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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
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You have a wicked mind, Stargirl. I like that! |
Dr. Mabuse - "When the going gets tough, the tough get Duct-tape..."
Dr. Mabuse whisper.mp3
"Equivocation is not just a job, for a creationist it's a way of life..." Dr. Mabuse
Support American Troops in Iraq:
Send them unarmed civilians for target practice..
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verlch
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Posted - 09/22/2004 : 20:45:50 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Ricky
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The logic (ha!) goes that since God created Adam and Eve, they were essentially genetically perfect. They had lots of childrens (living to some absurd age), which then bred amongst themselves. There were no birth defects or anything wrong in these relationships because of Adam and Eve's genetic perfection.
Sin created imperfection
Evil created imperfection, my radical friend.... |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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verlch
SFN Regular
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Posted - 09/22/2004 : 20:49:11 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
After Able had been slain, the sons of Adam and Eve went fourth populating the Earth. Since they were the first ones on the planet according to Fundie(tm) doctrine, where did their wifes come from?
Logically, they had to be sisters of Cain.
So my question are these...:
1) If they weren't siblings, where did they come from?
2) If they were siblings, since when (where in the Bible) did God decree that married couples shouldn't be closer than cousins?
Ever heard of Tubal-Cain in the bible. I believe he lived before the flood and was a great-great grandchild of Cain. I think he lived in wicked city Cain founded. Anyways Tubel cain is believed to have been the start of mystical knowledge and the Freemasons. So if you are a mason and you are to be tried in court and you call out Tubal Cains name, any freemason in the room has sworn an oath to protect you. Even if it means lying...You can trace that back a long ways. |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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Posted - 09/22/2004 : 21:27:23 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
Ever heard of Tubal-Cain in the bible. I believe he lived before the flood and was a great-great grandchild of Cain. I think he lived in wicked city Cain founded. Anyways Tubel cain is believed to have been the start of mystical knowledge and the Freemasons. So if you are a mason and you are to be tried in court and you call out Tubal Cains name, any freemason in the room has sworn an oath to protect you. Even if it means lying...You can trace that back a long ways.
Obsess much, Verlch (with apologies to Ace Ventura)?
Yes, there is a biblical character Tubal-qain (or Cain, as it is traditionally translated). He appears in Gen 4:22. He is described at the first worker of metal, in contrast to his cousins Yaval and Yuval, the first of which was the first nomad, the second of which was the first to play music.
Obviously, these are references to myths or legends that would have made sense to a resident of western Asia in the first millennium BC or so but have sense been lost. Doubtles if we had every story passed down in written form, and if every such story were preserved, we'd find a collection of tales about the first guy to work metal, and so on. Unfortunately, all we actually have are these little glimpses.
Where you get your wild ideas are not clear to me, though I'm sure you're going to be quick to link a dozen or so fucked-up web pages wherein I can read all sorts of fabulous fiction about how there really was a Tubal-Cain, and how he somehow founded the Freemasons, and how he must have made Noah a Freemason (since everyone but Noah and his family died in the flood), and how this tradition made it all the way to the present.
Explain to me again why these baseless stories-- conjured up with no evidence at all!-- are easy to accept but evolution-- with more evidence that you can link to this forum-- isn't? |
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 09/22/2004 : 21:41:26 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Cuneiformist
Explain to me again why these baseless stories-- conjured up with no evidence at all!-- are easy to accept but evolution-- with more evidence that you can link to this forum-- isn't?
Hehe. That question totally reminds me of a list I've been meaning to post...
Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Christian
10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.
9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.
8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.
7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!
6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.
5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.
4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."
3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity.
2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.
1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian.
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"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman
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verlch
SFN Regular
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Posted - 09/22/2004 : 22:28:50 [Permalink]
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http://fusionanomaly.net/freemasons.html
The Secret Password:
"Tubal-Cain" is the secret password of a Master Mason. But some lodges have their own passwords.
http://www.cuttingedge.org/free11.html
Why is the Pentagon that shape, and why is the Washington Momument an oblesik???
Why does Chrystler have the same symbol, with a god of egypt in many of its symbols??? How do you miss that???? |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 09/22/2004 : 23:03:05 [Permalink]
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Let's see if we can examine the flaw with verlch's latest assertion.
As Cuneiformist pointed out, somehow Noah would have had to have been a freemason. If Noah was a freemason, then he probably trained his sons to be masons as well. Therefore there should be evidence of freemasonry readily apparent in every culture and society on earth.
Let's see.... yeah, those Zulu warriors must have been hiding their masonic tendencies. Same as those dastardly Native Americans... and damn, what about the aboriginal peoples in Australia? Yeah, bet they are all secretly freemasons...
wtf are you smoking verlch? |
Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth |
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verlch
SFN Regular
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Posted - 09/22/2004 : 23:31:55 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
Let's see if we can examine the flaw with verlch's latest assertion.
As Cuneiformist pointed out, somehow Noah would have had to have been a freemason. If Noah was a freemason, then he probably trained his sons to be masons as well. Therefore there should be evidence of freemasonry readily apparent in every culture and society on earth.
Let's see.... yeah, those Zulu warriors must have been hiding their masonic tendencies. Same as those dastardly Native Americans... and damn, what about the aboriginal peoples in Australia? Yeah, bet they are all secretly freemasons...
wtf are you smoking verlch?
Listen, my newest best friend, yes Tubal Cain existed before the flood. All of humanity died. Noah spent 120 years building the ark with his three sons, they where mocked day and night. The humans of the time made fun of Noah day and night, yet 8 humans are saved from death. Who knows which one of those men kept the knowledge of the craft? Tubal Cain is a father of the craft. If it started 2 minutes ago or 4000 years ago, I do not know.
But all I know is the first entity in the universe that ceased to exist is Abel. When Cain rose up and slew him in cold blood. He spilled Abel's blood all over the ground.
Why do you go down to your local masonic headquarters and learn something about them. Instead of lashing out all over the place???? |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 09/23/2004 : 08:23:14 [Permalink]
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verlch wrote:quote:
...and why is the Washington Momument an oblesik???
It's not. An obelisk is made from a single piece of rock. The Washington Monument is made of many pieces of rock. It's not an obelisk. |
- Dave W. (Private Msg, EMail)
Evidently, I rock!
Why not question something for a change?
Visit Dave's Psoriasis Info, too. |
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Siberia
SFN Addict
Brazil
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Posted - 09/23/2004 : 08:54:43 [Permalink]
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Noah spent 120 years building the ark with his three sons
Pity we don't have such long, prolific AND strong lives anymore. I bet that your computer's sending evil vibes to kill you earlier.
And what's the relevance of Tubal-qain in this topic anyway? |
"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
- The Kovenant, Via Negativa
"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
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tomk80
SFN Regular
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Posted - 09/23/2004 : 13:14:14 [Permalink]
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| I don't know, but whatever it is, for a biblical literalist Verlch sure is making up quite a lot of facts not in the bible. |
Tom
`Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, `if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic.'
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Ricky
SFN Die Hard
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tw101356
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 09/23/2004 : 20:18:04 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Ricky
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Why is the Pentagon that shape...
I'm not quite sure on this one, I may need to look into some sources, but I think it might have something to do with the name.
The answer appears to be pretty mundane. A single sentence in here explains that the shape was chosen to fit between existing roads at the original location.
I can't get the archive link to work, so you have to go here:
http://www.greatbuildings.com/buildings/The_Pentagon.html
and scroll to the bottom of the page to find this link:
"History of the Pentagon — U.S. DOD info, archived at Archive.org"
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 09/23/2004 : 20:58:11 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by tw101356
The answer appears to be pretty mundane. A single sentence in here explains that the shape was chosen to fit between existing roads at the original location.
Yeah....roads built by Freemasons! This building had to have been planned for centuries! Do you not now see the lengths to which these men will go?
Actually, it's kind of fun to play the "Verlch" role. I get to be hysterically alarmist and no research is required. Try it!
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"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman
"Face facts with dignity." --found inside a fortune cookie |
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verlch
SFN Regular
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Posted - 09/23/2004 : 22:03:10 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by H. Humbert
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Originally posted by tw101356
The answer appears to be pretty mundane. A single sentence in here explains that the shape was chosen to fit between existing roads at the original location.
Yeah....roads built by Freemasons! This building had to have been planned for centuries! Do you not now see the lengths to which these men will go?
Actually, it's kind of fun to play the "Verlch" role. I get to be hysterically alarmist and no research is required. Try it!
http://james.jlcarroll.net/symbolism/pentagram.html
PENTAGON. A geometrical figure of five sides and five angles. It is the third figure from the exterior, in the Camp of the Sublime Princes of the Royal Secret, or Thirty-second Degree of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite. In the Egyptian Rit of Cagliostro, he constructed, with much formality, an implement called the sacred pentagon, and which, being distributed to his disciples, gave, as he affirmed, to each one the power of holding spiritual intercourse.
Why is our Pentagon that shape, both the washington monument and pentagon are shapes out of egypt. Statue of Liberty represents the mother of Tammaz out of Babylon.
http://groups.msn.com/illuminatiuncovered/illuminatisymbolism.msnw
http://www.cemeterypreservations.accessgenealogy.com/custom3.html |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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