confirm beyond doubt that He exists. A clever explanation for the complete lack of evidence for God. I'm not buying it, but it's a decent enough counter argument for the Satanists. Afterall, they must believe in God, right? Why else would they define themselves by the anti-God being? So how can they deny God's emphasis on free choice? |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 06/01/2004 : 13:53:02 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by chaloobiI'm not buying it, but it's a decent enough counter argument for the Satanists. Afterall, they must believe in God, right? Why else would they define themselves by the anti-God being? So how can they deny God's emphasis on free choice?
I think they do it, not because God is supposedly free choice, but almost all God-worship is institutionalised, and the preached salvation comes with a multitude of norms one has to conform to. This seriously limits the free will. Ask any christian if it is ok to have sex with someone other than your own wife, even if she says it's ok? But then, would a true Satanist get married? |
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Huluhae
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Posted - 06/02/2004 : 04:43:21 [Permalink]
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The funny thing is, I was born and raised in the south--the Bible Belt--and never dealt with these door-to-door religious types. I moved to Il in early '03 and have seen them twice so far. Crazy.
By the way, Renae, I like what you had to say. Indeed, I shall show my inner bitch. Heck, I'm even looking forward to the next buffoon who crosses my path. Muahahaha! |
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verlch
SFN Regular
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Posted - 06/25/2004 : 20:10:36 [Permalink]
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Oh, and the best part is he tried to convince he that his god is a kind and loving god because "he killed my two brothers."
A loving God allowed Lucifer to rebel in heaven without destoying him. God allowed him to make his point, but there can never be two Gods in Heaven!!! And so God had to kick him out of heaven.
Man was created for Gods glory and in His image and woman was created for the glory of man and in his image. Eve used her free will to continue to rebel here on earth, with Satan as our god, under penalty of death.
God didn't kill your brothers, rebellion did. Perhaps your brothers could have asked for protection from Gods angels before they left, and remember may Gods will be done and not ours. We are going to die, and someday you too will bow your knee and worship the God that made you with your own eyes. If God the father sees fit, your brothers will live and how do you know that Satan and his host are not there manipulate events so they can claim your brothers and then point his finger at the 'Most High.?'
Our Father, who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy Name.
Thy kingdom come.
Thy will be done, On earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our trespasses,
As we forgive those who trespass against us.
And lead us not into temptation,
But deliver us from evil.
For thine is the kingdom,
and the power,
and the glory,
for ever and ever.
Amen.
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What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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verlch
SFN Regular
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Posted - 06/25/2004 : 20:18:21 [Permalink]
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Advice:
Close the door in his face. If you wish to be polite, as I do, you smile, say "No thank you" and then close the door in his face.
I will have to remember that the next time a radical evolutionist trys to ram theories down my throat the next time I watch National Geographic or something!!! |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 06/25/2004 : 21:25:20 [Permalink]
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verlch wrote:quote:
I will have to remember that the next time a radical evolutionist trys to ram theories down my throat the next time I watch National Geographic or something!!!
Since when is it "ramming" the theory down your throat when you are making the choice to not change the channel?
And what the heck is a "radical evolutionist?" |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 06/26/2004 : 00:20:34 [Permalink]
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somebody make him stop..... I'll pay you.
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A loving God allowed Lucifer to rebel in heaven without destoying him. God allowed him to make his point, but there can never be two Gods in Heaven!!! And so God had to kick him out of heaven.
Man was created for Gods glory and in His image and woman was created for the glory of man and in his image. Eve used her free will to continue to rebel here on earth, with Satan as our god, under penalty of death.
So... god intended lucifer to rebel, then punished him for following the intent of god, then eve rebeled on earth, and satan is her god, and somehow the penalty is death.... all for the sake of going along with god's will.
nice one verlch.... |
Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
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verlch
SFN Regular
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Posted - 06/26/2004 : 00:40:12 [Permalink]
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And what the heck is a "radical evolutionist?"
Guys like you that don't like me... |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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verlch
SFN Regular
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Posted - 06/26/2004 : 00:42:00 [Permalink]
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So... god intended lucifer to rebel, then punished him for following the intent of god, then eve rebeled on earth, and satan is her god, and somehow the penalty is death.... all for the sake of going along with god's will.
What? What are you smoking? This isn't His will....But it happened and they are dealing with it... |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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verlch
SFN Regular
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Posted - 06/26/2004 : 00:45:35 [Permalink]
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Since when is it "ramming" the theory down your throat when you are making the choice to not change the channel?
I don't watch them, there are many programs that it creeps into as if its fact. It ruins the whole show, it makes me angry. Is that so bad? Or should I sit there in the company of fiction? Fiction based on assumptions and theories. Not fact, interpertation of facts presented. Radical Evolutionists argue about distortions in the theory, come to an agreement and carry on.
I don't need to watch a show a about dinosaurs and stomach it.... |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
6891 Posts |
Posted - 06/26/2004 : 10:01:16 [Permalink]
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So... god intended lucifer to rebel, then punished him for following the intent of god, then eve rebeled on earth, and satan is her god, and somehow the penalty is death.... all for the sake of going along with god's will.
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What? What are you smoking? This isn't His will....But it happened and they are dealing with it...
Ummm you said it's god's will.... quote:
A loving God allowed Lucifer to rebel in heaven without destoying him. God allowed him to make his point,
god, being omnipotent and omnicient right? If god "allowed" lucifer to rebel, then it was the intent of god that lucifer do so.
And who is/are "they"?? |
Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth |
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verlch
SFN Regular
781 Posts |
Posted - 06/26/2004 : 10:26:28 [Permalink]
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Ummm you said it's god's will....
Again, sure it happened, things happened against His will. But in the end God will win. |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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tomk80
SFN Regular
Netherlands
1278 Posts |
Posted - 06/26/2004 : 12:31:18 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
Guys like you that don't like me...
That is your own doing.
But then, although I do not like you, I do not hate you either Verlch. I do pity you, seeing that you do not seem able to critically evaluate your own posts on this board. |
Tom
`Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, `if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic.'
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satans_mom
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 06/26/2004 : 14:28:41 [Permalink]
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The Satanic Bible is just Anton LeVey's bashing of Christianity and other religions and how he leads his life and how other Satanists should lead theirs. It's not much different than the Bible, actually...............
But you could take advice from a Satanist. Dress completely in black uniform, a long flowing cape, with black makeup around your eyes, and open your door with a lit torch in hand. Chant (I know "Shemhamforash" means "Hail Satan!"). Do the robot-walk towards him. Get closer and closer.
If he hasn't started to run by now start bowing to the gods and thanking them for your meal that you are about to eat. |
Yo mama's so fat, she's on both sides of the family.
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satans_mom
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 06/26/2004 : 14:32:48 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
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Ummm you said it's god's will....
Again, sure it happened, things happened against His will. But in the end God will win.
You're an idiot. |
Yo mama's so fat, she's on both sides of the family.
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