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Fripp
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Originally posted by furshur
I agree with you Filthy, the Harrier is a pretty dangerous plane - I guess that is why only the marines (as far as I know) regularly fly the thing.
I was stationed aboard a Naval Amphib ship as part of an ARG (Amphibious Readiness Group). During routine ops, a Harrier up and flipped over in the Indian Ocean. The Group spent 24 hours reconning the area, looking for any wreckage. Never found any. I learned that this "flip" is a not-uncommon problem with Harriers.
And Big Brain, you've become real boring. Coincidentally, I think that you are one of the biggest idiots I've ever run across.
Will you EVER answer the question about if there are satellites in orbit? Your continued avoidance proves that you are a fraud, a liar, and a friggin' moron. And yes, that was a completely ad hominem attack. |
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furshur
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Posted - 10/14/2005 : 11:33:46 [Permalink]
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Will you EVER answer the question about if there are satellites in orbit? Your continued avoidance proves that you are a fraud, a liar, and a friggin' moron.
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And yes, that was a completely ad hominem attack.
And yet it was completely accurate...
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breakballs
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Posted - 10/14/2005 : 11:42:37 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Fripp
I was stationed aboard a Naval Amphib ship as part of an ARG (Amphibious Readiness Group). During routine ops, a Harrier up and flipped over in the Indian Ocean. The Group spent 24 hours reconning the area, looking for any wreckage. Never found any. I learned that this "flip" is a not-uncommon problem with Harriers.
The best flipper is LM, the second one is Delta Clipper. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 10/14/2005 : 12:09:20 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by breakballs
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Originally posted by Fripp
I was stationed aboard a Naval Amphib ship as part of an ARG (Amphibious Readiness Group). During routine ops, a Harrier up and flipped over in the Indian Ocean. The Group spent 24 hours reconning the area, looking for any wreckage. Never found any. I learned that this "flip" is a not-uncommon problem with Harriers.
The best flipper is LM, the second one is Delta Clipper.
You are too modest, my friend; the best flipper is you. When are you going come up with anything but hand-waving, unsupported and even downright silly claims, and asinine statements?
Damn, my house 'possum holds up his end of a discussion better than you by never saying anything. Yeesh!
Huzzah! 14 pages! Soon we will have this nonsense locked and then can enjoy the delicious anticipation of waiting to see what bbbb comes up with next. I'm betting that it will be exactly the same as all of the rest of these tired and worn-out threads.
Any takers?
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Fripp
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Posted - 10/14/2005 : 12:10:01 [Permalink]
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| And you STILL avoid answering the question... |
"What the hell is an Aluminum Falcon?"
"Oh, I'm sorry. I thought my Dark Lord of the Sith could protect a small thermal exhaust port that's only 2-meters wide! That thing wasn't even fully paid off yet! You have any idea what this is going to do to my credit?!?!"
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sts60
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Posted - 10/14/2005 : 13:51:46 [Permalink]
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I learned that this "flip" is a not-uncommon problem with Harriers.
The Harrier is designed for all sorts of things which don't necessarily go well together - VTOL, high-speed flight, combat maneuverability and survivability, reliability and reusability - and it has to do them all in all sorts of nasty weather.
The LM, on the other hand, was designed for: reliability. And it had to do its job once, without contending with wind, salt water, birds, hostile fire, or pitching carrier decks. It was designed with the engines mounted as close to the CM as reasonable, the mass concentrations as far from the CM as reasonable, and the RCS thrusters as far out as reasonable. This means it was also inherently pretty stable with large moments of inertia, with off-axis thrust effects minimized for the main engine and maximized for the control thrusters, just the way you want it. Oh, and a nice, reliable, wide-footprint, heavy-shock-load landing gear.
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Subjectmatter
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 10/14/2005 : 14:37:32 [Permalink]
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Well, while we're on the topic of VTOL, and since the original idea of this thread isn't worth the air I excreted while reading it: I would love to hear what you guys think of the possibility of a helicopter/fixed-wing hybrid. I read an article in my childhood predicting how these vehicles would replace trains and buses to a large extent with a flying mass-transit/taxi service, by 2020 no less. It was inspiring, but is it feasible?
A quick google gave me this article on the subject http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/x-50.htm. It seems outdated and poorly spelled though...
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 10/14/2005 : 17:26:32 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Subjectmatter
Well, while we're on the topic of VTOL, and since the original idea of this thread isn't worth the air I excreted while reading it: I would love to hear what you guys think of the possibility of a helicopter/fixed-wing hybrid. I read an article in my childhood predicting how these vehicles would replace trains and buses to a large extent with a flying mass-transit/taxi service, by 2020 no less. It was inspiring, but is it feasible?
A quick google gave me this article on the subject http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/x-50.htm. It seems outdated and poorly spelled though...
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Well, there is one, of sorts.
the roter is not powered but acts as a sort of rotating wing, and it is powered with a pusher propeler. They've been around for a long tme, but have never been pratical for anything but recreation.
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Trish
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 10/14/2005 : 19:37:54 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Fripp
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Originally posted by furshur
I agree with you Filthy, the Harrier is a pretty dangerous plane - I guess that is why only the marines (as far as I know) regularly fly the thing.
I was stationed aboard a Naval Amphib ship as part of an ARG (Amphibious Readiness Group). During routine ops, a Harrier up and flipped over in the Indian Ocean. The Group spent 24 hours reconning the area, looking for any wreckage. Never found any. I learned that this "flip" is a not-uncommon problem with Harriers.
There's a reason we called the things Scarriers. On vertical take off if the engines or wing are slightly misaligned in power output or off center it can (read most likely will) cause the aircraft to flip. I've never seen one flip, but I was at Toro not Yuma where they're flown. I have however, seen one blown into the nose radome of one of my A-6's, not pretty. |
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Trish
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Posted - 10/14/2005 : 19:41:42 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Subjectmatter
Well, while we're on the topic of VTOL, and since the original idea of this thread isn't worth the air I excreted while reading it: I would love to hear what you guys think of the possibility of a helicopter/fixed-wing hybrid. I read an article in my childhood predicting how these vehicles would replace trains and buses to a large extent with a flying mass-transit/taxi service, by 2020 no less. It was inspiring, but is it feasible?
A quick google gave me this article on the subject http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/x-50.htm. It seems outdated and poorly spelled though...
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There is the Osprey. Though it's been grounded because the rotor ring that rotates the wing is inadequate for the design purposes. The wing itself apparently needs re-engineered. But then again, if they'd actually design the entire thing in the same engineering facility instead of piecemeal, it might have worked right the first time. |
...no one has ever found a 4.5 billion year old stone artifact (at the right geological stratum) with the words "Made by God."
No Sense of Obligation by Matt Young
"Say what you will about the sweet miracle of unquestioning faith. I consider the capacity for it terrifying and vile!"
Mother Night by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
They (Women Marines) don't have a nickname, and they don't need one. They get their basic training in a Marine atmosphere, at a Marine Post. They inherit the traditions of the Marines. They are Marines.
LtGen Thomas Holcomb, USMC
Commandant of the Marine Corps, 1943
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breakballs
Sockpuppet
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Posted - 10/15/2005 : 06:32:16 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by sts60
I learned that this "flip" is a not-uncommon problem with Harriers.
The Harrier is designed for all sorts of things which don't necessarily go well together - VTOL, high-speed flight, combat maneuverability and survivability, reliability and reusability - and it has to do them all in all sorts of nasty weather.
The LM, on the other hand, was designed for: reliability. And it had to do its job once, without contending with wind, salt water, birds, hostile fire, or pitching carrier decks. It was designed with the engines mounted as close to the CM as reasonable, the mass concentrations as far from the CM as reasonable, and the RCS thrusters as far out as reasonable. This means it was also inherently pretty stable with large moments of inertia, with off-axis thrust effects minimized for the main engine and maximized for the control thrusters, just the way you want it. Oh, and a nice, reliable, wide-footprint, heavy-shock-load landing gear.
I have to believe the LM was much easier to fly than the Harrier is.
You don't understand anything about gravity forces of aircrafts.
http://www.hobby-lobby.com/piccolo-accessories.htm
Scroll down to Training landing gear for Piccolo.
Helicopters are easier to fly if the forces of gravity are distant from CG.
About LM, forces of gravity are too close to CG and for this reason it's uncontrollable.
If you weld a larger training landing gear on your coke can, you will be able to balance it on your finger tip. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 10/15/2005 : 07:39:30 [Permalink]
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If you weld a larger training landing gear on your coke can, you will be able to balance it on your finger tip.
And if you shove that Coke up your nose and shake your head, you'll be able to blow sticky, brown foam out through your ears.
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R.Wreck
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Posted - 10/15/2005 : 09:39:01 [Permalink]
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Satellite's gone
Up to the skies
Thing like that drive me
Out of my mind
I watched it for a little while
I like to watch things on tv
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Whadaya think, quad-b?
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
Posted - 10/15/2005 : 11:24:31 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by R.Wreck
Satellite's gone
Up to the skies
Thing like that drive me
Out of my mind
I watched it for a little while
I like to watch things on tv
-Lou Reed, Satellite of Love
Whadaya think, quad-b?
Excellent! Here's one on problem solving and how simple it can be -- take note, bbbb:
"A flea and a fly in a flue
Were imprisoned, so what could they do?
Said the fly: `Let us flee'
Said the flea: `Let us fly!'
So they flew through a flaw in the flue." -- Author unknown
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 10/15/2005 : 12:32:30 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by breakballs
You don't understand anything about gravity forces of aircrafts.
http://www.hobby-lobby.com/piccolo-accessories.htm
Scroll down to Training landing gear for Piccolo.
Helicopters are easier to fly if the forces of gravity are distant from CG.
About LM, forces of gravity are too close to CG and for this reason it's uncontrollable.
If you weld a larger training landing gear on your coke can, you will be able to balance it on your finger tip.
You refuse to understand that there are some major differences in the physics between the lunar module landing on the moon and any aircraft on earth. When you have correctly identified to us the two greatest ones, perhaps we can still find some common ground.
By the way, now I understand what kind of helicopter you fly. With your level of knowledge about physics, you would never had gotten a real flight certificate. Not without a very handsome bribe. |
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