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Ricky
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 06/26/2004 : 20:10:37 [Permalink]
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"I can start a war today and say in the 'name of Darwin' I am going to kill all the men in your country and enslave the woman and children. Does it necessarily mean I actually believe in Evolution?"
You can argue over whether Hitler was a "real" Catholic, but what you may have a hard time arguing is why the Catholic Church in Germany supported him. I'll try to find the source where I read this.
"I can start a war today and say in the 'name of Darwin' I am going to kill all the men in your country and enslave the woman and children. Does it necessarily mean I actually believe in Evolution?"
First of all, no, I don't think you could start a war with evolution. However, your missing the bigger picture. Evolution does not claim to have a perfect higher being and does not claim to always be right. All it shows is where we came from. The Catholic Relgion however, claims to always be perfect, for their ideas to always be right. That is why Hitler and the crusades are always huge topics of controversy. If Hitler truely believed that he was following god's will, and he did this, what does that say about people who believe they are following god's will? It says that they can be wrong. (Note the use of the word CAN, not ARE)
Edit: I found a better way to word this. A "belief" in evolution does not claim to make a person good or bad. It has nothing to do with how moral a person is. The same is not true for a belief in the Christian god. If you want to be a follower of god, you must be good right (or at least try to be). Well, if Hitler thought he was following god when he murdered millions of people, that means that following god is not always a good thing.
"Others where burned at the stake because the said the earth was round only 400 years ago."
Because they went against the Bible, and your point is?
"So in Evolution when you evolve to the stars do ever die then too!!! It seems like alot of work?"
Either I'm just not understanding this or you had a brain fart. Is it just a lot of typos in a row that I can't seem to make sense of? |
Why continue? Because we must. Because we have the call. Because it is nobler to fight for rationality without winning than to give up in the face of continued defeats. Because whatever true progress humanity makes is through the rationality of the occasional individual and because any one individual we may win for the cause may do more for humanity than a hundred thousand who hug their superstitions to their breast.
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Dave W.
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Posted - 06/26/2004 : 21:32:10 [Permalink]
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verlch wrote:quote:
Others where burned at the stake because the said the earth was round only 400 years ago.
If so (and you've never supported this assertion), it was the Church who was doing the burning. You would like it to have been atheists, but your desires are not what's written in history. |
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verlch
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Posted - 06/26/2004 : 22:34:28 [Permalink]
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quote:
You can argue over whether Hitler was a "real" Catholic, but what you may have a hard time arguing is why the Catholic Church in Germany supported him. I'll try to find the source where I read this.
The pope and company is no more christian than the illumanti!!! They have been infiltrated by pagans, sun worhippers and freemasons!!
95% of the Catholic people are wonderful, loyal and a beutiful people!! They are good people that are raised and worship in places dedicated to sun worship. They don't know, they think they are worshipping the God of Heaven!!!! Let them be.
http://www.nazarite.net/evil-holidays.html
We have already been over this before!!! |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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Dave W.
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Posted - 06/26/2004 : 22:45:33 [Permalink]
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verlch wrote:quote:
We have already been over this before!!!
Yes, and you failed to make your case before. Assuming that we've all agreed with you on these points is a non-starter. |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 06/27/2004 : 14:07:23 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by verlch
The pope and company is no more christian than the illumanti!!! They have been infiltrated by pagans, sun worhippers and freemasons!!
Where is your proof? |
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verlch
SFN Regular
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Posted - 06/27/2004 : 16:28:40 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
quote:
Originally posted by verlch
The pope and company is no more christian than the illumanti!!! They have been infiltrated by pagans, sun worhippers and freemasons!!
Where is your proof?
http://www.revolting.com/1.2/chick/vatican.html
http://www.revolting.com/1.2/chick/chick2.html
Here is a whole bunch of stuff...
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What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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satans_mom
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 06/27/2004 : 16:54:04 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by verlch
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
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Originally posted by verlch
The pope and company is no more christian than the illumanti!!! They have been infiltrated by pagans, sun worhippers and freemasons!!
Where is your proof?
http://www.revolting.com/1.2/chick/vatican.html
http://www.revolting.com/1.2/chick/chick2.html
Here is a whole bunch of stuff...
Ehhh.... I'm not sure I believe all of that.....
In fact I know I don't.
There goes your proof. |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 06/27/2004 : 17:43:30 [Permalink]
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verlch..... can't even make fun of him at this point.
pathetic. |
Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
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R.Wreck
SFN Regular
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Posted - 06/27/2004 : 18:51:29 [Permalink]
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c88 wrote:
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He could have controlled everything, and still can interject when he see's fit. But for the most part, he gave us the right to choose.
This seems to me to be an ad hoc rationalization of why there's no real evidence of a god to be found, i.e. because he's a real "hands off" kind of manager. So you chalk it up to being given free will due to god's grace. Doesn't it make more sense that you have free will precisely because there is no higher power? Because the universe in undirected and doesn't really care what you do one way or the other? It certainly is the explanation that requires the least assumptions (see Occam). |
The foundation of morality is to . . . give up pretending to believe that for which there is no evidence, and repeating unintelligible propositions about things beyond the possibliities of knowledge.
T. H. Huxley
The Cattle Prod of Enlightened Compassion
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 06/27/2004 : 19:08:33 [Permalink]
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From verlch's second link, above:Witchcraft and the occult are always at work in Chick's suburban universe, often behind seemingly harmless teen activities. The alarmist "Dark Dungeons" exposes Dungeons & Dragons as an occult apprenticeship to witchcraft and Satanism. Innocent Debbie shows such promise in D&D as "Elfstar" that her Dungeonmaster, an older woman, initiates her into a witch's coven. When a former D&D partner hangs herself because her own character dies, Debbie comes to her senses and is "saved" by a friend. That night, she attends a prayer meeting where a reformed warlock commands the audience to "gather up all your occult paraphernalia... rock music, occult books, charms, Dungeons & Dragons material... don't throw them away, BURN THEM!" Bwahahahahahaha! The whole thing is too much. Aside from one little episode almost 30 years ago, have there been any serious connections between D&D and suicide? And nevermind the whole 'paladin' character class, those damned do-gooders.
Hey, maybe we should start an online game here, just to keep some of the riff-raff away. 
Seriously, verlch, Jack Chick has been considered a joke by most of the world for many years now. We have a spoof of one of his tracts here on the SFN, even. |
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
USA
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Posted - 06/28/2004 : 06:57:50 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by verlch
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You can argue over whether Hitler was a "real" Catholic, but what you may have a hard time arguing is why the Catholic Church in Germany supported him. I'll try to find the source where I read this.
The pope and company is no more christian than the illumanti!!! They have been infiltrated by pagans, sun worhippers and freemasons!!
95% of the Catholic people are wonderful, loyal and a beutiful people!! They are good people that are raised and worship in places dedicated to sun worship. They don't know, they think they are worshipping the God of Heaven!!!! Let them be.
http://www.nazarite.net/evil-holidays.html
We have already been over this before!!!
I have perused this site and found it lacking in sources, facts (as it pertains to Wicca and Neopagan holidays), and a basic "who we are" section. In effect this is an anonymous source with zero credibility.
We have been over this before, you still have not provided any valid source for this assertation. The quoting of suspect or comprimised sources tend to weaken your arguement. |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
USA
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Posted - 06/29/2004 : 06:31:59 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by verlch
http://www.revolting.com/1.2/chick/vatican.html
http://www.revolting.com/1.2/chick/chick2.html
Here is a whole bunch of stuff...
As I've noted in a thread entirely devoted to this matter, verlch, there is no evidence for any of this crap. Just because a website says "Nimrod did this, and Tammuz (Baal) did that" does not mean it's true. Even if you want it to be true.
It's a sign that you lack any sort of critical thinking skills (or that you're an adept troll) that you've fallen for this shit. Read your Bible, verlch. How many verses does the "mighty hunter" Nimrud appear in?!? Where is this character attested in extra-biblical sources? How can anyone write a history of the spread of Satanic worship in the Catholic church based on Gen 10:8-9 (and tangentally Gen 10:10)?
In short, your sources lack any credibility and are as worthless as you saying them yourself. (Which is, BTW, pretty worthless.) |
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