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Siberia
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"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
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"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
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Renae
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Posted - 12/12/2004 : 10:28:05 [Permalink]
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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Posted - 12/12/2004 : 12:47:59 [Permalink]
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Cuneiformist, I think I luuuuuuv you.
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tomk80
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Posted - 12/12/2004 : 14:58:43 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Rubicon95
In my opinion, this is probably a reaction to Theo Van Gough's murder.
Funny thing is, in the Netherlands such a legislation is already in existence. It is a law from 1932 which can be used to prosecute people who comitted blasphemy. The last time it was used was in the 'donkey trial', in which the dutch poet Gerard Reve was prosecuted because he portrayed God as a donkey in one of his poems. In 1968 Reve was acquitted from prosecution.
After the murder on Theo van Gogh, our current minister of justice (don't know a better translation) Donner promoted a more active use of the law (which was written by his grandfather). However, he hasn't been succesfull, because the article is very hard to use in prosecution cases, because support for the measure isn't wide spread. |
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`Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, `if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic.'
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verlch
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Posted - 12/12/2004 : 15:24:55 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Cuneiformist
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Originally posted by verlch
Europe is Liberal, if Europe was part of America the whole country would be blue (feeling the blues). Its only a matter of time before pussified Americans fall in love with EU's ways of living!
This is why V is the poster-boy for whatever fringe conservative, anti-global, whack-job movement there is. Despite the fact that the country is showing a gradual trend towards religious conservatism. People like Verlch are convinced that the US is just a step away from Communism. Crazed conspiracy-minded groups will doubtless grow rich taking money from our resident dumb@!## by raising the alarm to the (imaginary) concern that we're "only a matter of time" from being Liberal. They'll ask for his $25.00 and try again next year with a whole new barrage of ads "proving" that Jews are this much closer to running the world.
Sadly, Verlch seems to thrive on playing the oppressed martyr and will doubtless view himself as a minority in all ways despite his (tragic) mainstream views in many areas.
(Edited because I should watch my language and be nicer)
Thank you for taking out those awful cuss words, my ears are burning. Do you think your ancestors would talk like that? The monkies in the bush? Shame on you! They would most likely slap you around if your not the Alpha male, then if your lucky they would pick fleas and knats off you! I wonder if as fish your ancestors would blow bubbles at each other as cuss words? I mean without arms, let alone hands it would be hard to have a fist fight! I'm sure the fish would just invent a bicycle and cycle onto dry land! Build a city called fish food, for humans, oh wait humans aren't here yet!
No, I'm against abortion. I think a child has rights at conception. I think you can call a human in the woman a man child. That is why they say she is with child. Feminists have come in and made billions out of taking human life and calling it wonderful because its their bodies. Well if the westurn world wasn't full of very well traveled women, there wouldn't be the need for abortions. As the children would be raised in a stable marriage. I think we have a huge fatherlessness issue in this great nation. These days women want all the rewards in life with the least amount of effort as possible! Even raising a child has become a burden to most. When you have 59% of single mothers living in poverty and only 5% truely independant you have a problem. Most are independant riding on the backs of ex husbands through alimoney and child support. Most of the time they are living in the house while the ex gets to live in an apartment! They also say prisons are full of men from single mother housholds. They say about 85% are fatherless. In a country where women think they don't need men and 50% of marriages end. (In Californication it is about 2/3 of all marriages are become a divorece) 90%j of the time the woman fills for divorece! Seems as though independant women are a reciept for problems. |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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Posted - 12/12/2004 : 15:34:23 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
Thank you for taking out those awful cuss words, my ears are burning. Do you think your ancestors would talk like that? The monkies in the bush? Shame on you! They would most likely slap you around if your not the Alpha male, then if your lucky they would pick fleas and knats off you! I wonder if as fish your ancestors would blow bubbles at each other as cuss words? I mean without arms, let alone hands it would be hard to have a fist fight! I'm sure the fish would just invent a bicycle and cycle onto dry land! Build a city called fish food, for humans, oh wait humans aren't here yet!
Uhhhhh... talking fish? Or.... uh.... something?
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No, I'm against abortion. I think a child has rights at conception. I think you can call a human in the woman a man child. That is why they say she is with child. Feminists have come in and made billions out of taking human life and calling it wonderful because its their bodies. Well if the westurn world wasn't full of very well traveled women, there wouldn't be the need for abortions. As the children would be raised in a stable marriage. I think we have a huge fatherlessness issue in this great nation. These days women want all the rewards in life with the least amount of effort as possible! Even raising a child has become a burden to most. When you have 59% of single mothers living in poverty and only 5% truely independant you have a problem. Most are independant riding on the backs of ex husbands through alimoney and child support. Most of the time they are living in the house while the ex gets to live in an apartment! They also say prisons are full of men from single mother housholds. They say about 85% are fatherless. In a country where women think they don't need men and 50% of marriages end. (In Californication it is about 2/3 of all marriages are become a divorece) 90%j of the time the woman fills for divorece! Seems as though independant women are a reciept for problems.
SEE?!?!! This is EXACTLY what I'm talking about. The thread was about PC Europe, and then verlch-- who started the thread!-- comes in and starts off on this new rant about abortion and women's lib! He's a TROLL! |
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Siberia
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Posted - 12/12/2004 : 16:13:47 [Permalink]
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"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
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"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
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verlch
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This is why V is the poster-boy for whatever fringe conservative, anti-global, whack-job movement there is. Despite the fact that the country is showing a gradual trend towards religious conservatism. People like Verlch are convinced that the US is just a step away from Communism. Crazed conspiracy-minded groups will doubtless grow rich taking money from our resident dumb@!## by raising the alarm to the (imaginary) concern that we're "only a matter of time" from being Liberal. They'll ask for his $25.00 and try again next year with a whole new barrage of ads "proving" that Jews are this much closer to running the world.
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It was in response to that of the topic statment! Listen you made some statements in a post before and I responded to them! I'm far from being a troll dude! Anybody is a troll that doesn't agree with you!
I guess not believing in Evolution makes me a troll, interesting! |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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Starman
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Posted - 12/13/2004 : 03:33:14 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
I can't call you a monkies uncle!
You hereby have my personal permission to call me that.
(My nephews and nieces can be quite a handful sometimes...)
[We need a monkey smiley.]
"Of course like every other man of intelligence and education I do believe in organic evolution. It surprises me that at this late date such questions should be raised."
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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Posted - 12/14/2004 : 14:27:23 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
It was in response to that of the topic statment! Listen you made some statements in a post before and I responded to them! I'm far from being a troll dude! Anybody is a troll that doesn't agree with you!
I guess not believing in Evolution makes me a troll, interesting!
Help-- topic statement? I might have missed it.
But anyhow, as we've discussed a hundred times, a troll is not "anybody . . . that doesn't agree with [me]." It's a person who generates interest in a thread by posting topics designed to irk/raise the ire of the forum. It's easy to do-- you should know. Go to a Christian forum and start a thread like "1,000 reasons why Jesus didn't come back from the dead" or something, and then fill your post with non-sensical rants unrelated to the topic's heading. Then, watch the sparks fly as Christians come out of the woodwork to defend their Jesus.
Or, go to a skeptics forum. Post how Masons secretly rule the world. Include in your post lunatic websites with contradictory or flimsy arguments.
Velrch, your stance on evolution doesn't make you a troll. It might make you uninformed, but not a troll. Your endless posts arguing for positions that have been shown false time and again makes you a troll. Your unwillingness to address legitimate questions about your arguments makes you a troll. Your continued inability to put together a cogent and valid argument makes you a troll. (Edited to add: your signature, which is longer than most of your posts, makes you a troll.) But evolution, velrch, does not make you a troll. |
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verlch
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Well than change your website to say this is a form about evoltuion and evolution only, sorry ID dudes but catch you later.
You wouldn't have the traffic to the site and Dave Wuah couldn't make any cash selling things. So just chill out man, I don't dislike you, lets be civil and disagree! |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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Posted - 12/16/2004 : 23:05:04 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
Well than change your website to say this is a form about evoltuion and evolution only, sorry ID dudes but catch you later.
How does this address anything that Cuneiformist pointed out and/or asked you?
Here's our mission statement:The mission of the Skeptic Friends Network is to promote skepticism, critical thinking, science and logic as the best methods for evaluating all claims of fact, and we invite active participation by our members to create a skeptical community with a wide variety of viewpoints and expertise. The discussion of topics related to evolution, creationism, and ID fall under that umbrella.quote:
You wouldn't have the traffic to the site and Dave Wuah couldn't make any cash selling things. So just chill out man, I don't dislike you, lets be civil and disagree!
Being "civil" includes making sure that you've got your facts straight when speaking about other people here. There is no "Dave Wuah" on the SFN (there are only three members here whose names start with "Dave"), and "Dave Wuah" certainly doesn't make any money from this web site. Since you're being nasty towards "Dave Wuah," I suppose civility doesn't extend to imaginary people, huh? |
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Evidently, I rock!
Why not question something for a change?
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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Posted - 12/16/2004 : 23:56:19 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
Well than change your website to say this is a form about evoltuion and evolution only, sorry ID dudes but catch you later.
You wouldn't have the traffic to the site and Dave Wuah couldn't make any cash selling things. So just chill out man, I don't dislike you, lets be civil and disagree!
How is it that you're so dense? No, really. Your original post had nothing to do with either evolution or ID. So why bitch that you have no forum here to talk about it?!? Here's your introductory sentence to this thread:
Is this the end of the world as we know it. EU's policies on the way to the great free speech, err eroding free speech America!
What in your god's name does this have to do with evoltution? Did I post someting about evolution? No. Instead, you post loads of BS that a fucking child can detect and then, when called on it, you go crying like a little tiny girl about being told what not to talk about. How about getting a fucking brain so that you can see what your actual discussion is about?!?
Amazing. Either post your moronic posts, or go away. But don't bitch that SFN is out to stop you, because we aren't; we've been letting you get away with your crap for months, and it doesn't appear that that's going to stop. So quit being a girl. The Bible tells you so, verlch. |
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verlch
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Posted - 12/17/2004 : 11:52:42 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Cuneiformist
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Originally posted by verlch
Well than change your website to say this is a form about evoltuion and evolution only, sorry ID dudes but catch you later.
You wouldn't have the traffic to the site and Dave Wuah couldn't make any cash selling things. So just chill out man, I don't dislike you, lets be civil and disagree!
How is it that you're so dense? No, really. Your original post had nothing to do with either evolution or ID. So why bitch that you have no forum here to talk about it?!? Here's your introductory sentence to this thread:
Is this the end of the world as we know it. EU's policies on the way to the great free speech, err eroding free speech America!
What in your god's name does this have to do with evoltution? Did I post someting about evolution? No. Instead, you post loads of BS that a fucking child can detect and then, when called on it, you go crying like a little tiny girl about being told what not to talk about. How about getting a fucking brain so that you can see what your actual discussion is about?!?
Amazing. Either post your moronic posts, or go away. But don't bitch that SFN is out to stop you, because we aren't; we've been letting you get away with your crap for months, and it doesn't appear that that's going to stop. So quit being a girl. The Bible tells you so, verlch.
Why do I have to bust out a read between the lines microscope for you fellas? I wasn't complaining about anything. I was saying in the politics thread that there are people in Europe that are being put in jail for not agreeing with Creation out load. They expressed that Christianity is not for them. Likewise a ID man could not openly express any vocal disagreement with the evolutionist.
Here's between the lines, so I believe that whatever happens in Europe is soon to happen here! I'm dead serious! I don't understand why you and your brain can't figure that out?
This will soon be American law that I cannot make fun of your beliefs and you can't make fun or express any distain for my beliefs. So there Mr. Not reading between the lines guy. |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 12/17/2004 : 12:46:22 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
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Originally posted by Cuneiformist
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Originally posted by verlch
Well than change your website to say this is a form about evoltuion and evolution only, sorry ID dudes but catch you later.
You wouldn't have the traffic to the site and Dave Wuah couldn't make any cash selling things. So just chill out man, I don't dislike you, lets be civil and disagree!
How is it that you're so dense? No, really. Your original post had nothing to do with either evolution or ID. So why bitch that you have no forum here to talk about it?!? Here's your introductory sentence to this thread:
Is this the end of the world as we know it. EU's policies on the way to the great free speech, err eroding free speech America!
What in your god's name does this have to do with evoltution? Did I post someting about evolution? No. Instead, you post loads of BS that a fucking child can detect and then, when called on it, you go crying like a little tiny girl about being told what not to talk about. How about getting a fucking brain so that you can see what your actual discussion is about?!?
Amazing. Either post your moronic posts, or go away. But don't bitch that SFN is out to stop you, because we aren't; we've been letting you get away with your crap for months, and it doesn't appear that that's going to stop. So quit being a girl. The Bible tells you so, verlch.
Why do I have to bust out a read between the lines microscope for you fellas? I wasn't complaining about anything. I was saying in the politics thread that there are people in Europe that are being put in jail for not agreeing with Creation out load. They expressed that Christianity is not for them. Likewise a ID man could not openly express any vocal disagreement with the evolutionist.
Here's between the lines, so I believe that whatever happens in Europe is soon to happen here! I'm dead serious! I don't understand why you and your brain can't figure that out?
This will soon be American law that I cannot make fun of your beliefs and you can't make fun or express any distain for my beliefs. So there Mr. Not reading between the lines guy.
V, you are right, after a fashion.
However, I think that a Christian religious dogma might possibly become law of the land -- the official, state religion as it is in some places. Spain, for example. The religious right is striving mightly to make that so.
Have you read the blathers of Jerry Falwell? Have you noticed the efforts of the ID diiots to get their less-than-scientific nonsense into the public classrooms?
If these people have their way, and the current administration seems to be with them, the day just might be coming when a muslim, hindi, wicca, agnostic or atheist will not be able to participate in American discourse. And we will fall way behind the rest of the world in science and education.We will untimatly become a large, third-world country.
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