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latinijral
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 Posted - 01/28/2005 : 15:15:07 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by tomk80
I do not think democracy is a very good system. Unfortunately, I don't have a better one handy, so we'll have to stick with what works the best and democracy seems to fit the bill.
Now, did you have anything intelligent to add to the discussion?
The day you can explain why you think democracy is not a very good system but still believe is the best you can have .......you will be adding something intelligent to the discussion.
Until then , keep on working.
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Ricky
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R.Wreck
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Posted - 01/29/2005 : 08:43:03 [Permalink]
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Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.
Sir Winston Churchill
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The foundation of morality is to . . . give up pretending to believe that for which there is no evidence, and repeating unintelligible propositions about things beyond the possibliities of knowledge.
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The Cattle Prod of Enlightened Compassion
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latinijral
Banned
197 Posts |
Posted - 01/29/2005 : 17:02:03 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Ricky
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Originally posted by latinijral
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Originally posted by tomk80
I do not think democracy is a very good system. Unfortunately, I don't have a better one handy, so we'll have to stick with what works the best and democracy seems to fit the bill.
Now, did you have anything intelligent to add to the discussion?
The day you can explain why you think democracy is not a very good system but still believe is the best you can have .......you will be adding something intelligent to the discussion.
Until then , keep on working.
Name one better.
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Originally posted by Ricky
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Originally posted by latinijral
[quote]Originally posted by tomk80
I do not think democracy is a very good system. Unfortunately, I don't have a better one handy, so we'll have to stick with what works the best and democracy seems to fit the bill.
Now, did you have anything intelligent to add to the discussion?
The day you can explain why you think democracy is not a very good system but still believe is the best you can have .......you will be adding something intelligent to the discussion.
Until then , keep on working.
You as my son of the new skpeticism must learn this:
" You made the claim, then you must provide the evidence that democracy is the best".
Keep on learning my son or join Lisa´s depressed and liars fans club.
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
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Posted - 01/29/2005 : 18:41:57 [Permalink]
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latinijral, you are starting to sound like a broken old vinyl record running the same groove over and over again.
Get over it already!
Your constant pissing on Randy and Lisa et al. is getting incredibly boring.
Nothing you write here at Skeptic Friends Network will actually change anything, but making more people pissed off at you. Please write something more constructive, or please hold your peace/piece. |
Dr. Mabuse - "When the going gets tough, the tough get Duct-tape..."
Dr. Mabuse whisper.mp3
"Equivocation is not just a job, for a creationist it's a way of life..." Dr. Mabuse
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 01/29/2005 : 19:14:15 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
latinijral, you are starting to sound like a broken old vinyl record running the same groove over and over again.
Get over it already!
Your constant pissing on Randy and Lisa et al. is getting incredibly boring.
Nothing you write here at Skeptic Friends Network will actually change anything, but making more people pissed off at you. Please write something more constructive, or please hold your peace/piece.
Relax Doc. This guy is a clown; one of those who doesn't know what the hell he's talking about, but says it anyway.
He amused me for a while, but as he's become so redundant, he's now boring. Let him sputter, it signifies nothing; as empty a Republican promise.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
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Ricky
SFN Die Hard
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
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Posted - 01/30/2005 : 13:10:35 [Permalink]
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Thanks guys for trying to calm me down. Other than a few statements of facts, I made one imperative and two suggestions.
Appliance to the imperative alone would transform latinijral from a whining kid into a person with the ability to contribute meaningful substance to SFN.
I suppose hope springs eternal... (is that proverb quoted right?) |
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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Posted - 01/30/2005 : 13:14:44 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
I suppose hope springs eternal... (is that proverb quoted right?)
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Siberia
SFN Addict
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Posted - 01/30/2005 : 13:40:56 [Permalink]
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"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
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"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
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R.Wreck
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Posted - 01/30/2005 : 14:00:38 [Permalink]
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Siberia wrote:
Aye. I'm still wondering what the 'new skepticism' is.
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The foundation of morality is to . . . give up pretending to believe that for which there is no evidence, and repeating unintelligible propositions about things beyond the possibliities of knowledge.
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The Cattle Prod of Enlightened Compassion
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 01/30/2005 : 15:28:46 [Permalink]
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" You made the claim, then you must provide the evidence that democracy is the best
The evidence speaks for itself in this case. What nations are the wealthiest in the world, especially when you consider the average wealth of every citizen?
The countries you can name to the top 25 spots on that list are democracies.
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Aye. I'm still wondering what the 'new skepticism' is.
latinijral is apparently incapable of answering this question. I have asked him many times what the "new skepticism" is and what qualifies him to be it's father. Apparently he's a victim of some congenital dysfunction or has suffered a head trauma that has impaired his ability to respond to question about his own claims.
It's really funny him calling Ricky to task over the same thing he's doing himself, not supporting a claim.
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-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
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Isaiah
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 01/30/2005 : 17:12:57 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
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" You made the claim, then you must provide the evidence that democracy is the best
The evidence speaks for itself in this case. What nations are the wealthiest in the world, especially when you consider the average wealth of every citizen?
The countries you can name to the top 25 spots on that list are democracies.
Just to note them:
Ranking is based on 1997 data, GNP per capita. Government type is from the CIA World Factbook. Suffrage (which is probably what "democracy" means in this context since democracy is only mentioned for six of the countries' government types) is also from the CIA World Factbook.
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/
GOVERNMENT TYPE
1 Luxembourg
constitutional monarchy
2 Switzerland
federal republic
3 Japan
constitutional monarchy with a parliamentary government
4 Norway
constitutional monarchy
5 Denmark
constitutional monarchy
6 Germany
federal republic
7 United States
Constitution-based federal republic; strong democratic tradition
8 Austria
federal republic
9 Singapore
parliamentary republic
10 France
republic
11 Iceland
constitutional republic
12 Belgium
federal parliamentary democracy under a constitutional monarch
13 Netherlands
constitutional monarchy
14 Sweden
constitutional monarchy
15 Finland
republic
16 Canada
confederation with parliamentary democracy
17 Italy
republic
18 Australia
democratic, federal-state system recognizing the British monarch as sovereign
19 United Kingdom
constitutional monarchy
20 United Arab Emirates
federation with specified powers delegated to the UAE federal government and other powers reserved to member emirates
21 Kuwait
nominal constitutional monarchy; note: only 10% of all citizens are eligible to vote
22 Israel
parliamentary democracy
23 Ireland
republic
24 New Zealand
parliamentary democracy
25 Spain
parliamentary monarchy
SUFFRAGE
1 Luxembourg 18 years of age; universal and compulsory
2 Switzerland 18 years of age; universal
3 Japan 20 years of age; universal
4 Norway 18 years of age; universal
5 Denmark 18 years of age; universal
6 Germany 18 years of age; universal
7 United States 18 years of age; universal
8 Austria 18 years of age; universal; compulsory for presidential elections
9 Singapore 21 years of age; universal and compulsory
10 France 18 years of age; universal
11 Iceland 18 years of age; universal
12 Belgium 18 years of age; universal and compulsory
13 Netherlands 18 years of age; universal
14 Sweden 18 years of age; universal
15 Finland 18 years of age; universal
16 Canada 18 years of age; universal
17 Italy 18 years of age; universal (except in senatorial elections, where minimum age is 25)
18 Australia 18 years of age; universal and compulsory
19 United Kingdom 18 years of age; universal
20 United Arab Emirates none
21 Kuwait adult males who have been naturalized for 30 years or more or have resided in Kuwait since before 1920 and their male descendants at age 21
22 Israel 18 years of age; universal
23 Ireland 18 years of age; universal
24 New Zealand
18 years of age; universal
25 Spain
18 years of age; universal |
For Real Things I Know - http://solomonj.blogspot.com
"My point is, that you cannot use lack of evidence for one possibility as proof for another." - Dude
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Lisa
SFN Regular
USA
1223 Posts |
Posted - 01/31/2005 : 05:51:34 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by latinijral
Explain why "skeptics" believe in democracy and polls.
Jerks ., poor jerks.
I hate to say this, but on the subject of polls, I agree with Latin. They can be slanted so many ways. For one: the wording of the question can be confusing. Two: please explain "random". If I poll people who hang out around the headquarters of the KKK and the students at Berkley, I'm sure the results of any given poll would be different. (caveat: these are extreme examples, and I'm certain no reputable pollster would resort to this.)
Now that I'm out of that lawsuit:
Democracy In General.
No it isn't perfect, or we wouldn't have had Hoover. That's why we keep electing, and Hoover got un-elected as soon as voters could get to the polls.
We don't elect a president-for-life. Early in this country, there was talk of making Washington the King. (new colonies) Even he realized his grandkids might be morons and vetoed the idea.
We have our little system of checks and balances. It might not be perfect. There are humans involved, so there will always be egos, corruption, backbiting, and all sorts of fun stuff.
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Starman
SFN Regular
Sweden
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Posted - 01/31/2005 : 06:59:25 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Lisa
To add another wrench into things: we aren't a democracy. We're a Representative Republic.
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