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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
USA
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 Posted - 06/16/2005 : 19:12:32 [Permalink]
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I think wind power is the way we need to go. Just plant solar panel-covered windmills across the midwest and then convert the energy they produce into hydrogen. The American midwest is the Saudi Arabia of wind power. It would require a hell of an infrastructure investment, but I think it could work. That along with greater efficiency in our homes, vehicles, and devices.
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
9688 Posts |
Posted - 06/16/2005 : 21:40:01 [Permalink]
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I think Ethanol is the best alternative to fossile fuel for vehicles. Not much conversion has to be made to the current engine designs: no investment for the motor companies.
And a new sector of agriculture for the production of it. |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 06/16/2005 : 22:19:24 [Permalink]
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Ethanol is still a hydrocarbon fuel.
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
9688 Posts |
Posted - 06/16/2005 : 23:25:48 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Dude
Ethanol is still a hydrocarbon fuel.
Yes, it's hydrocarbon, but the carbon in ethanol comes from living plantlife, which means it will not give any net addition of CO2 to the atmosphere. |
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
USA
4574 Posts |
Posted - 06/16/2005 : 23:39:27 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
I think Ethanol is the best alternative to fossile fuel for vehicles. Not much conversion has to be made to the current engine designs: no investment for the motor companies.
And a new sector of agriculture for the production of it.
I thought the ethanol run in vehicles had to be blended with gasoline? |
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Siberia
SFN Addict
Brazil
2322 Posts |
Posted - 06/17/2005 : 07:23:17 [Permalink]
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| [url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4581955.stm]Consider it done.[/url] |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 06/17/2005 : 20:08:48 [Permalink]
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Yes, it's hydrocarbon, but the carbon in ethanol comes from living plantlife, which means it will not give any net addition of CO2 to the atmosphere.
The adverse effects of hydrocarbon combustion are not limited to CO2 release.
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Siberia
SFN Addict
Brazil
2322 Posts |
Posted - 06/18/2005 : 08:03:09 [Permalink]
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| Alcohol is on the works again. It's cheaper, and it's less aggressive than petrol. However, we're also working on other kinds of biodiesel, and there has been some consideration for electricity, wind and light. |
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Tim
SFN Regular
USA
775 Posts |
Posted - 06/18/2005 : 08:56:02 [Permalink]
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There's no easy solution. Reducing hydrocarbon emissions is going to require a worldwide investment in many different alternate energy sources and clean technologies. Unfortunately, the government of the U.S., the largest consumer of the world's energy seems more intent on securing future oil production than finding common sense ways of using energy more efficiently. Plus, the two largest nations in the world are following in this administration's footprints. The politicians of both India and China know that the world's production of fossil fuels is at or near peak and their demands are growing rapidly. In my opinion, present political policies and furure demands point toward future environmental and economic catastrophy.
I can't help but think how different the world would be if the Bush administration had invested the funds spent trying to secure Middleeastern and Asian oil production and pursuing foriegn wars into the pursuit of a national infrastruction utilizing more efficient and alternative energy souces. |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
9688 Posts |
Posted - 06/18/2005 : 16:03:35 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Dude
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Yes, it's hydrocarbon, but the carbon in ethanol comes from living plantlife, which means it will not give any net addition of CO2 to the atmosphere.
The adverse effects of hydrocarbon combustion are not limited to CO2 release.
That's true, and there will be some increase in nitrous oxides due to higher combustion temperature. But there are remedies for that.
Right now, the greatest concern is reducing the net increase of CO2.
And H. Humbert, it has to be blended with some petrol in order to run in the average petrol-converted-to-alcohol car. Still, the fuel E85 which we have in Sweden is 85% Ethanol and 15% petrol. That's a 85% reduction of petrol consumption.
This is a short term sollution, but it's one that works today!
It buys us time to find better sollutions.
The ideal could be a pure ethanol (or methanol) powered fuel-cell powering electrical motors. Electric motors are the only real competitor in terms of flexibility that can match the Otto Internal Combustion Engine. |
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Siberia
SFN Addict
Brazil
2322 Posts |
Posted - 06/19/2005 : 06:48:23 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
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Originally posted by Dude
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Yes, it's hydrocarbon, but the carbon in ethanol comes from living plantlife, which means it will not give any net addition of CO2 to the atmosphere.
The adverse effects of hydrocarbon combustion are not limited to CO2 release.
That's true, and there will be some increase in nitrous oxides due to higher combustion temperature. But there are remedies for that.
Right now, the greatest concern is reducing the net increase of CO2.
And H. Humbert, it has to be blended with some petrol in order to run in the average petrol-converted-to-alcohol car. Still, the fuel E85 which we have in Sweden is 85% Ethanol and 15% petrol. That's a 85% reduction of petrol consumption.
This is a short term sollution, but it's one that works today!
It buys us time to find better sollutions.
The ideal could be a pure ethanol (or methanol) powered fuel-cell powering electrical motors. Electric motors are the only real competitor in terms of flexibility that can match the Otto Internal Combustion Engine.
I saw that Honda tested an electric automobile recently at a Japanese technology fair... my memory is foggy, but the thing looked really neat. |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
9688 Posts |
Posted - 06/19/2005 : 13:14:54 [Permalink]
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The question is: how many are prepared to sacrifice a portion of their exclusive lifestyle?
The price of petrol in Sweden is 11,50 kr/litre, that translates to $5,70 per US gallon. It's hurting my wallet every time I have to fill up my car. And there are cars that get twice the milage (but aren't half as fun or comfotable driving).
I'm seriously considering converting my car: it's easier on both the environment and my wallet. |
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Tim
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 07/02/2005 : 00:57:12 [Permalink]
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The question is: how many are prepared to sacrifice a portion of their exclusive lifestyle?
Man, we are sacrificing over here in the US. We're sacrificing the future of our kids. |
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pleco
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 07/02/2005 : 06:00:23 [Permalink]
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| Off topic - Tim your signature is quite high-larious! |
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
USA
4574 Posts |
Posted - 07/06/2005 : 20:25:02 [Permalink]
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The solution to Global Warming might be at hand. World Jump Day promises to be it. July 20th, 2006 to be exact, when (hopefully) millions of people jump simultaneously and propel our planet into a new orbit.
"Scientific research has proven that this change of planetary positioning would very likely stop global warming, extend daytime hours and create a more homogenous climate."
Sounds like solid research. So who's jumping with me?
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